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[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14579878]When your opponent only scores 54 total points in a game.... players on both sides are going to play less minutes.
Thanks for the lesson Retardo Montalban[/QUOTE]
I've told him that. He simply ignores it. I've sent him videos of every play where Rodman was on Malone in the 98 Finals and he doesn't care. He doesn't care about facts lol. Rodman shut down Malone.
Definitely an upgrade from Myers.
Wouldn't trust Demar in big games though. Especially in an era with rules tougher for perimeter players.
If Chicago got by New York and Indiana, I don't believe they would beat the Rockets. With Jordan, the Bulls struggled verse Houston every year... Without him? Good luck.
[QUOTE=imdaman99;13997266]This is the hard-nosed Knicks defense we're talking about, Derozan would be a net negative.
The Bulls get worse in the playoffs against good teams with Derozan than without him, I have no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
Have to agree with myself here lol. Thought Derozan turned a corner this year with all the clutch shots he hit......... but 1st game playoffs and he is back being a net negative. I think I stand firm that they lose in 5 instead of 7 with Derozan instead of an average joe.
[QUOTE=imdaman99;14579893]Have to agree with myself here lol. Thought Derozan turned a corner this year with all the clutch shots he hit......... but 1st game playoffs and he is back being a net negative. I think I stand firm that they lose in 5 instead of 7 with Derozan instead of an average joe.[/QUOTE]
Lol. Only Jordan fans would think a more talented player would be a net negative. A guy who's a better passer, similar defensively, a better rebounder, on top of being a much better scorer would be a net negative. Especially when Myers and Derozan basically play the same position.
DeRozan already had 60-win teams in Toronto and did nothing
Now he has 2 perennial all-star teammates on the Bulls and is about to get swept in 1st Round
“The War is over Baby Boy(DeRozan), go with God Brother, go with God!”
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Instant chip in 94 with Demar over Jordan
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Yes, easily.
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[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
The 92' and 93' Bulls had Jordan on the team but still barely beat the Knicks, so they would lose with Derozan:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qvEmm-sZbU&t=24m10s[/url]
People forget that Kukoc's miracle shot saved the 94' Bulls from getting swept.
The 1993-94 Bulls win a championship without DeRozan if they didn't get screwed:
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Or at least they make it to the finals, where they might've lost to Hakeem like they lost all 6 of their regular season meetings in their first 3-peat with Foolish jordon on the roster.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14671357]The 1993-94 Bulls win a championship without DeRozan if they didn't get screwed:
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Or at least they make it to the finals, where they might've lost to Hakeem like they lost all 6 of their regular season meetings in their first 3-peat with Foolish jordon on the roster.[/QUOTE]
[B]Pippen fouled Hubert on the follow-thru seen here:
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[B]And specified by HOF annoucer Hubie Brown
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[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s[/url]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14671366][B]Pippen fouled Hubert on the follow-thru seen here:
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[B]And specified by HOF annoucer Hubie Brown
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[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s[/url][/QUOTE]
The Great Scott Pippen clearly not fouling Hubert Davis seen here:
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Hubert Davis himself specified that it was a payback call for the non-call on Charles Smith the previous playoffs with this statement:
[QUOTE]"We felt like Charles Smith got fouled a year before. Maybe things evened out."[/QUOTE]
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Such were the perks that came with having David Stern's darling Foolish jordon on your roster.
Fun fact, that crap call against the 93-94 Bulls was named the 7th worst sports call ever by ESPN.com in 2001:
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There is only one basketball call ranked higher (1972 Olympics ranked at #4), so that call 94 call on The Great Scott Pippen was basically seen as the worst call in NBA history in 2001.
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They will win a Champions Chip and a IST. Demar have too much self respect to get punched in the face by Chris Childs.
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1993 Finals
Bulls...... 106.7 PPG.... 113.0 ORTG
Suns...... 106.7 PPG.... 113.0 ORTG
^^^ could DeRozan average the 41/9/6 necessary to squeak out a win vs the juggernaut Suns???
