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[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14937360]One of the biggest strengths KAJ, McHale and CP3 bring to the table is consistency. If the strategy is to avoid those wild swings in variance and put pressure on the other team by converting at a higher rate night after night. Wade fits that profile better than Bean. This is the issue more than lack of shooters.[/QUOTE]
Wade makes the shooting even worse, as much as I love him. Kareem is getting swarmed in the post on that team.
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[QUOTE=tpols;14937309]Seriously.
When it comes to these superstar teams so many people are overrating the spacing thing like you can't put up huge point totals with guys who are masters at 2pt scoring like the 80s didn't exist where teams averaged record amounts of points.
James Worthy, Chris Webber, Clyde Drexler etc. I believe all didn't get drafted. Some of these guys produced on waaaay higher efficiency than the 3pt spacer types taken.
Moses Malone is a top 15-20 GOAT and didn't even get drafted? Dr. J almost didn't either. The 1983 sixers are in contention for best team ever and those were their top guns. Sidney Moncrief didn't either. These were well rounded superstars.
It's crazy.[/QUOTE]
I did not hate the Middleton pick. He is a great complementary player. Definitely liked it more than Moncrief. No disrepect to Sid but these exercises invite a lot more participation when it is not bogged down by picking players most here never saw play.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14937362]Wade makes the shooting even worse, as much as I love him. Kareem is getting swarmed in the post on that team.[/QUOTE]
Forget spacing and 3pt shooting. What does it matter for this team? Their strength on offense is they will have lesser swings of variance in fg% from game to game. Would this team make it through 3 rounds of a playoff format against teams filled out with shooters taking a higher 3pa%? Very unlikely. But playing to their strength gives them a much better shot at winning 1 or even 2 rounds.
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Eddie Jones. At his peak he was about 38% from 3 on good volume and comfortably led the league in steals. Elite defender and transition beast. Great size/length
Final roster
G: Kyrie - Derrick White
G: Klay - Eddie Jones
F: Bird
F: Giannis - Malone
C: Ewing
Giannis won a ring with abysmal spacing and the worst 3pt% for a finals winning team since the 04 Pistons, so surrounding him with elite 3 point shooters and bigs with range would be disgusting.
Really good combination of shooting from all levels, rim-running, post-play, and transition. Defensively there's plenty of size and rim protection. Also have the flexibility to run a small ball lineup with Giannis at center depending on the matchup.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937398]Eddie Jones. At his peak he was about 38% from 3 on good volume and comfortably led the league in steals. Elite defender and transition beast. Great size/length
Final roster
G: Kyrie - Derrick White
G: Klay - Eddie Jones
F: Bird
F: Giannis - Malone
C: Ewing
Giannis won a ring with abysmal spacing and the worst 3pt% for a finals winning team since the 04 Pistons, so surrounding him with elite 3 point shooters and bigs with range would be disgusting.
Really good combination of shooting from all levels, rim-running, post-play, and transition. Defensively there's plenty of size and rim protection. Also have the flexibility to run a small ball lineup with Giannis at center depending on the matchup.[/QUOTE]
The Bucks shot nearly 39% from 3 on high volume the year they won a ring what are you talking about? Everyone in their rotation besides Giannis was at least competent from 3
I'll take Bosh with the last pick
Starting 5
Price
Wade
Tatum
AD
Hakeem
Bench
Dumars
Butler
Bosh
[QUOTE=RRR3;14937401]The Bucks shot nearly 39% from 3 on high volume the year they won a ring what are you talking about? Everyone in their rotation besides Giannis was at least competent from 3[/QUOTE]
They shot 32% for the entire playoff run.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937407]They shot 32% for the entire playoff run.[/QUOTE]
So? That's a much smaller sample size and you realize the spacing is still in effect because those shooters still get guarded even if they're bricking? No one is rotating out to Karl Malone or Ewing at the 3pt line
[QUOTE=RRR3;14937409]So? That's a much smaller sample size and you realize the spacing is still in effect because those shooters still get guarded even if they're bricking?[/QUOTE]
Except they weren't being guarded, go watch the tape. Giannis in the finals had atrocious spacing. Ayton camped in the paint all game. Had no reason to leave it.
