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[QUOTE=boozehound][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior[/URL][/QUOTE]
Wikipedia really isn't the most academic source. Nice try though.
[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]Tim Hardaway thinks this way.
but who do you define as a homophobe? conservatives? Republicans? regular church going families? the Vatican? the Muslims? please elaborate.
singling out people as homophobes is just as ignorant and bigoted as it is to call people homosexual deviants. they are both born out of sheer mean spirited ignorance.
just like how it is wrong, ignorant and bigoted to call a black man the N word, just as it is to call someone who votes Republican a stupid Red State hick who likes to eat at Red Lobster and play bowling on Friday nights.
it may not have the same civil connotations, but you cannot disagree both are ignorant statements.[/QUOTE]
When I say homophobe i'm using the dictionary definition which is
ho
[QUOTE=El Kabong]When I say homophobe i'm using the dictionary definition which is
ho
[QUOTE]Here's a guy who mentions exclusively black people as non human primates? in a country that has a history of not only being insensitive but downright abusive using such images......
but him I guess being humerous makes the difference? Cracking on Tim Hardaway becuz he's an idiot or an ignoramus is one thing...but Ewing has never said anything remotely close to Hardaway range..[/QUOTE]
Allow me to clarify.
I put Hardaway in the sentence contest with the non-human primates because of his tenure as an analyst/commentator. During that time, there were threads upon threads devoted to or mentioning Hardaway's lack of skills in that area. GOBB in particular is one of the guys I remember joining me (or was I joining him?) with the Hardaway stuttering jokes. It was mean spirited, sure, but it was more because he was just a bad choice for the job. Anyone should have been able to see that.
That's what this was about. Hardaway's muff-ups as an analyst, not his race. The non-human primates certainly didn't help me in the joke there. I just picked the animals that were closer to humans because the possibility of them speaking in sentences is less unfathomable.
The joke wasn't about Hardaway's intolerant comments or my thoughts on whether or not he's educated or smart.
On to Ewing. I'm talking pure facial resemblance here with Ewing. That teamed with my non-human primate comment to give the joke blatantly (though unintentionally) racist overtones. As I have tried to state from the beginning, that was not my intent.
If this helps at all, ANOTHER poster mentioned Ewing and Bobby Jackson. I included Ewing, but NOT Jackson. Because I don't think Jackson bears as strong resemblance as Ewing does.
I'm honestly surprised that more noise wasn't made about my jokes. I can assure you, however, that there was no intent to come across as a racist.
Take it for what you will.
[QUOTE=BlackMoses]Wikipedia really isn't the most academic source. Nice try though.[/QUOTE]
Sure, its not, but it is easily accesible on the internet and you will see that the page I cited is very well referenced. You could follow those references if you would like to find out more or corroborate the info on wikipedia. Or you could, as I suggested earlier, try google scholar or Searchnow or web of science in you have access to it. This really is a fairly well studied area among ethologists.
While I do hesitate to use sources like wikipedia for anything beyond a casual internet discussion, many of the entries on there are well researched and provide references or reading lists.
Besides this isn't exactly an academic discussion :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=El Kabong]When I say homophobe i'm using the dictionary definition which is
ho
Kind of ironic considering that Tim's signature move is "The Crossover"
Now let me be up front. I do not hate gay people. I accept them for who they are and I understand the difficulties they have to endure. But I disagree with Amaechi's comment on Hardaway's reaction.
Living in North America, we are blessed with freedom of individuality. Common sense dictates that this freedom is by no means absolute and is bounded by our willingness to accept responsibilities for our own actions.
It is this freedom that allows Amaechi to announce to the world by way of publishing his book his homosexuality. By choosing this path, Amaechi also announced to the world that he is willing to accept the responsibilities of being praised and judged by those who take his sexually either in grace or malice.
It is also this freedom that allows Hardaway to express his personal opinion about Amaechi's announcement by way of a radio interview when the question was posed. By choosing this path, Hardaway also take responsibilities to the fact that those who support Amaechi and the Gay & Lesbian movement will react negatively.
But the reason I disagree with Amaechi is because Freedom of Individually also include freedom of acceptance. Each of us has the freedom to choose to accept or reject anything based on our own moral judgment. Amaechi's response to Hardaway's comment expresses that it is not alright to reject him as a homosexual and that the fact that there are those who dislike gays and lesbians are "problems" that society must resolve. That is wrong.
