TRADE: Cavs trade Andrew Bynum, picks to Bulls for Luol Deng

[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]This is an awful post.

First off, the Sac pick is almost certainly going to be a second round pick as they absolutely won't be out of the bottom 12 this year and it looks doubtful they will be out of the bottom 10 the following two years. So its a Sac 2nd rd pick in 2017.

The 2nd rd picks are both from Portland. So you are looking at ~56-58 this year and late next year. The two of them together MIGHT garner a ~#45 pick but I doubt it (last year the Bucks traded #43 and next year's #2 for #38).

So Cle gave up NO first round picks and there is at best a ~50/50 Chicago even gets a player that will make their roster.[/QUOTE]

The Bulls can take their second round pick in 2014 and then the other second round pick they got from Cleveland.

And some team in the 18-30 range in the first will look to clear out that pick to make a run at free agency.

This happens almost every single year.

Otherwise, the Bulls can package one or two of their second round picks with Boozer next year (or even this year to Charlotte) to clear out his contract.

So no, it is not an awful post.

[QUOTE]
Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
One consideration w/ Luol Deng is he

wait...what?

[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]The Bulls got a 1st and 2 2nd rounders???

Holy shit the Cavs trolled Mitch :oldlol:

I guess that aim high (for Waiters) approach blew up in their face :eek:[/QUOTE]
explain how it blew up in their face?

Shiiit.

I guess it was time to part ways with Deng. I've always liked him as a player, but he is kinda injury prone (missed several playoff games in the last six years) and that will probably become only a bigger problem as he ages.

Butler will play a bigger role now, and Snell will get more PT, so it's all good, especially knowing we got some draft picks for a player that was going to leave in the free agency anyway.

I don't really see how the Cavs got fleeced, 2 of the picks are second rounders and the Sac pick will most probably stay with sac, they brought in a piece in Deng that fills a hole they have. The only real issue here is the Cavs will most probably have to overpay to keep Deng.

:oldlol: dat espn leak

No cap relief for the fakers. Shopping Pau for 2+ years because he quit when Kobe stole one of the finals mvp when they were both equally responsible for those two rings and should have shared with one finals mvp each. Good luck trying to bring him back for less money this summer when you gave that chucker 2 years with 24 mil each year...all the while he's not even playing and collecting 30 mil. You don't think Pau sees that?

[QUOTE=NattyPButter]you really have nothing. What you have is 2 2nd rounders and Sacs 1st that is protected. The team sucks so bad that the Bulls will never see it. The team can swap the Cavs 2015 which is also lottery protected. So all I see is the Bulls got Bynum and 2 2nd rounders.[/QUOTE]


And there you have it

Deng is severely underrated on ISH. He's a terrific defender, can play 40+ minutes on any given night, is a pretty good and efficient scorer, and he hustles like no other. The Cavs needed someone like him. A stable player who can slide right in. They should be save for the Playoffs and might make noise.

How bad did the Lakers get owned?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]How bad did the Lakers get owned?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

How did they get owned? They can still move Pau for a better deal at the deadline :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=NoGunzJustSkillz]explain how it blew up in their face?[/QUOTE]

nobody knows what actually gets offered or not in these trade discussions, nobody even really knows if the lakers and cavs were even seriously involved in talks.

[QUOTE=hawkfan]Deng will get a big contract this year, say 4 years, 56 million.
The Cavs have no choice, [B]since they gave up so much to get him[/B].[/QUOTE]

lol is this for real? 2 second rounders and protected first rounder is a lot for someone that has been an all-star the last two seasons?

[QUOTE=Black and White]How did they get owned? They can still move Pau for a better deal at the deadline :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]


Talent wise maybe money wise no way.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]lol is this for real? 2 second rounders and protected first rounder is a lot for someone that has been an all-star the last two seasons?[/QUOTE]

that sac pic will never convey as a first.

[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]Talent wise maybe money wise no way.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but they just waived Williams to save them some money, I think they should look to move Pau for a young piece/picks.

[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]Talent wise maybe money wise no way.[/QUOTE]

Pau is expiring...

Let's see how awesome this trade is a year from now when Deng is retired and can barley walk anymore.

[QUOTE=VIntageNOvel]it makes sense for both,
deng can help cavs
and bynum can accompany rose to hospital[/QUOTE]
:roll:

I don't know how this can be seen as anything other than a huge get for the Cavs. If you would have told me at the beginning of the season when we weren't even sure if Bynum would play that we would flip his contract for Deng a third of the way through the season, I would have been doing backflips.

Now considering how things fell apart with Drew, for this to happen? Wow.

I said during the Gasol talks that I didn't understand why they were even bothering since we needed a SF and a veteran on the perimeter. Deng fits every criteria of what this team needed.

Scorer, defender, great teammate. Maybe most importantly he has proven that he can be very effective in an offense with a young, talented, high usage PG.

I understand why the Bulls did it too. Cut salary, get some decent assets and go all out for the draft. But, to get an All-Star at our most dire position for an expirer and mediocre picks? Great job by Chris Grant.