You also didn't know Malone shot better on long 2s than MJ and peak Dirk. Got real quiet on that one. :lol
Peja
C DRob
F KG
F PG13
G Curry
G Luka
G Jrue
C D. Howard
F Peja
Staring lineup would be this:
Kyrie / Derrick White
Klay / Eddie Jones
Bird
Giannis
Malone / Ewing
I do think Malone provides more optimal spacing than Ewing on offense. Better passer too. Has the size to guard big men 1on1 alongside Giannis as a weak-side rim protector where he thrives.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937461]Staring lineup would be this:
Kyrie / Derrick White
Klay / Eddie Jones
Bird
Giannis
Malone / Ewing
I do think Malone provides more optimal spacing than Ewing on offense. Better passer too. Has the size to guard big men 1on1 alongside Giannis as a weak-side rim protector where he thrives.[/QUOTE]
Mm malone is only good vs people he can push and slap ball from. Any big with touch will just shoot over him. Malone at c isn’t wrong but considering these are all time cs, he’d have a hard time. Imo of course.
-Smak
Now at this spot I WOULD pick TJ McConnell, its an absolute travesty hes dopped this far, but just to keep the 2000s theme of my team, I will select the Glove, who's basically a worse version of TJ.
[video=youtube_share;P9ZFE0913xM]https://youtu.be/P9ZFE0913xM?si=1ft34JZk06M7avSM[/video]
My final team:
Steve Nash
Vince Carter
Tracy McGrady
Dirk Nowitski
Shaquille O'Neal
Gary Payton
Andrei Kirilenko
Shawn Marion
[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14937471]Mm malone is only good vs people he can push and slap ball from. Any big with touch will just shoot over him. Malone at c isn’t wrong but considering these are all time cs, he’d have a hard time. Imo of course.
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Idk, he shut down peak Duncan and Yao at age 40. Gave D-Rob fits as well
Strong as hell, great hands, great rebounder. I think Giannis compliments him well on that end.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937476]Idk, he shut down peak Duncan and Yao at age 40. Gave D-Rob fits as well
Strong as hell, great hands, great rebounder. I think Giannis compliments him well on that end.[/QUOTE]
We got the Giannis stopper
[video=youtube;5HBX5HNM6cI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBX5HNM6cI[/video]
And the Edwards stopper if Manny wants to take him.
[video=youtube;Rmf54dcksmE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmf54dcksmE&t[/video]
Found this tweet from 2023 season
[I]Players FG% when guarded by OG Anunoby this season:
Shai Gilgeous A. — 37.5%
Kevin Durant — 33.3%
Kawhi Leonard — 33.3%
Domantas Sabonis — 33.3%
James Harden — 30.0%
Bam Adebayo — 25.0%
Joel Embiid — 16.7%
Bradley Beal — 16.7%
Anthony Edwards — 0.0%
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Lol, OG is a beast. I took him in our last draft.
But Malone would wreak havoc on Embiid. If Horford could give him fits, Malone definitely could.
Something more recent
[url]https://streamable.com/d3rnof[/url]
Giannis is easily the least skilled superstar ever. If he can't find success simply putting his head down and barreling into the defense just hoping for the best, he has no plan B.
edit: this isn't me saying he isn't a top caliber player worth a 2nd round pick, I just hate watching him.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937484]Something more recent
[url]https://streamable.com/d3rnof[/url]
Giannis is easily the least skilled superstar ever. If he can't find success simply putting his head down and barreling into the defense just hoping for the best, he has no plan B.
edit: this isn't me saying he isn't a top caliber player worth a 2nd round pick, I just hate watching him.[/QUOTE]
Bill Russell is the least skilled ever. Giannis is pretty unique because he's a big man but plays like a guard or wing. His ball handling, passing, and driving are far superior to big men of the past, he just lacks the traditional skill set.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14937484]Something more recent
[url]https://streamable.com/d3rnof[/url]
Giannis is easily the least skilled superstar ever. If he can't find success simply putting his head down and barreling into the defense just hoping for the best, he has no plan B.
edit: this isn't me saying he isn't a top caliber player worth a 2nd round pick, I just hate watching him.[/QUOTE]
I've seen some old footage of Wilt and I gotta say some of his post moves looked pretty clumsy, but the NBA was in its early stages around that time, the skill in general for most players were not there yet. I've seen some footage of Dr. J and although he was a great athlete, his ball-handling seemed pretty bad.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937476]Idk, he shut down peak Duncan and Yao at age 40. Gave D-Rob fits as well
Strong as hell, great hands, great rebounder. I think Giannis compliments him well on that end.[/QUOTE]
He gave Drob a seizure haha. Drob doesn't know how to hold the ball up.
