Michael Jordan memo to Kobe Bryant:

[QUOTE]There isn't a single area where the '12 team is vastly superior than the '92 team, but plenty going the other way.[/QUOTE]

What about the SF spot ? They have a vastly superior advantage there, IMO.

[QUOTE]When the '92 team got revved up, they would slaughter any team in the history of the game.

its just that simple.[/QUOTE]

They probably would win against any assembled team, but I don't see THAT much of a "slaughter".

It would be competitive for a while, until they figured out how to beat this current team.

And I definitely don't see the 92 team "slaughtering" the 96 team or 08 team that easily either. Infact, in a 7 game series, I see them going 7 games for both.

Lol. First Barkley now Jordan clowns Kobe's statements on winning a basketball game against the 1992 squad. Playing against a Michael Jordan team, you should be worried, VERY worried.

[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]I don't know if DRob & Ewing are just gonna score with the greatest of ease against Chandler. Chandler won't get shut down by them because most of his points are gonna come from the rebounds and dump off passes for easy dunks anyway.

Malone and Barkley both are gonna buttrape Bosh on offense, but how are they going to stop him on defense? They're both too short and slower than him.

So that's enough to slaughter them? [B]Who's gonna stop Lebron? Pippen? Pippen is weaker, shorter, lighter, slower than Lebron. [/B] Jordan will eat Kobe because it's the old Kobe, it's a toss up at the PG position to me. I'll give it to 2012 because the players are bigger, stronger and faster. Oh and they have DWill.[/QUOTE]
No one can stop a great player from getting his.but Pippen is considered if not the greatest certainly among the GOAT wing defenders, he has the foot spedd to stay in front of LBJ, he would give LeBron enough space to try and entice him to shoot instead of drive and Pippen could try and funnel LBJ to the help defense. Come on homie, if Marion can limit LBJ, you don't think a far superior defender like Pippen can have some success?:lol

[QUOTE=Noob Saibot]Lol. First Barkley now Jordan clowns Kobe's statements on winning a basketball game against the 1992 squad. Playing against a Michael Jordan team, you should be worried, VERY worried.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean he never lost in the first round of the playoffs multiple times.

the only area where 2012 team would surpass is overall team speed.

[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]I don't know if DRob & Ewing are just gonna score with the greatest of ease against Chandler. Chandler won't get shut down by them because most of his points are gonna come from the rebounds and dump off passes for easy dunks anyway.

[/QUOTE]

LOL the reason Chandler gets easy dunks is because centers suck now.

Chandler doesn't even have to worry about man d very often he just has to play good help D. He never faces anyone like Ewing or DRob.

[QUOTE]So that's enough to slaughter them? Who's gonna stop Lebron? Pippen? Pippen is weaker, shorter, lighter, slower than Lebron.[/QUOTE]


So why didn't Lebron dominate a past his prime Marion in last years Finals? Pippen is one of, if not the, best defenders at the 3 spot ever.

[QUOTE]I'll give it to 2012 because the players are bigger, stronger and faster. Oh and they have DWill.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:


Please point out a pg today who is bigger and stronger than Magic. Centers today are lame compared to the centers back then. There is no way Al Horford sniffs an All-Star game at center back in the early 90s.

I am sure the Dream Team would be terrified to face DWill and his 40.7% shooting.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]What about the SF spot ? They have a vastly superior advantage there, IMO.[/quote]
Yes, LBJ would be the most talented player on the floor at that position, but I don't see that as any great advantage. As we saw this year, LeBron is most effective when he takes the ball to the basket consistently. With the likes of Ewing and DRob controlling the lane, that isn't happening.

Plus, they'd stick Pippin on him. I'd love to see that matchup.

[quote]They probably would win against any assembled team, but I don't see THAT much of a "slaughter".

It would be competitive for a while, until they figured out how to beat this current team.

