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[QUOTE=talkingconch]Honestly i think she was drugged and maybe suicide? As someone posted, how are you gonna take 115lbs climbing up that ladder into the tank? Unless there are other means of getting in there?[/QUOTE]
If she climbed up there herself on the ladder.. how come the ladder wasn't left on the water tank? How would she have climbed up there.. get into the water tank.. and then move the ladder back to its original place?
[QUOTE=talkingconch]Honestly i think she was drugged and maybe suicide? As someone posted, how are you gonna take 115lbs climbing up that ladder into the tank? Unless there are other means of getting in there?[/QUOTE]
if reports are correct that she was naked in the tank, where are her clothes?
[QUOTE=talkingconch]Honestly i think she was drugged and maybe suicide? As someone posted, how are you gonna take 115lbs climbing up that ladder into the tank? Unless there are other means of getting in there?[/QUOTE]
It's not that much. Firefighters have to carry loads like that up ladders much higher than that. If you're big enough and fit enough it's certainly not an insurmountable challenge
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]The roof was locked, so there would of been no way she could of went there on her own because there was an alarm that needed to be deactivated.
I just don't see how she could pull this off being so wacked out of her mind.
I don't think the body was placed in there by climbing a ladder; there was a platform that a person could stand on and drop the body in there.
Being murdered fits a lot more nicely with the facts.[/QUOTE]
- the platform ( actually a supply room/elevator repair roof) is only accessed by climbing a 20' vertical ladder..no way an average person could carry a 115lbs body up a vertical 20' ladder.
- not sure if the roof access door was locked or not...not even sure if the alarm was working.
- the roof also has 2 roof hatches..that you could access through most likely the 15 th floor.
[IMG]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/861436_10151263021342452_949708978_o.jpg[/IMG]
- roof also has graffitti in many places...not sure how secure it was?
- I do believe she was placed there by someone else though.
[QUOTE=n00bie]If she climbed up there herself on the ladder.. how come the ladder wasn't left on the water tank? How would she have climbed up there.. get into the water tank.. and then move the ladder back to its original place?[/QUOTE]
there was a wooden ladder used by maintenance person that always stayed next to the tanks.
[QUOTE=gts]It's not that much. Firefighters have to carry loads like that up ladders much higher than that. If you're big enough and fit enough it's certainly not an insurmountable challenge[/QUOTE]
average person could carry 115lbs body up a few steps of a ladder....
no way they could carry a body more then that.
Firefighters carry packs....not bodys( on thier shoulder) up a ladder .....they have ropes and stretchers for that.
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]average person could carry 115lbs body up a few steps of a ladder....
no way they could carry a body more then that.
Firefighters carry packs....not bodys( on thier shoulder) up a ladder .....they have ropes and stretchers for that.[/QUOTE]
Sounds about right but that's all you need you only need a couple steps up the ladder. The tank is 10 feet tall, toss the person in a fireman's carry and take two or 3 steps up and dump the corpse.
Speaking of firemen they have to carry 110 pounds of equipment up a 35 foot ladder in their tests, that's not including their backpack
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]The roof was locked, so there would of been no way she could of went there on her own because there was an alarm that needed to be deactivated.[/quote]
Fire escape
Meh, this is a death that will probably go unsolved.
[QUOTE=daily]Sounds about right but that's all you need you only need a couple steps up the ladder. The tank is 10 feet tall, toss the person in a fireman's carry and take two or 3 steps up and dump the corpse.
[B]Speaking of firemen they have to carry 110 pounds of equipment up a 35 foot ladder in their tests, that's not including their backpack[/B][/QUOTE]
you have a link?
also..is the equipment in a pack?..have handles?..strapped to them?..
balancing a 115lbs body on your shoulder...climbing wth 1 arm....is not the same as carrying equipment..with handles or a pack.
Any of you guys seen or held a hockey bag before?
I just saw my buddys last night...he had it over one shoulder...but was definitely carrying it with the side of his hip too.
The bag is humungous! I'm not saying it would be easy to carry that with 115lbs in it....but that would definitely make carrying that much weight much less awkward. A small women's body could easily fit into it.
Come to think of it.....months ago I made the very same comment saying "you're girl's so tiny she could probably fit in there"
And who is to say all this isn't premeditated? Sooo in that respect, I don't think it's far fetched someone dumped her there....and planned it in a way to make their life easier.
And what if the murder had an accomplice? HUH?
PS - WTF is up with the slow updates on this case? I've heard nothing...
I really want to hear about this alarm and whether it's functioning properly. Someone suggesting a staff member doing this really hit home with me.
Poor Girl. RIP.
If there aren't really any witnesses or leads, then updates are going to be slow. Toxicology reports take time.
[QUOTE=Jackass18]If there aren't really any witnesses or leads, then updates are going to be slow. Toxicology reports take time.[/QUOTE]
Probably too many shady people who live in that hotel. No one wants to come forward as a witness.
any new news on this?
[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]
My first instinct on the drug front is that she may have been into the ecstacy scene. That will raise your body temp and make you crave water in a way that would make you do something like jump into a water tower.
