ESPN: Lakers looking to trade for BOTH CP3 & Dwight Howard

[QUOTE=Dengness9]the fact that so many people are taking this serious is truly embarrassing to me as an insane NBA obsessed fan.

There is no chance of this happening but yet idiots are gobbling up Chris Broussards BS like they always do.


As much as I love NBA rumors, I'm starting to get really sick and tired of this shit. Its not even funny reading how many Lakers fans on espn.com actually think this is happening.

Conceited is not even the word for some of these ppl.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, the math works out... especially if you start adding in a 3rd team. And it makes a fair bit of sense for all teams involved. It's very possible.

Plus... it's the Lakers.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I just don't see Kobe/CP3/Howard meshing together personality wise. I could Deron/Kobe/Howard but I think CP3 and Kobe will have issues.[/QUOTE]

I really don't think it would be an issue. CP3 seems like he'd fit in well anywhere, and Kobe would keep Dwight focused and on point.

Kobe has been willing to share. It was only after the fact Gasol was stinking it, that he had to take it iin his own hands. The guy always try to dump the ball in for Gasol. but Gasol always dumps it back out.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I just don't see Kobe/CP3/Howard meshing together personality wise. I could Deron/Kobe/Howard but I think CP3 and Kobe will have issues.[/QUOTE]

Kobe and CP3 will find a way. They have mad chemistry. Watch the allstar game. These two on the same court is rediculous and undefeated.

[QUOTE=amfirst]Kobe has been willing to share. It was only after the fact Gasol was stinking it, that he had to take it iin his own hands. The guy always try to dump the ball in for Gasol. but Gasol always dumps it back out.[/QUOTE]

I don't even think it matters. Paul and Howard are the type of players that are going to get theirs.

[QUOTE=niko]Kobe has a no trade clause. He'd never allow himself to be traded.[/QUOTE]

whos that in your avi?

[QUOTE=Lebron23]With Dwight Howard as the Batman of this team. Dwight was the superior player last season.[/QUOTE]

Kobe would still be the real leader of the team.

[QUOTE=guy]Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. [B] This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.[/[/B]QUOTE]

you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions

[quote=Thechosen1][quote=guy]Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. [B] This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.[/[/B]QUOTE]

you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions[/quote]

I agree.

CP3 I think is one of the top 3 PGs [I]in the world[/I] today.

If anyone thinks that Gasol for CP3 is an option for NO they are clowns.

[quote]you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions[/quote]

Even if he's not back to 100%, with an offseason's improvement he can still go into a second prime. The injury and knee brace forced him to play from the perimeter more and he learned a lot of new tricks to set up teammates without getting in the lane all the time. People don't realize that CP may have been the least athletic PG in the NBA for most of the season last year, but still played at an elite level. He got them to the playoffs just by QBing, without beating people off the dribble.

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]If anyone thinks that Gasol for CP3 is an option for NO they are clowns.[/QUOTE]
Bynum is who they want....

If anyone thinks Gasol for Howard is a possibility they are a bigger clown.

[QUOTE=All Net]Bynum is who they want....[/QUOTE]
Then who are you playing for the better Dwight Howard? Pau? It keeps Orlando a playoff team but Pau is not getting any younger... why would Orlando do that? plus LA doesn't have picks... do they?

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Then who are you playing for the better Dwight Howard? Pau? It keeps Orlando a playoff team but Pau is not getting any younger... why would Orlando do that?[/QUOTE]
Dwight is the main focus so Bynum wont be traded there but doesn't mean the hornets don't still want him.

[QUOTE=All Net]Dwight is the main focus so Bynum wont be traded there but doesn't mean the hornets don't still want him.[/QUOTE]
If LA gets Dwight... wouldnt CP3 play with Amare and Anthony? Who else would the Lakers have to REALISTICALLY trade for Paul?

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]If LA gets Dwight... wouldnt CP3 play with Amare and Anthony? Who else would the Lakers have to REALISTICALLY trade for Paul?[/QUOTE]

If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?
[LIST][*]Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks[*]Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers[/LIST]

I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWall]If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?
[LIST][*]Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks[*]Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers[/LIST][/QUOTE]

There are other factors.
1. He is friends with the duo in NY.
2. He is a ball dominant gaurd just like Kobe.. so.. it's something he will definitely think about.

Other than that it is pretty close.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWall]If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?
[LIST][*]Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks[*]Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers[/LIST]

I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.[/QUOTE]


Melo and Amare, since both are still in their 20s.

I can't believe that this made it to 18 pages. There is no way this happens. Orlando or NO would likely just let the players expire rather than take back Pau.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWall]If LA gets Dwight, which would be more appealing to CP3 signing an extension?
[LIST][*]Melo and Amar'e on the Knicks[*]Kobe and Dwight on the Lakers[/LIST]

I'd choose the Lakers in that scenario, as they'd give me the best chance to win a ring in the immediate future.[/QUOTE]

LOL.