And I definitely don't see the 92 team "slaughtering" the 96 team or 08 team that easily either. Infact, in a 7 game series, I see them going 7 games for both.[/QUOTE]
All I can tell you is to get your hands on some of the '92 team games, and everything will become very clear.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Yeah I mean he never lost in the first round of the playoffs multiple times.[/QUOTE]


Shots fired! Shots fired!!! :roll:

Fellas you're all making great points, but there's no way to change my opinion. I just can't grasp a slaughter by either one of these teams. For the record, Pippen has been my all time favorite NBA player and I don't see him being able to stop Lebron James. Slow him down? Maybe and that's a big maybe. Lebron's shortcomings against Dallas were not due to Shawn Marion to me, but he was so damn confused. I liked the interview with Mark Cuban explaining their defensive scheme against him. It made perfect sense.

[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]the only area where 2012 team would surpass is overall team speed.[/QUOTE]
Speed is nice but not everything or else DRose and Westbrook would be GOAT candidates and Larry Bird a scrub.:cheers:

Don't know if the frontcourt advantage of the 1992 team would be all that big.

Especially against Barkley, 2012 team could put Bron at the 4 (and Barkley doesn't win that matchup) and Durant at the 3 versus Pippen (which also would be a favorable matchup for the 2012 team).

Then it would be DRob vs Chandler at center, which imo wouldn't be that much of a problem because defensively, Chandler is more than competent and while DRob is a much better offensive player, it wouldn't be that much of a problem because there's only one ball and Chandler is pretty damn good at converting the gimmes at a high percentage.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Yes, LBJ would be the most talented player on the floor at that position, but I don't see that as any great advantage. As we saw this year, LeBron is most effective when he takes the ball to the basket consistently. With the likes of Ewing and DRob controlling the lane, that isn't happening.

Plus, they'd stick Pippin on him. I'd love to see that matchup.[/QUOTE]

They also have Durant and Melo too. So to me LeBron/Durant/Melo > Pippen/Mullin/Bird(as old as he was)...

Yeah, It would be really fun to watch LeBron vs Pippen.


[QUOTE]All I can tell you is to get your hands on some of the '92 team games, and everything will become very clear.[/QUOTE]

I have caught some of their games, but not in their entirety. Will do :cheers:

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]All I can tell you is to get your hands on some of the '92 team games, and everything will become very clear.[/QUOTE]

See that's where the problem is right there. Look at the talent level of the teams that they played against in '92. That's why they were blowing everybody out bro. That's why I can't factor in all those blowouts. If I'm trying to compare them to the 2012 team then those games mean nothing to me.

[QUOTE]Especially against Barkley, 2012 team could put Bron at the 4 (and Barkley doesn't win that matchup) and Durant at the 3 versus Pippen (which also would be a favorable matchup for the 2012 team).

Then it would be DRob vs Chandler at center, which imo wouldn't be that much of a problem because defensively, Chandler is more than competent and while DRob is a clearly better offensive player, it wouldn't be that much of a problem because there's only one ball and Chandler is pretty damn good at converting the gimmes at a high percentage.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on Barkley vs LeBron. I do think LeBron could cause some problems with his speed bothering Barkley, unless Barkley could overpower him.

Pippen vs Durant to me is a wash if they go one on one. I think I would favor Pippen, just because he would try to bully Durant a bit more, which I don't think Durant is too comfortable with yet.

Robinson has the advantage no matter what, I even think Robinson > Chandler on defense. You're right though with ball possession, so I don't know how much of role these two would play.

[QUOTE=DirtySanchez]Ha true...

I just love how everybody acts like their opinions are fact.

My opinion on this...I have no clue who would win. I am a product of the 80's and 90's so of course I'm bias to those guys. But to say our current team would have no chance is just nonsense.[/QUOTE]

I'm 100% with you on that Dirty. Hell the only reason why I'm arguing for the 2012 team is because they're the minority lol. I'm going to try and actually compare the teams one of these days lol.