I've jumped off small bridges into streams of unknown depths on that stuff. The problem is is that that is a social drug, and it doesn't make sense she'd be there on her own if that was the scene she was into. That generally goes for most hallucinagenics. Heroine is an isolation drug, but she doesn't strike me as particularly strung out. [/QUOTE]
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Analysis of the video released soon after Elisa Lam disappeared from the Cecil hotel in Los Angeles suggests the Canadian tourist may have been under the influence of ecstasy when she vanished.
Lam's body was found floating in the hotel's water tank on 19 February, and it is thought the corpse could have been there for up to 19 days.
CCTV footage of Lam in the elevator, released by the Los Angeles Police Department, has now been analysed by club-drug expert Trinka Porrata.
When asked about the possibility of drug use, Porrata told LA Weekly that it is "hard to say." However she said Lam's behavior does show signs of the influence of Ecstasy.
"[I]She's "petting" something and then dancing a bit. Could be an Ecstasy pill that contains MDMA plus some other hallucinogen[/I]," Porrata said.
"[I]Getting into the corner of the elevator and looking out repeatedly could seem like paranoia or just part of her hallucination. Hard to say from just that little bit. Even harder of course to guess whether it was something she took voluntarily or was slipped to her.[/I]
"[I]Ecstasy IS considered a rape drug but so many pills called Ecstasy [are often] a mixture or something else completely that they don't get the desired effects for a sexual assault[/I]," Porrata added.
The analyst also said that people under the influence of MDMA can have hallucinations and there is a possibility of them wandering away to strange places. However, she asserted that Lam's decision to head up to the hotel water tank is not the typical behaviour of a person on Ecstasy.
According to Porrata, the water tank was "[I]a weird place to end up[/I]," unless Lam reached the tank involuntarily. However "[I]people under the influence of [the hallucinogen] PCP may like going near water. It does have a "tendency to 'attract' people to water[/I]."
After an initial autopsy proved inconclusive, a toxicology result is likely to confirm whetherLam was actually under the influence of any drug. This may take another four to six weeks.
Trinka D. Porrata, after 25 years working with the LAPD, currently works nationwide and internationally as a private drug consultant, providing instruction, legislative support, and expert testimony regarding various drug issues, especially GHB, ketamine, flunitrazepam, LSD and MDMA, and drug facilitated sexual assaults.
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Meanwhile, a BBC report suggests that American actor Robert Conrad gave a couple from Plymouth $500 (
[QUOTE=BRabbiT][URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/444322/20130310/canadian-woman-elisa-lam-death-cecil-hotel.htm"]LINK[/URL][/QUOTE]
Seems like they are still waiting on the results of the toxicology tests.
I can just sense something absolutely horrifying is about to be revealed.
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"She's "petting" something and then dancing a bit. Could be an Ecstasy pill that contains MDMA plus some other hallucinogen," Porrata said.[/quote]
I'm sorry but this is stupid as sh*t. This "professional" prob has never done any ecstasy or observed anyone on it. Where are the glosticks. Why doesn't she have a pacifier in her mouth; and why isn't she looking for some random stranger to give a nice good ole fashion raver massage.
If she's thirsty, why didn't she go back to her room, downstairs, or knock on someone's door to get a glass of water. Makes no sense at all she's going to climb upstairs, break the alarm like she's f*ckin Mcguyver, climb to the bin, lift up the heavy lid, and throw herself in there.
There is a difference between being high and delusional; obviously she must be one delusional girl to go through all that. It's as stupid as saying smoke pot will make you a murderer.
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]...If she's thirsty, why didn't she go back to her room, downstairs, or knock on someone's door to get a glass of water. Makes no sense at all she's going to climb upstairs, break the alarm like she's f*ckin Mcguyver, climb to the bin, lift up the heavy lid, and throw herself in there.
There is a difference between being high and delusional; obviously she must be one delusional girl to go through all that. [/QUOTE]
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"She's "petting" something and then dancing a bit. Could be an Ecstasy pill that contains MDMA plus some other hallucinogen. Getting into the corner of the elevator and looking out repeatedly could seem like paranoia or just part of her hallucination.
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Hard to say from just that little bit. Even harder of course to guess whether it was something she took voluntarily or was slipped to her.[/I][/B]
[I]Ecstasy IS considered a rape drug but so many pills called Ecstasy so often is a mixture or something else completely[/I] that they don't get the desired effects for a sexual assault.
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she was probably running from someone. no doubt.
but she was probably drugged by that person. she seemed like she was scared for her life, but also high as fukc.
[QUOTE=BRabbiT]she was probably running from someone. no doubt.
but she was probably drugged by that person. she seemed like she was scared for her life, but also high as fukc.[/QUOTE]
Yea and that would suck if they find drugs in her system and concluded it was a suicide.
Sounds like such an easy cop out because the logic is basically this:
1. She is high on drugs.
2. Since she is high on drugs, she is thirsty.
3. Therefore, she is going steal to the hotel key, find her way to the top, find a water bin, climb up the stairs, lift the heavy lid, and jump inside when all she really wanted to do is to take a zip of water.
Makes no f*ckin sense.