CP3 can't sign with the Lakers. They are already 35M over the cap.

In fact, the only way either of them are going to LA is through a trade. And there is not enough assets to make those trades.

I know this thread is mostly Laker fans drooling on themselves at the thought, and I don't blame you, this is an impossibility.

First off, you overvaluate Bynum. By a factor of 10. Several years ago he was the most promising big behind Howard. But that was YEARS AGO. Now he is a chronically injured player who has injuries that just don't heal. Your knees don't get better as you age. You can replace ligaments, etc. But the chronic tendenitis and loss of cartilage can't be replaced. If he were a free agent do you think he would get 15M+? NO WAY. Yet you are asking for arguably the best player in the world for a bad contract masquerading as a young talent. There just isn't value there with his current deal.

These are rough approx for minutes played over the last 5 years:
LBJ: 16800
Bynum: 7200

The second problem is that the Hornets are owned by the NBA. Do you think there is any way after the last three months they allow one of the two best PGs in the league to go to LA for considerably lesser value? How about if the Lakers acquire Howard. Do you think Stern would trade CP3 to a team with Kobe and Howard?? I mean Gasol is a stud but how many years does he have left at an elite level? You could argue last year was a big step backwards for him and that he is already sliding.

Lastly, if the Lakers are able to land even one of these guys do you think their draft picks are worth anything? I mean ~1/3 to 1/2 the picks at very end of the 1st rd stay in the NBA through their first deal. There is no value there at all.

Got to be honest, I love Howard on the Lakers but not sure about Chris Paul. I think Deron Williams would be a better fit.

I don't like the idea of giving up Gasol either, just because if the Lakers were able to land Howard, he and Gasol's games would really compliment each other up front. Howard's inside presence along with Gasol's skill and ability to play anywhere on the court from inside 20 feet, along with his tremendous passing ability from the high or low post, would be awesome to watch. It wouldn't matter if Pau was soft with Howard inside for muscle.

[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]LOL.

CP3 can't sign with the Lakers. They are already 35M over the cap.

In fact, the only way either of them are going to LA is through a trade. And there is not enough assets to make those trades.

I know this thread is mostly Laker fans drooling on themselves at the thought, and I don't blame you, this is an impossibility.

First off, you overvaluate Bynum. By a factor of 10. Several years ago he was the most promising big behind Howard. But that was YEARS AGO. Now he is a chronically injured player who has injuries that just don't heal. Your knees don't get better as you age. You can replace ligaments, etc. But the chronic tendenitis and loss of cartilage can't be replaced. [B] If he were a free agent do you think he would get 15M+? NO WAY.[/B] Yet you are asking for arguably the best player in the world for a bad contract masquerading as a young talent. There just isn't value there with his current deal.

These are rough approx for minutes played over the last 5 years:
LBJ: 16800
Bynum: 7200

The second problem is that the Hornets are owned by the NBA. Do you think there is any way after the last three months they allow one of the two best PGs in the league to go to LA for considerably lesser value? How about if the Lakers acquire Howard. Do you think Stern would trade CP3 to a team with Kobe and Howard?? I mean Gasol is a stud but how many years does he have left at an elite level? You could argue last year was a big step backwards for him and that he is already sliding.

Lastly, if the Lakers are able to land even one of these guys do you think their draft picks are worth anything? I mean ~1/3 to 1/2 the picks at very end of the 1st rd stay in the NBA through their first deal. There is no value there at all.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I guarantee someone would sign Bynum for $15+ million as a free agent.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]I can't believe that this made it to 18 pages. There is no way this happens. Orlando or NO would likely just let the players expire rather than take back Pau.[/QUOTE]

they both want Bynum.

[QUOTE=YAWN]they both want Bynum.[/QUOTE]
What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.[/QUOTE]


For the love of all that is good in this world--

how many times does this have to be ran around in circles

Yes, obviously any team could put together a great deal but most if not all teams will pass if Dwight isnt willing to sign an extension there.

The Magic have to realize the teams that Dwight would extend with or maybe teams willing to rent him for a year. Then from those teams look at the best offer. As of now the list of teams dwight will reportedly extend with is quite small so therefore the lakers have the best to offer from that short list (allegedly)

This is the situation as it stands. read whats been written. Stop ignoring this.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]What's your point? Bynum is an injry prone overpaid stiff. There are dozens of teams that could make better offers.[/QUOTE]
Of the teams that Dwight Howard OR Chris Paul would sign an extension with, Bynum is as good of an offer that Orlando can realistically get.

Hornets and Magic giving the lakers a superstar guard and a superstar center?

I've seen that before...

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lol I don't think it's possible to land them both. But Howard is likely to get traded to us IMO. And that would be enough to fight for the title again.

Dwight why u copy Shaq



Chris trade would be impossible there would be nobody to offer if they get Dwight.


So what could Lakers dump to Orlando?