Frankly, that's what is wrong with the entire Gay and Lesbian movement. Acceptance of their existence and their right as a normal individual is one thing, but acceptance to a point where no one can have any negative personal feelings toward their lifestyle would be impeding the freedom of an individual.
You can tell people to accept you...but you cannot force people to like you.
Tim Hardaway simply stated his personal opinion about homosexual which is a normal human reaction to Amaechi's public announcement. He had in no way promoted violent toward gays and lesbians. Amaechi on the other hand, could have simply announced his sexual preference to his close circle of friends and family. But he did it on a world stage with a mass audience. To comment on Hardaway's reaction in the way he did, Amaechi is neither brave nor responsible.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf]Now let me be up front. I do not hate gay people. I accept them for who they are and I understand the difficulties they have to endure. But I disagree with Amaechi's comment on Hardaway's reaction.
Living in North America, we are blessed with freedom of individuality. Common sense dictates that this freedom is by no means absolute and is bounded by our willingness to accept responsibilities for our own actions.
It is this freedom that allows Amaechi to announce to the world by way of publishing his book his homosexuality. By choosing this path, Amaechi also announced to the world that he is willing to accept the responsibilities of being praised and judged by those who take his sexually either in grace or malice.
It is also this freedom that allows Hardaway to express his personal opinion about Amaechi's announcement by way of a radio interview when the question was posed. By choosing this path, Hardaway also take responsibilities to the fact that those who support Amaechi and the Gay & Lesbian movement will react negatively.
But the reason I disagree with Amaechi is because Freedom of Individually also include freedom of acceptance. Each of us has the freedom to choose to accept or reject anything based on our own moral judgment. Amaechi's response to Hardaway's comment expresses that it is not alright to reject him as a homosexual and that the fact that there are those who dislike gays and lesbians are "problems" that society must resolve. That is wrong.
Frankly, that's what is wrong with the entire Gay and Lesbian movement. Acceptance of their existence and their right as a normal individual is one thing, but acceptance to a point where no one can have any negative personal feelings toward their lifestyle would be impeding the freedom of an individual.
You can tell people to accept you...but you cannot force people to like you.
Tim Hardaway simply stated his personal opinion about homosexual which is a normal human reaction to Amaechi's public announcement. He had in no way promoted violent toward gays and lesbians. Amaechi on the other hand, could have simply announced his sexual preference to his close circle of friends and family. But he did it on a world stage with a mass audience. To comment on Hardaway's reaction in the way he did, Amaechi is neither brave nor responsible.[/QUOTE]
Well said!^
What Tim said was wrong- hating people because of skin color , sexual preference etc... is all wrong.
But on the other hand read Romans 1 versus 24-32.
Seems to me anybody promoting this homosexual
lifestyle is way across the lines.
Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.
Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.
I never had to worry about watching soft porn on commercials during a BIG sporting event when I was a kid growing up.
That's off. This is what Amaechi said:
[QUOTE]"His words pollute the atmosphere. It creates an atmosphere that allows young gays and lesbians to be harassed in school, creates an atmosphere where in 33 states you can lose your job, and where anti-gay and lesbian issues are used for political gain.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with Amaechi's evaluation of what the repercussion's of Hardaway's idiocy will be. IMO, the comments by Hardaway may even influence people to go a little overboard in the opposite direction to prove that they aren't homophobic. It's the attitude of people like Hardaway more so than when they actually speak that is harmful to gay people. Hardaway's speaking would be dangerous if he was a Hitler-type that was capable of swaying others to his thinking, but there was nothing persuasive about what he said, it was just ugliness, if anything in the long run it will engender more sympathy for gay people. But there is no attack on "Freedom of Individually" in Amaechi's response. That's nonsense.
[QUOTE]Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption. [/QUOTE]
This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians. [/sarcasm]
[QUOTE=bringthetruth]Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child. [/QUOTE]
Bad news for you: your child just saw an ad for Zipdick in the paper and has now been converted to homosexuality. All of your grandkids will be the results of test tubes and cloning. Life is hard.
