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[QUOTE=Jacks3][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related[/url]
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T-mac.:pimp:
Basketball traveling rules: [URL="http://vimeo.com/395653"]http://vimeo.com/395653[/URL]
Starting at 5:45 you have two detailed plays where the players established their pivot foot, then jumped off the other one to release a shot. Both shots are considered legal.
[img]http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg[/img]
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/11062707085249475.gif[/img] [img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070917308011.gif[/img]
Assuming the rules regarding the pivot foot are the same between the NBA and FIBA, Kobe's play is totally legal.
[img]http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif[/img]
[quote=Scoooter]He makes a jumpstop, pivots, and then lays it in. It's not even close to a travel. That wouldn't be called in any league.[/quote]
He takes a two step jump stop then takes another step. So you are wrong in that it would be called in any league bar the NBA. You cannot step through after 1.5 or 2 steps.
[QUOTE=Phong]Basketball traveling rules: [URL="http://vimeo.com/395653"]http://vimeo.com/395653[/URL]
Starting at 5:45 you have two detailed plays where the players established their pivot foot, then jumped off the other one to release a shot. Both shots are considered legal.
[img]http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070832767311.jpg[/img]
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/11062707085249475.gif[/img] [img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/27/110627070917308011.gif[/img]
Assuming the rules regarding the pivot foot are the same between the NBA and FIBA, Kobe's play is totally legal.
[url]http://nsa24.casimages.com/img/2010/10/20/101020073017274536.gif[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was trying to tell these bums about the rules. smh
[quote=Scoooter]You're allowed to lift your pivot foot. You just can't put it back down before getting rid of the ball. Very few traveling violations in this thread.[/quote]
:oldlol: You cant lift your pivot foot then take another step though.
As I already said, talking travels in the NBA is a worthless exercise. Stern told the Refs in the late 80's to allow them to make the game more entertaining.
[IMG]http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2726214/erge-o.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]Yeah, I was trying to tell these bums about the rules. smh[/QUOTE]Can't wait to see the responses of all those who were so adamant about their "superior" knowledge of the rules and kept talking about jumping off two feet, switching pivot foot and whatnot. :cheers:
[QUOTE=G-train][B]He takes a two step jump stop then takes another step.[/B] So you are wrong in that it would be called in any league bar the NBA. You cannot step through after 1.5 or 2 steps.[/QUOTE]
I don't see that at all. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Phong]Can't wait to see the responses of all those who were so adamant about their "superior" knowledge of the rules and kept talking about jumping off two feet, switching pivot foot and whatnot. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
1. They will say it is just a FIBA interpretation
or
2. They won't respond.
They are wrong though. Good looks on finding the video.
:cheers:
[QUOTE=G-train]:oldlol: You cant lift your pivot foot then take another step though.[/quote]
:roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Fatal9]this was expected...but i still laughed.[/QUOTE]
ditto
traveling is like bad grammar, people with good grammar immediately know it when they see it. Gif on the left above is a travel. partially why the shot didnt have a chance. He was like what is this as he's shooting, only lebron can travel so blatantly and not totally lose his concentration
[quote=Scoooter]:roll: :roll:[/quote]
So you think you can pivot on your left foot then take a step with your right while lifting your pivot and shoot?
[quote=Scoooter]I don't see that at all. :confusedshrug:[/quote]
Watch the gif then. He doesnt land simultaneously on his 2 feet, he picks up his dribble and takes 2 steps, or a jump stop with feet not landing at the same time. Then he takes another step through the defence.
[QUOTE=G-train]So you think you can pivot on your left foot then take a step with your right while lifting your pivot and shoot?[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol
[quote=Scoooter]:lol :lol[/quote]
:rolleyes: :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=G-train]Watch the gif then. He doesnt land simultaneously on his 2 feet, he picks up his dribble and takes 2 steps, or a jump stop with feet not landing at the same time. Then he takes another step through the defence.[/QUOTE]
Jumpstops can be ambiguous because of how players integrate the gathering of the ball. I maintain that Hakeem's move was legal (and sweet).
[QUOTE=G-train]:rolleyes: :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol:
Jump stops are not ambiguous. You simply must land both feet at the same time.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall][IMG]http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2726214/erge-o.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
didn't even lose the defender. this is great footwork? just aimlessly pivoting?
lol @ Kobe's move being proven legal while half of MJ's moves ITT are blatant travels. apparently planting your pivot foot didn't apply to him. they already let him shuffle a LOT before he'd make his dribble move (see first gif) but I didn't realize how much he moved his pivot feet till now. Was looking through the highlights of his Nets game in '98 because I remembered some great moves in it, but all I ended up with was travels:
[IMG]http://oi56.tinypic.com/o7j23t.jpg[/IMG] (MJ might as well patent this travel, and this is one of the less obvious cases)
[IMG]http://oi54.tinypic.com/281dduc.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/jfytl0.jpg[/IMG] (more obvious on baseline angle)
Kobe seems to keep it much tighter and travels a lot less.