First, if she is indeed delusional, why would she even think about finding a person who had access to the key to begin with and on top of that, how would she even know it was locked in the first place. Second, how would she possibly know water was up there with no prior knowledge of the hotel. 3rd, why would she go through all that trouble to get a drink of water when she could of easily walked downstairs to a fountain, back to her room, or knock on someone's door and ask for a glass of water.
[B]She must be really thirsty to go through all of that just for a zip of water.[/B]
Conclusion: if she was indeed that delusional to accidentally jump in the water bin and end up killing herself, then there would of been no way for her to know water was up there in the first place.
I mean is there a map somewhere in the hotel pinpointing to that water bin with the exact words, "GET YOUR DRINK ON" somewhere in that hotel?
What's even more sad is this so call professional detective b*tch is saying her hand movements were "petting" when she was clearly doing sign language.
Watch the video again. Then watch this "friend" gesture in sign language [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hrH2ZfCyJDo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hrH2ZfCyJDo[/URL]. Then notice the first sign is "I don't know" and a few other signs after that.
She is talking to someone and not just acting completely delusional off of ecstasy. If she was really on ecstasy she would of pranced around like a fairy and tried to look for someone to give her a back massage.
Man this thing reeks of shadiness.
You're thirsty and high on E...you're gonna magically know that there is a water tank on top of the roof and that seems like an easier fix than your hotel room or lobby? Right. Can't wait to find out what happened. Hope it's not a cover up.
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]I'm sorry but this is stupid as sh*t. This "professional" prob has never done any ecstasy or observed anyone on it. Where are the glosticks. Why doesn't she have a pacifier in her mouth; and why isn't she looking for some random stranger to give a nice good ole fashion raver massage.
If she's thirsty, why didn't she go back to her room, downstairs, or knock on someone's door to get a glass of water. Makes no sense at all she's going to climb upstairs, break the alarm like she's f*ckin Mcguyver, climb to the bin, lift up the heavy lid, and throw herself in there.
There is a difference between being high and delusional; obviously she must be one delusional girl to go through all that. It's as stupid as saying smoke pot will make you a murderer.[/QUOTE]
pretty much agree with this.
[QUOTE=rezznor]pretty much agree with this.[/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Yea and that would suck if they find drugs in her system and concluded it was a suicide.
Sounds like such an easy cop out because the logic is basically this:
1. She is high on drugs.
2. Since she is high on drugs, she is thirsty.
3. Therefore, she is going steal to the hotel key, find her way to the top, find a water bin, climb up the stairs, lift the heavy lid, and jump inside when all she really wanted to do is to take a zip of water.
Makes no f*ckin sense.
First, if she is indeed delusional, why would she even think about finding a person who had access to the key to begin with and on top of that, how would she even know it was locked in the first place. Second, how would she possibly know water was up there with no prior knowledge of the hotel. 3rd, why would she go through all that trouble to get a drink of water when she could of easily walked downstairs to a fountain, back to her room, or knock on someone's door and ask for a glass of water.
[B]She must be really thirsty to go through all of that just for a zip of water.[/B]
Conclusion: if she was indeed that delusional to accidentally jump in the water bin and end up killing herself, then there would of been no way for her to know water was up there in the first place.
I mean is there a map somewhere in the hotel pinpointing to that water bin with the exact words, "GET YOUR DRINK ON" somewhere in that hotel?[/QUOTE]
zip of water? do you mean sip?
Can't believe there aren't anymore updates on this story. How long does it take for a toxicology test to be completed? I remember them saying it'd only take 6-8 weeks.
Guess this is going to be in the history books as "unsolved". :banghead:
*update* they ruled her death as accidental. :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/06/20/vancouver_womans_death_in_la_hotel_water_tank_ruled_an_accidental_drowning.bb.html[/url]
"Nothing came up in the toxicology tests, and no trauma on the body"
So basically, they're saying she took off her clothes and jumped in there herself. :biggums:
[QUOTE=n00bie]*update* they ruled her death as accidental. :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/06/20/vancouver_womans_death_in_la_hotel_water_tank_ruled_an_accidental_drowning.bb.html[/url]
"Nothing came up in the toxicology tests, and no trauma on the body"
So basically, they're saying she took off her clothes and jumped in there herself. :biggums:[/QUOTE]
maybe that place really is haunted and makes you do crazy shit like that
[QUOTE=n00bie]*update* they ruled her death as accidental. :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/06/20/vancouver_womans_death_in_la_hotel_water_tank_ruled_an_accidental_drowning.bb.html[/url]
"Nothing came up in the toxicology tests, and no trauma on the body"
So basically, they're saying she took off her clothes and jumped in there herself. :biggums:[/QUOTE]
Crazy stuff. I'm sure something happened but after being in water like that for so long, I think all evidence would be compromised.
[QUOTE=WWRWestbrookDo?]maybe that place really is haunted and makes you do crazy shit like that[/QUOTE]
Exactly my thoughts. If she wasn't raped, murdered, or on drugs, that place is haunted. This girl had no history of mental illness.. so either something made her snap, or she was possessed.
Either way, scary shit.