[QUOTE=saKf]This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians.[/QUOTE]
Something I always wondered about the religious right: How can they spend all of their time and money on the moral issues in Teletubbies, Ellen Degeneres, and San Francisco while ignoring how many people die in Iraq?
[QUOTE=saKf]This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians. [/sarcasm][/QUOTE]
Scripture also makes it clear that God will give mankind up to "unnatural desires and men burning for one another". The first reference we see to homosexuality is in the book of Genesis with the story of Sodom and Gomorah. There is now clear historical record that these cities existed and were destroyed catastrophically.
My opinion is that homosexuality is immoral. I also believe that a nation's ability to legislate morality is confined by their dependancy upon God. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace), homosexuality will not be illegal. What scares me about this is that we are very close to legislating AGAINST the right to disagree with it.
[QUOTE=bringthetruth] There is now clear historical record that these cities existed and were destroyed catastrophically.
I also believe that a nation's ability to legislate morality is confined by their dependancy upon God. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace), homosexuality will not be illegal. What scares me about this is that we are very close to legislating AGAINST the right to disagree with it.[/QUOTE]
Is there historical evidence of the degeneracy and so forth? Or just a city....
How is your view any different than the islamic extremists (not terrorists, just conservative muslims that are called this in the west) in many countries who are trying to maintain or reestablish governments based upon holy law? If you want to live in a country founded upon religious law, well your up **** creek. The new god is the almighty dollar.
[QUOTE=boozehound]Is there historical evidence of the degeneracy and so forth? Or just a city....
How is your view any different than the islamic extremists (not terrorists, just conservative muslims that are called this in the west) in many countries who are trying to maintain or reestablish governments based upon holy law? If you want to live in a country founded upon religious law, well your up **** creek. The new god is the almighty dollar.[/QUOTE]
NOT MONEY IN ITSELF
But the love of money is the root of all evil.
Those who sell out for it instead of a true relationship with God is up the creek without a paddle.
Dude what country do you live in and how old are you.
You probably don't even remember sitcoms like the **** van dyke show where married couples mind you slept in seperate beds on tv.
Our country has sunk in moral and ethics so far that countries despise us no with a passion.
Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students. Cmon man do you really need more proff.
at least hes honest. at least he is not like other players that only say good things if there in front of the camera.
someone was bound to say that ignorant **** sooner or later, doesnt suprise me, imagine if barkley didnt have his political makeover, think about that.
[QUOTE=bringthetruth]
Our country has sunk in moral and ethics so far that countries despise us no with a passion.
Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students. Cmon man do you really need more proff.[/QUOTE]
No, countries despise us because we dominate the gloabl economy and depose those governments (democratic or not) that dont pander to american corporate interests in their neck of the woods. There are some countries that despise us for immorality, but for the most part it is the hatred a big bully gets when they shove everyone else in the playground around if they wont do their bidding.
I loved the **** van dyke show, very good physical comedy. He sucks now though.
[QUOTE=bringthetruth]. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace), [/QUOTE]
Some things are finally moving in the right direction.
[QUOTE]Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students.[/QUOTE]
You really think that pedophilia and weapons in schools occur because they don't allow mandatory prayer?
[quote]You really think that pedophilia and weapons in schools occur because they don't allow mandatory prayer?[/quote]
thats just the lame response they give when ever prompted..
the real reason immorality has creeped up on us so suddenly is because we as a society only pay lip service to the principles that make for a moral and civil society....
If parents taught/were serious about God & prayer [b]AT HOME[/b], then that example would follw children to school istead of the violence and chaos that follows them into the building today...
It's fairly easy to demonize big systems such as government or public schools while ignoring or inadequately fulfilling responsibilities of parenting and family.
I went to a Catholic school from grade 2 through till 12 ... God in schools doesn't make a lick of difference.
Our school had just as much sex, probably more drugs, and maybe a tad less violence going on than the regular ol' public schools. The whole point of prom night is to get laid (gasp!) even in schools where religion is taught. And we're talking about a pre-dominantly white, upper/middle class school here.
Also you can use the Bible to justify all kinds of bigotry. I know there are Mormons who won't neccessarily come out and say it in public, but they've told me in private that they look down at black people because they see them as the cursed lineage of Kain, and use scripture to back them on that. As I recall slave owners also used the Bible back in the day to justify slavery as well.