Bynum and Lamar for Dwight?

Honestly THE Clippers are going to get one of these guys and NY is getting the other.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Honestly THE Clippers are going to get one of these guys and NY is getting the other.[/QUOTE]

I think the Clippers have a good shot at Paul. Would fit in nicely there as well.

Don't see why Dwight would go to Knicks over Lakers though. Or why Orlando would send him there, what is their offer looking like?

[QUOTE=YAWN]I think the Clippers have a good shot at Paul. Would fit in nicely there as well.

Don't see why Dwight would go to Knicks over Lakers though. Or why Orlando would send him there, what is their offer looking like?[/QUOTE]

I think it would be Paul going to NYK personally, but that is just because he apparently wants to play with his boys. Dwight going to LAC would be unreal from a FC standpoint, and Orlando would be getting a C back.

As for NYK I have no idea what they are looking like, and it's 2am so I can't look into it atm. I would imagine something including Fields, Turiaf, Billups, picks (if they have any) and taking the contract of either Okafor or Ariza back.

Orlando aren't stupid they aren't keeping Dwight in the east. They will trade him out west.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]I think it would be Paul going to NYK personally, but that is just because he apparently wants to play with his boys. Dwight going to LAC would be unreal from a FC standpoint, and Orlando would be getting a C back.

As for NYK I have no idea what they are looking like, and it's 2am so I can't look into it atm. I would imagine something including Fields, Turiaf, Billups, picks (if they have any) and taking the contract of either Okafor or Ariza back.[/QUOTE]

Paul is going to go where he can sign extension no matter if its the warriors....

at the end of day for these professional its all about money

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Paul is going to go where he can sign extension no matter if its the warriors....

at the end of day for these professional its all about money[/QUOTE]

Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol

[QUOTE=christian1923]Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol[/QUOTE]

but not leaving more than 10mil on the table

[QUOTE=Thechosen1][QUOTE=guy]Well ESPN would actually consider him the 3rd best. But I agree. CP3's one of my favorite players, but he's gotten somewhat overrated since that series. I've been hearing debates about who should a team go after between Howard and CP3. I don't think its a debate. [B] This isn't 2008 and 2009 CP3 anymore. He's clearly declined. Its like people completely forget the time between 2009 and the 2011 1st round series.[/[/B]QUOTE]

you mean he was clearly injured lol @ declined....cp3 is probably better than ever now that hes 100 percent...please watch his games religiously before you come to conclusions[/QUOTE]

Right. He declined cause of his injuries, which will probably never go away. He has knee issues. Its not like its a bruised elbow or something. He went from 23 ppg/6 rpg/11 apg/3 spg on 50% in his last fully healthy season in 09 to 16 ppg/4 rpg/10 apg/2 spg on 46% last year in 11. An overall great decline in numbers despite the fact that his team didn't really get much better and he was still relied upon alot. How often do players ever go through that much of a statistical decline and then fully recover from injuries and then go back to their previous numbers? Its almost never. CP3 is still great, a clear top 10 player IMO, but he's definitely not what he used to be.

[QUOTE=christian1923]Lately its been about teaming up with your friends lol[/QUOTE]

i remember in the 90s, it was about getting your own team to lead, glory for yourself

[QUOTE]No matter how badly Paul wants to join forces with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, it seems clear that he realizes he can't get to New York via trade this season. [B]As a result, his new favorite destination, I'm told, is the Lakers[/B].[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=guy][QUOTE=Thechosen1]

Right. He declined cause of his injuries, which will probably never go away. He has knee issues. Its not like its a bruised elbow or something. He went from 23 ppg/6 rpg/11 apg/3 spg on 50% in his last fully healthy season in 09 to 16 ppg/4 rpg/10 apg/2 spg on 46% last year in 11. An overall great decline in numbers despite the fact that his team didn't really get much better and he was still relied upon alot. How often do players ever go through that much of a statistical decline and then fully recover from injuries and then go back to their previous numbers? Its almost never. CP3 is still great, a clear top 10 player IMO, but he's definitely not what he used to be.[/QUOTE]

Your argument makes no sense for two reasons...One: because he wasn't 100 percent, he was obviously NOT going to put the same numbers up as he was used to putting up. Also he played less games which means less opportunities for him to actually increase his stats if he wanted to. There are two many uncertain situations to completely say he has regressed as a player.

Two: Chris Paul before the season started last year stated that he needed one more full year before his knees were fully restored....this is from his mouth. Meaning he knows his body more than we do...I dont think he believes hes gonna "fall off" as competitive as the guy is, if he was truly worse than before, he probably wouldn't sugarcoat it.

If you watch Chris Paul play EVERY GAME like I do....you can understand where Im coming from...if you occasionally watch chris paul, you will only go by numbers....because no one can sit here after watching him tear up LA last year and say if hes rested and ready to go in 2012 he wouldnt be better than ever. Eyes dont lie.