Remember that Pippen shot 0% on threes and 59% FT for 46.9 true shooting overall, so he couldn't handle additional load
So it's more complicated than just adding any scorer to the Bulls because the GOAT scorer is required
They won 55 games without Jordan, you add an All-NBA player to that team? They definitely win the championship.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14956171]They won 55 games without Jordan, you add an All-NBA player to that team? They definitely win the championship.[/QUOTE]
Bingo
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14956171]They won 55 games without Jordan, you add an All-NBA player to that team? They definitely win the championship.[/QUOTE]
^^^ Says the shallow-thinking fan who never predicts anything right
Those Bulls had the quintessential one-off against sleeping opponents in 1994, while the "real" Bulls were historically-embarrassed in the 2nd Round and borderline .500 the following season before MJ returned
Pippen was never a "franchise player" that was asked to build a lottery team from scratch, and instead he was handed the keys to the most well-oiled machine ever in 94'.. It wasn't remotely surprising that once opponents woke up in the playoffs, Pippen was exposed and the "real" Bulls without MJ were borderline .500 before he returned in 95'... It's intuitive that any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty as we saw in 95'.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14956171]They won 55 games without Jordan, you add an All-NBA player to that team? They definitely win the championship.[/QUOTE]
bingo
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14956171]They won 55 games without Jordan, you add an All-NBA player to that team? They definitely win the championship.[/QUOTE]
True.
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[SIZE=5]Austin Reaves carried the Lakers over the Celtics last season when AD and Lebron were out:[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=5]^^^ That's what Pippen faced all year, so it wasn't a real 55 wins - the "real" Bulls were exposed in the playoffs and borderline .500 in 1995 before MJ returned.
Imagine if you're an opposing player and you think that you're facing the GOAT, so you circle your calendar and buy a bunch of tickets for family and friends... But then MJ suddenly retires, so now you're fielding uncomfortable calls from family members saying they can't make it... So the biggest game of your life just became a game that no one cares about and you now don't care about at all - that's what the 94' Bulls faced in the regular season (sleeping opponents), but they were appropriately exposed when opponents woke up in the playoffs and following season[/SIZE]
Scottie pippen was the most winning player in the 90s, not michael jordan.
[QUOTE=Axe;14957015]Scottie pippen was the most winning player in the 90s, not michael jordan.[/QUOTE]
It's a statistical fact that Pippen is the most carried teammate in NBA history, by far
There's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ and Pippen.... Pippen is similar to other winning sidekicks like Klay, Pau, Parker or Ginobili that only made All-NBA after winning some titles
And there's never been an all-time great that was actually just a dunker and transition player (low producer)
It's a statistical fact the Bulls won 55 games without Jordan.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14957017]It's a statistical fact the Bulls won 55 games without Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Anyone can do that against sleeping opponents, so it wasn't a real 55 wins.
Young fans don't realize how much of a one-off it was - it was never a big story in 1994 because everyone knew the bubble would burst in short order and it did... 30 years later, new fans look back and mistakenly think the Bulls had a stacked cast when they literally had the worst scoring help and cast in the league and got by via 3-peat chemistry vs sleeping opponents.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14957016]It's a statistical fact that Pippen is the most carried teammate in NBA history, by far
There's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ and Pippen.... Pippen is similar to other winning sidekicks like Klay, Pau, Parker or Ginobili that only made All-NBA after winning some titles
And there's never been an all-time great that was actually just a dunker and transition player (low producer)[/QUOTE]
1-9 says 'hold my beer'.
[QUOTE=Axe;14957019]1-9 says 'hold my beer'.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls won in 1988 because MJ entered his prime, [U]so it could've been any 7 ppg bum[/U], and it just happened to by Pippen - he was the lucky low-producer that landed alongside goat and was carried to 6 titles - the stats show that clearly - Pippen stunk and was carried.