I dont understand anti-homosexuality. If someone wants to make love to a man, why couldnt he? Its what he is feeling. If women dont turn him on and men do , then why cant he accept that? What else is he supposed to do,suppress his feelings and end up projecting that suppression to something that could be harmful to society...all in the name of some metaphoric passages that may or may not be written by holy men (and could have been tainted by politics)? The key to a good society is happiness...
I am not an atheist.
Furthermore, why do people shun homosexuality because of the bible , yet are cool with sex before marriage...
its hate because of fear of the unknown... humanity has been guilty of this forever.
:hammerhead:
What is upseting me about this thread though is how christianity is being brought down so bad in this thread while support for homosexuality seems to keep rising and rising. Im not telling people to bash homosexuals, but don't rip christianity because it doesn't support homosexuals either.
:no:
[QUOTE=bringthetruth]What is upseting me about this thread though is how christianity is being brought down so bad in this thread while support for homosexuality seems to keep rising and rising. Im not telling people to bash homosexuals, but don't rip christianity because it doesn't support homosexuals either.
:no:[/QUOTE]
I don't think Christianity itself is necessarily to blame. But Christians (or indeed those of any faith) who use their religion as justification for hatred against a human being are perfectly fair game for bashing.
This is quite amusing: [url]http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=620[/url].
I apologize if it sounds like I am blesphemizing (is that a word) Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism or any other religion... its just that there has to be an end to using religion as an excuse to hate how someone naturally is. Its almost the same thing as being a holy war suicide bomber.
"As long as a man knows what to do with his foreskin"
classic :oldlol:
When did Christianity become the holder of all things moral or immoral? There are multitudes of religions in this world with varying points of views on many subjects... so when was it decided that Christianity was the view we should all follow? I am not bashing Christianity, this is just a question...
I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?
As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?
I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.
Peace
[quote] I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?
As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?
I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.
Peace[/quote]
you made a new account just to post this.
looks like you're afraid to come out.
[QUOTE=JRN]I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?
As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?
I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.
Peace[/QUOTE]
very good post. WHile I wholeheartedly defend his right to be a bigot or scared of gays, his statements of hatred and that they shouldnt be allowed exist are over the top. Insert, if you will, a group to which you belong (either by choice or by biology) in the place of gays in his statement and see if you think that is an acceptable statement in a media forum.
"Well you know, I hate christians, so I let it be known. I don't like christians and I don't like to be around christians," he said. "Yeah, I'm anti-christian. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world for that or in the United States for that. So, yeah, I don't like it.
[QUOTE=DCL]you made a new account just to post this.
looks like you're afraid to come out.[/QUOTE]
No, my old login no longer worked. So, I created a new one.
ahahah theres a navy ad in this thread. Inn the Naaavvyvyyyy. ahah.
Second of all, I have been hit on by gay dudes and its not a good feeling. I dont like it at all... but I still dont hate tehm.
[QUOTE=305Baller]ahahah theres a navy ad in this thread. Inn the Naaavvyvyyyy. ahah.
Second of all, I have been hit on by gay dudes and its not a good feeling. I dont like it at all... but I still dont hate tehm.[/QUOTE]
Sure so have I, but Ive also been hit on by fat chicks or really ugly chicks and its not a good feeling. Generally, gay men are more responsive to a not interested than a desperate woman... not all of em though
[QUOTE=JRN]I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?
[/quote]
Truthfully I only heard part of his quote paraphrased on radio and they left out that last part that was on TNT later that night....He's way of track there...him saying he doesn't want to be around playe with associate or like gay people that is all good...I really couldn't care less if some dude sad he didn't like wanna be around or work with black people that's you choice...but when TIM said they shouldn't be in America or whatever then he stepped over the boundary. Who you want to associate with that's your bussiness but you can't ostrasize people based on your feelings.
[quote]As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?
I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.
Peace[/QUOTE]
Gay people must be really passive where your from cuz plenty of these ******s try and get at strait men.. I have gay and lesbian friends. They fantasize about it....in NYC there was always rumours about Larry Johnson's Tyson Beckford etc so don't make gay's all pious they are depraved and predjudiced just like all of us
What an idiot.....
one of chicago's finest. just like wade, just like d-rose, etc. :pimp:
why would you dig up a thread more then 2 years old???