We're going from Alonzo Gee and Earl Clark to Deng... should be fun. :rockon:

Aaaaaand its official:

[url]http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-waive-center-andrew-bynum.html[/url]

Bynum Waived by Chicago. Nobody wants this dunce.

[QUOTE=kamil]Aaaaaand its official:

[url]http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-waive-center-andrew-bynum.html[/url]

Bynum Waived by Chicago. Nobody wants this dunce.[/QUOTE]

[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18j5irlusw37vpng/original.png[/img]

Per ESPN Stats & Info:

[QUOTE]Cavs upgrade SF position w/ trade. Deng, this season - 19.0 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 45.2 FG%. Cavs' SF, this season - 4.9 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 36.4 FG%.[/QUOTE]

Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.[/QUOTE]
Hasn't he been an All-Star for the last couple of seasons?

Like I said, the deal makes sense for both teams. With Rose out, there's no sense in staying in the middle of the pack this year for the Bulls. Go for broke on another high lottery pick in this stacked draft.

For the Cavs, we've been playing the last few seasons with Alonzo Gee as our starting SF. I've been saying all year that the Cavs' biggest issues were no starting caliber SF on the roster, no veteran presence and no outside shooting. Deng knocks two of those issues out of the park.

This deal really does make me wonder why the hell the Cavs were ever even talking to LA about a Gasol deal. This is a far superior move, both in the short-term and the long.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Bulls made out big. Tank, get Wiggins. Clear cap space. Deng was requesting ridiculous money, again. For a talent that isn't All Star caliber. Now, get rid of Boozer and we're cooking with gas.[/QUOTE]

Too bad you have a good HC with Thibs. No Wiggins for you.

I get a bad feeling Deng is going to turn into Antawn Jamison 2.0.

[QUOTE=Meticode]I get a bad feeling Deng is going to turn into Antawn Jamison 2.0.[/QUOTE]

Explain

[QUOTE=GOBB]Explain[/QUOTE]
His stats don't show it, but it seemed like after he got traded to the Cavs he struggled. Although he shot better from the field, he went from being a 75% freethrow shooter with the Wizards, then after the trade he shot 50% the rest of the season. Just seemed like he declined the rest of his career, but a lot of that is age...but wait, Deng is a similiar age...

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Hasn't he been an All-Star for the last couple of seasons?

Like I said, the deal makes sense for both teams. With Rose out, there's no sense in staying in the middle of the pack this year for the Bulls. Go for broke on another high lottery pick in this stacked draft.

For the Cavs, we've been playing the last few seasons with Alonzo Gee as our starting SF. I've been saying all year that the Cavs' biggest issues were no starting caliber SF on the roster, no veteran presence and no outside shooting. Deng knocks two of those issues out of the park.

This deal really does make me wonder why the hell the Cavs were ever even talking to LA about a Gasol deal. This is a far superior move, both in the short-term and the long.[/QUOTE]

For a young team in need of leadership and toughness, Deng was the perfect fit for the Cavs. Cavs will really enjoy having Deng, he doesn't end up in he news for partying, he seems to be a really good locker room guy and if anything, will bring your team closer together. Especially after all the nonsense happening earlier in the year with Irving and Waiters.

I see a team that will be on the rise after this trade. Deng is very good at knocking down the open jump shot, or slashing to the hole along with very solid defense. Something that will balance this starting lineup and give Irving another weapon to take some of the scoring load.

Wait, nevermind, I thought Deng was in his early 30s, He's still 28.

The big difference between Deng and Jamison is the mind.
Deng has extreme mental toughness.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Wait, nevermind, I thought Deng was in his early 30s, He's still 28.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think Deng is going to be solid for the Cavs moreso than Jamison just off defense alone. Deng is a good defender. Jamison never has been. He also comes from a place that preached discipline, accountability under coach Thibs. Long term? Unsure what your team thinks about Deng or if they will/can resign him. But for now he fits imo at a position you guys have looked for some stability at. SF. Also gives Mike Brown I think the kind of player he likes.

If Cavs cant win with him then I dont know what it is about your team. :confusedshrug:

they waived him

[QUOTE=G-train]The big difference between Deng and Jamison is the mind.
Deng has extreme mental toughness.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of differences between Jamison and Deng. Luol is only 28. Jamison was 33 when we traded for him.

Completely different (and much better) move.

Good move for the Cavs...

Deng is the leader that the cavs have been missing. With Bynum gone and Deng in the locker room they should finally get their shit together.

The Cavs put forth arguably their most inspiring performance tonight, in light of the news on Deng. Confidence and attitude are part of the battle when you're a young team trying to find your way.

Also, there's this...

[QUOTE=PDCavsInsider]Kyrie Irving said he wore a Duke sweatshirt all day today in honor of his fellow Blue Devil Luol Deng coming to CLE.[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

Has anyone ever considered Deng a leader before? I mean he could be like a Derek Fisher type leader, but I don't think many Bulls fans label him as one.