Fatal9, didn't you swear to leave the forum forever if the Lakers lost to Dallas? What happened to that? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Fatal9, didn't you swear to leave the forum forever if the Lakers lost to Dallas? What happened to that? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I can't find that thread brah? lol @ you getting mad because of MJ's sloppy footwork.
here, watch a true footwork master at work:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I[/url]
Most stars travel, thats the NBA. Entertainment. And I'm cool with it cos its entertaining and consistent. If you take 4 or 5 steps you get called most of the time. 3 steps? rarely.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]I can't find that thread brah? lol @ you getting mad because of MJ's sloppy footwork.
here, watch a true footwork master at work:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpzQiERt8I[/url][/QUOTE]
lmao @ "sloppy footwork" because of a few slowed down gifs, one of which isn't even a travel (the spin).
Double lmao @ your feigned ignorance regarding your vow to leave the forum if LA lost, which many people saw. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lmao @ "sloppy footwork" because of a few slowed down gifs, one of which isn't even a travel (the spin).[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about how much he used to shuffle his feet before putting the ball on the floor (usually coupled with a head/ball fake or jab step), not the spin.
I can see what Phil meant when he said Kobe is more skilled.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]I'm talking about how much he used to shuffle his feet before putting the ball on the floor (usually coupled with a head/ball fake or jab step), not the spin.
I can see what Phil meant when he said Kobe is more skilled.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Jacks3]No you're thinking of the game in 03-04. That game happened in 02-03. It's on YT. Mac destroys Bryant and Kobe immediately demands the ball, brings up court, blows by Mac and dunks on the entire Magic team. Shit was badass. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Didn't mac win this game with a far less talented team.. ?
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Jordan stans delusional. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]It's a really close call. Refs let that one slide sometimes. And Kobe pulls it off in a convincing way without shuffling his feet like say LeBron that makes it look legit.[/QUOTE]
So I was correct on that move being funky.. I thought it was a travel as well but didn't know the exact rule.. Either way I wouldn't call it.. The league allows guys to take four steps on some plays.. :D
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]So I was correct on that move being funky.. I thought it was a travel as well but didn't know the exact rule.. Either way I wouldn't call it.. The league allows guys to take four steps on some plays.. :D[/QUOTE]
No, cause you're allowed to leave your feet if going up for a shot.
I maintain it's not a travel.
Especially some of these moves in real time. Sure there is slight movements on a lot of these players feet, especially in SLOW motion.
But nothing concrete enough in real time for it to be noticeable ... thus not being a real travel.
It's not as blatant and glaring as people with terrible foot work, such as LeBron James, where you can clearly point it out in real time, etc.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]No, cause you're allowed to leave your feet if going up for a shot.
I maintain it's not a travel.
Especially some of these moves in real time. Sure there is slight movements on a lot of these players feet, especially in SLOW motion.
But nothing concrete enough in real time for it to be noticeable ... thus not being a real travel.
It's not as blatant and glaring as people with terrible foot work, such as LeBron James, where you can clearly point it out in real time, etc.[/QUOTE]
Can someone send this over to the NBA REF DEPT? IT would be cool to find out if it was a walk or not.. Not that I care it was a nice move..
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]Can someone send this over to the NBA REF DEPT? IT would be cool to find out if it was a walk or not.. Not that I care it was a nice move..[/QUOTE]
LOL ... not that serious. A lot of these moves can be subjective depending on how tight you wanna get on the rule book. I believe if it's not an OBNOXIOUS travel ... let these boys cook.
Kobe's footwork is just :bowdown:
Wow........
Kobe's footwork is just :eek: :eek: :eek:
My ankles would never talk to me again if I ever tried that shit.
Kobe was dong all that shit since he came into the league at 17 :bowdown: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Loco getting owned by Fatal again. :applause:
[QUOTE=Jacks3][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related[/url]
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I used to love the Kobe vs Tmac match-ups. It was far more exciting then Bron vs Kobe, Wade vs Bron, Kobe vs Wade, etc...
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i remember this, tmac was something back, [B]f[/B]ucking injuries :facepalm in the very next play kobe gets him back by making one of his best dunks of all time. great times to be a fan.
[QUOTE=Jacks3][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-VOk3kSpI&feature=related[/url]
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Yea, good post. Brings back memories. Kobe traveled quite a few times in that game.
:(
[QUOTE=Disaprine]i remember this, tmac was something back then.[/QUOTE]
From 2000 - 2005 he was something else.
And even during that stretch he had so many issues with his back.