If AD averaged Pippen's numbers, no amount of defense would stop people from removing him from HOF consideration and downgrading him to a regular player and not an all-timer... So you guys are just lying about Pippen - he's the most overrated player ever because he was carried to 6 titles... Do you realize that if Pippen, Klay, Pau, Parker and Ginobili never won titles, they would be considered regular players and not All-NBA??... There's tons of 15-20 ppg guys that never sniff All-NBA, and that's what all these guys would've been without Curry, Duncan and MJ carrying them to titles.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14957018]Anyone can do that against sleeping opponents, so it wasn't a real 55 wins.
Young fans don't realize how much of a one-off it was - it was never a big story in 1994 because everyone knew the bubble would burst in short order and it did... 30 years later, new fans look back and mistakenly think the Bulls had a stacked cast when they literally had the worst scoring help and cast in the league and got by via 3-peat chemistry vs sleeping opponents.[/QUOTE]
:pimp:
AD destroyed GOAT Jokic and led every series, while Pippen got destroyed by ordinary forwards like X-Man, Schrempf, Larry Johnson, Juwan Howard, Larry Nance, and many more forwards, while NEVER leading any series - he was always a secondary producer and mostly a dunker/transition player with the lowest clutch and 4th quarter stats of all-time.
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[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
The 94' Bulls weren't a real 55-win team by virtue of facing sleeping opponents, who woke up and exposed the "real" Bulls as 2nd Round losers and borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned.
Obviously, adding an All-NBA player to a borderline .500 team probably wouldn't even produce a conference finals or Finals, let alone a title or 3-peat.
Maybe chip. I'm not completely convinced Derozan would offset Dreams massive advantage over any Bulls big though. I couldn't see them not making the finals if you add demar instead of a d-league guy.
[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14957151]Maybe chip. I'm not completely convinced Derozan would offset Dreams massive advantage over any Bulls big though. I couldn't see them not making the finals if you add demar instead of a d-league guy.[/QUOTE]
The 94' Bulls weren't a real 55-win team, so the entire thread is moot.
The "real" Bulls were a 2nd Round loser and borderline .500 in 1995, so a .500 team won't even make the conference finals or Finals with Derozan, let alone win a title or 3-peat.
In the 93' Finals, the Bulls and Suns both averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ortg, so every ounce of Jordan's 41 ppg was needed, which means he's the only guy in history that could 3-peat with that team.. Btw, Pippen shot 0% on threes and 59% from the line, so his true shooting was only 46.9% and therefore he couldn't handle additional load.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14957174]The 94' Bulls weren't a real 55-win team, so the entire thread is moot.
The "real" Bulls were a 2nd Round loser and borderline .500 in 1995, so a .500 team won't even make the conference finals or Finals with Derozan, let alone win a title or 3-peat.
In the 93' Finals, the Bulls and Suns both averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ortg, so every ounce of Jordan's 41 ppg was needed, which means he's the only guy in history that could 3-peat with that team.. Btw, Pippen shot 0% on threes and 59% from the line, so his true shooting was only 46.9% and therefore he couldn't handle additional load.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot, historical record shows that the 94 Bulls were, in fact, a 55 win team. There's no such thing as a real or fake one. Results are set in stone. The Bulls were a 55 win team without Mj the 95 version wasn't even the same team without Grant, who apparently was a much more vital part of the teams makeup than anyone knew at the time. Ps, stop being stupid for attention.
[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14957203]You're an idiot, historical record shows that the 94 Bulls were, in fact, a 55 win team. There's no such thing as a real or fake one. Results are set in stone. The Bulls were a 55 win team without Mj the 95 version wasn't even the same team without Grant, who apparently was a much more vital part of the teams makeup than anyone knew at the time. Ps, stop being stupid for attention.[/QUOTE]
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Typical 3ball melting down.
mikey had pip
if pip had another pip hed win too
mikeys impact is pippen
scottie pippen was the most winning player in the 90s, not michael jordan.