[B]Kobe < MJ Get ****en Real. :rolleyes: :facepalm

-Jordan Was Too Athletic for Kobe. His Potent Driving Blazing Speed and Foot Quickness Is Too Much For Kobe. Kobe Would Just Shoot From the Outside For Poor% Shots

Lebron < Barkley

Lebron Could Only Shoot Far Away Jumpers for Poor % Shots...Barkley Would Destroy and Kill Lebron in the Post: 58.13% FG for 21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and 55.13% Two-Point FGA for 22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG

Magic > Westbrook...By Miles

Durant = Pippen

Robinson > Tyson

Bench: Malone, Bird, Ewing, Stockton, Mullin, Drexler etc...Much Better Bench[/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound]
Lebron < Barkley

Lebron Could Only Shoot Far Away Jumpers for Poor % Shots...Barkley Would Destroy and Kill Lebron in the Post: 58.13% FG for 21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG and 55.13% Two-Point FGA for 22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG
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LOL. Barkley's fantastic defense forcing poor LBJ to take long jumpers...

[QUOTE=brain drain]LOL. Barkley's fantastic defense forcing poor LBJ to take long jumpers...[/QUOTE]

[B]Thats All Lebron would do Because In the Post He Has Nothing On Anyone :confusedshrug: . He Still has a Weak Post Game Fact! and His Shooting Has Gotten Better but Its No Where Near Durant, Kobes or Birds Touch

Plus the Team Would Actually Be Both Malone and Barkley at the PFs

Barkley was THE ZONE BUSTER and THE BEST OLYMPIC PLAYER OF ALL TIME[/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Thats All Lebron would do Because In the Post He Has Nothing On Anyone :confusedshrug: . He Still has a Weak Post Game Fact! and His Shooting Has Gotten Better but Its No Where Near Durant, Kobes or Birds Touch

Plus the Team Would Actually Be both Malone and Barkley at the PFs[/B][/QUOTE]
Lebron>Barkley deal with it

It would definitely be a better game than Jordan thinks. 92 had no bench.

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Yeah I mean he never lost in the first round of the playoffs multiple times.[/QUOTE]

You talking about Jordan?

In the 1985 playoffs they lost to the Moncrief/Cummings/Pressey Bucks. Jordan had Orlando Woolridge (nice player but never an All-Star), and Quintin Dailey. Then they lost to the loaded mid-80s Celtics the next two years in the first round. In 1986 all he still had was Woolridge, Dailey, and a 33 year old Gervin. The next year, in 1987, he had a young Oakley and Paxson. Finally got over the hump in 1988 against a pretty talented and deep Cavs team with Mark Price, Larry Nance, Brad Daugherty, Ron Harper, and Hot Rod Williams; no superstars but it was still a deeper team than what Jordan was working with.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Lebron>Barkley deal with it[/QUOTE]

[B]As a SF yes but NOT AS A PF[/B] :no:

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]
As a backdrop, I've recently wanted several of the '08 team's games, and all eight of the Dream Team games. When the '92 team got revved up, they would slaughter any team in the history of the game.

its just that simple.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]
All I can tell you is to get your hands on some of the '92 team games, and everything will become very clear.[/QUOTE]

I saw them live in '92 also and have watched some of their games since then. You cannot make an assessment of how they would handle the '12 team based upon how they performed against what amounted to as a bunch of vastly inferior, undeveloped international fans who were just happy to be on the same court as those NBA stars in '92. I remember there was one international player who had Magic guarding him and actually beckoned to his teammate on the bench to have him take a picture of that moment.

Using how the '92 team manhandled their "competition" as the barometer for how they would play against the '12 team is like saying that since a group of NBA all stars defeated a team full of high schoolers that they would dominate another team of all stars the same way. Even Barkley had to admit that in the very next Olympics in '96 the international players were not as in awe as they were in '92 of the NBA players. While I would expect the '92 team to win primarily due to their frontcourt advantage, I just don't see them totally demolishing the '12 team.

Magic would have fits with defending Westbrook. Especially the 1992 version of Magic.

[QUOTE]It would definitely be a better game than Jordan thinks. 92 had no bench.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit.

[QUOTE]You talking about Jordan?

In the 1985 playoffs they lost to the Moncrief/Cummings/Pressey Bucks. Jordan had Orlando Woolridge (nice player but never an All-Star), and Quintin Dailey. Then they lost to the loaded mid-80s Celtics the next two years in the first round. In 1986 all he still had was Woolridge, Dailey, and a 33 year old Gervin. The next year he had a young Oakley and Paxson.[/QUOTE]

Nah, don't use context in your post. :oldlol:


@RRR3, you going pick who's going to win in 7 games and by how many games ?

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Bullshit.



Nah, don't use context in your post. :oldlol:


@RRR3, you going pick who's going to win in 7 games and by how many games ?[/QUOTE]
No I'm not educated enough about the dream team lol

[QUOTE=Droid101]It would definitely be a better game than Jordan thinks. 92 had no bench.[/QUOTE]

Say they start this lineup, and keep in mind Magic and Stockton were limited, so they did play this lineup a lot...

PG Pippen
SG Jordan
SF Drexler
PF Barkley
C Robinson

So, having Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Magic, and Stockton means "no bench", but the 2012 team having Deron, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Blake, Iggy, and Harden does?

How about making a lineup of just the benches, and you tell me which one is better...

PG Magic
SG Stockton
SF Mullin
PF Malone
C Ewing

vs.

PG Deron
SG Westbrook
SF Melo
PF Blake
C Love

Or move Melo to PF for Blake and put Iggy in at SF. The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?

[QUOTE=jlip]I saw them live in '92 also and have watched some of their games since then. You cannot make an assessment of how they would handle the '12 team based upon how they performed against what amounted to as a bunch of vastly inferior, undeveloped international fans who were just happy to be on the same court as those NBA stars in '92. I remember there was one international player who had Magic guarding him and actually beckoned to his teammate on the bench to have him take a picture of that moment.

Using how the '92 team manhandled their "competition" as the barometer for how they would play against the '12 team is like saying that since a group of NBA all stars defeated a team full of high schoolers that they would dominate another team of all stars the same way. Even Barkley had to admit that in the very next Olympics in '96 the international players were not as in awe as they were in '92 of the NBA players. While I would expect the '92 team to win primarily due to their frontcourt advantage, I just don't see them totally demolishing the '12 team.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Just count the number of non-US-NBA players in the competition in 92 and in 2012 and you know what's up, without even considering the fact that the other leagues have improved a LOT since then.

[QUOTE=KG215]The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?[/QUOTE]

As I said before, bullshit (of the 92 team not having a bench.)

:cheers:

[QUOTE=KG215]Say they start this lineup, and keep in mind Magic and Stockton were limited, so they did play this lineup a lot...

PG Pippen
SG Jordan
SF Drexler
PF Barkley
C Robinson

So, having Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Magic, and Stockton means "no bench", but the 2012 team having Deron, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Blake, Iggy, and Harden does?

How about making a lineup of just the benches, and you tell me which one is better...

PG Magic
SG Stockton
SF Mullin
PF Malone
C Ewing

vs.

PG Deron
SG Westbrook
SF Melo
PF Blake
C Love

Or move Melo to PF for Blake and put Iggy in at SF. The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?[/QUOTE]

:applause:

[QUOTE=KG215]Say they start this lineup, and keep in mind Magic and Stockton were limited, so they did play this lineup a lot...

PG Pippen
SG Jordan
SF Drexler
PF Barkley
C Robinson

So, having Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Magic, and Stockton means "no bench", but the 2012 team having Deron, Westbrook, Melo, Love, Blake, Iggy, and Harden does?

How about making a lineup of just the benches, and you tell me which one is better...

PG Magic
SG Stockton
SF Mullin
PF Malone
C Ewing

vs.

PG Deron
SG Westbrook
SF Melo
PF Blake
C Love

Or move Melo to PF for Blake and put Iggy in at SF. The 1992 team didn't have a bench? What the hell are you smoking?[/QUOTE]
I'm in full agreement with you on that one. I was going to address that statement if you did not.

I think the comparison of the '92 team to the '12 squad is a lot less about 1-on-1 matchups than what many people are suggesting. I don't think it's a matter of saying, "Jordan > Bryant and James > Pippen", regardless of whether they're true statements or not. The '92 Dream Team is just one continuous wave of Hall of Famers. It never stops and it never drops off. Would the drop off be Chris Mullin, the shooter coming off a 26ppg season on 52% shooting? John Stockton? The all-time leader in assists and steals?

For me, the absurdly high level of depth on the '92 squad is the largest difference between the two teams. If Russell Westbrook attacks David Robinson and draws two quick fouls on him, who's going to pick up the slack? Well, that'd more than likely fall on the shoulders of Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing. No big deal. And if Magic rolls an ankle, who's running point? Oh, John Stockton. Conversely, say David Robinson gives Tyson all he can handle inside and Tyson finds himself in heavy foul trouble early. Who will spell him? Kevin Love. Not shabby, but it's not Patrick Ewing. And if Chris Paul needs a breather? 40% shooting Deron Williams. Again, great player, not John Stockton. The examples, of course, only run deeper.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Bullshit.
Nah, don't use context in your post. :oldlol:
[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about my post or his post?

[QUOTE=KG215]Are you talking about my post or his post?[/QUOTE]

Him, obviously.

You're post was right on the button. :cheers:

He just said "well he had multiple playoff first round exits"... but didn't show how shit those teams Jordan was on. It's not like Jordan didn't hold his own for at least 2 of those 3 series.

[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]I don't know if DRob & Ewing are just gonna score with the greatest of ease against Chandler. Chandler won't get shut down by them because most of his points are gonna come from the rebounds and dump off passes for easy dunks anyway.

Malone and Barkley both are gonna buttrape Bosh on offense, but how are they going to stop him on defense? They're both too short and slower than him.

So that's enough to slaughter them? Who's gonna stop Lebron? Pippen? Pippen is weaker, shorter, lighter, [B]slower[/B] than Lebron. Jordan will eat Kobe because it's the old Kobe, it's a toss up at the PG position to me. I'll give it to 2012 because the players are bigger, stronger and faster. Oh and they have DWill.[/QUOTE]

Slower? A 1992 Scottie Pippen is by no means slower than Lebron right now. The guy weighs 260lbs and a 1992 Pippen probably weighs around 215 or so pounds. This was before Pippen really added muscle on and he was quick as hell. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0[/URL] Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest open court players of all time. He was athletic, had huge strides because of his length, could pass, and could finish with the best of them.

Frankly I would put Pippen on Durant as Durant is not quick enough to drive by him and likes to shoot mostly jumpers and Pippen's long arms and active hands would really bother him. Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.

[QUOTE=Smoke117] Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]


True, and Barkley's strength was waist down while Lebron is more top heavy. Lebron would have no chance guarding barkley in the post. Not only that the effort of trying to guard him could slow him down on offense. He is not used to guarding post players.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]

Come on, don't pretend that Charles was a great defender who was just lazy and could turn it up when he wanted. He simply was a very bad defender, period. To think that he could suddenly step it up against Lebron of all people is a little absurd.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]Slower? A 1992 Scottie Pippen is by no means slower than Lebron right now. The guy weighs 260lbs and a 1992 Pippen probably weighs around 215 or so pounds. This was before Pippen really added muscle on and he was quick as hell. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCW1TxGXO0[/URL] Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest open court players of all time. He was athletic, had huge strides because of his length, could pass, and could finish with the best of them.

Frankly I would put Pippen on Durant as Durant is not quick enough to drive by him and likes to shoot mostly jumpers and Pippen's long arms and active hands would really bother him. Barkley is a better match up for Lebron. In a marquee match up like that he's not going to be lazy defensively and he has strength to bother Lebron. Seems to me a lot of people forget how athletic Barkley was. He may not have looked like the typical athlete, but he was extremely athletic in his youth.[/QUOTE]
And the thing they forget is that these are PRIME players we are talking about. Not old and washed, except for Bird.

Oh, and by the way, [URL="http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/02/the-barkley-defense-yes-im-drunk-but-im-horny-too/"]here's a prime example what Charles Barkley's defense looks like.[/URL]

It's hilarious, but absolutely ineffective. He's not gonna stop anyone or anything with that sh!t.

1992 Patrick Ewing and David Robinson v. Tyson Chandler and Chris Bosh and whatever else we're pretending is a center? And then you throw in guys like pre-MVP Barkley and a young Karl Malone? Please.