Look at who you are up against:
Jokic
Shaq
Hakeem
Kareem
Embiid (lol but he'd prol still work v Karl cuz he can shoot over)
Drob (depends on team, but in general, I think he'd do ok vs Malone for a whole game / series.)
I think your idea is to have Malone lean on people while Giannis comes over to help and contest, but I dunno how solid that is in practice when the front line consists of two all time greats. The only thing you can say is maybe Malone could flagrant some people and get them scared, but I dunno which one of those guys would get scared... maybe Embiid and Drob.
Edit: @ horford, dude is underrated as a defender and he has great shot blocking instincts. It's a little different. Malone isn't gonna jump at all. He's gonna hope he can strip you, but that's not something that will continually work.
-Smak
With my last pick I'm picking Alex Caruso, a perfect complimentary role player who's arguably the best perimeter defender of this generation who also shot 40% from 3 point
Final team
PG: Billups
SG: Ray
SF: Pippen
PF: Porzingis
C: Jokic
Bench
Barkley
Manu
Caruso
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Drob (depends on team, but in general, I think he'd do ok vs Malone for a whole game / series.)
-Smak[/QUOTE]
Malone destroyed Robinson in the playoffs on both ends.
But yeah, I mean, most of the guys mentioned are unstoppable anyways 1 on 1 regardless. But you're sleeping on Malones strength and IQ in the post. He would definitely bully Embiid.
I can make a realgm poll tomorrow morning if you guys want. Would do it now, but feeling tired.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14937486]Bill Russell is the least skilled ever. Giannis is pretty unique because he's a big man but plays like a guard or wing. His ball handling, passing, and driving are far superior to big men of the past, he just lacks the traditional skill set.[/QUOTE]
Bill Russell was a strong ball-handler, passer, and roll-and-cut finisher. He unfortunately played in an era that suppressed those offensive strengths. He was forced to take a lot of jump shots and post-up isolation plays which weren't his strengths. It helps to explain his scoring efficiency.
He's a 75% FG guy at the rim according to a 500-possession tracking sample from RealGM poster Dipper 13. There just weren't many good opportunities to get there for a guy with Bill's archetype because of the clogged paint and restrictive rules regarding dribbling, carrying, traveling, and offensive fouls (offensive players weren't allowed to anywhere near as physical as they are now).
Offensively, Bill in the modern game is an elite rim-runner who can handle the ball and pass like Joakim/Dray and slash like Ben Simmons/Giannis. He would lead the break and get 4-8 ppg from that alone. Add that to 13-15 ppg from rolling, cutting, face-up slashing, sealing, and put-backs. Add 6-8 assists and you've got a legitimate DHO/short-roll passing hub.
[quote]Imagine this guy today attacking the spaced-out paint today. When he's allowed to handle the ball like it's a football and take an extra step. That's a 6'11" in shoes guy with a standing reach and arm length to match Shaq, Wilt, etc.
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The obvious modern comparisons regarding that combination of size, athleticism, and ball handling that spring to mind are Kevin Garnett, David Robinson, and Giannis.[/quote]
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[video=youtube;iczA2u7-Wbs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iczA2u7-Wbs[/video]
Guys I'm honestly pretty surprised weren't taken
Harden
Dame
Jaylen
Ant
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14937495]Bill Russell was a strong ball-handler, passer, and roll-and-cut finisher. He unfortunately played in an era that suppressed those offensive strengths. He was forced to take a lot of jump shots and post-up isolation plays which weren't his strengths It helps to explain his scoring efficiency.
He's a 75% FG guy at the rim according to a 500-possession tracking sample from RealGM poster Dipper 13. There just weren't many good opportunities to get there for a guy with Bill's archetype because of the clogged paint and restrictive rules regarding dribbling, carrying, traveling, and offensive fouls (offensive players weren't allowed to anywhere near as physical as they are now).
Offensively, Bill in the modern game is an elite rim-runner who can handle the ball and pass like Joakim/Dray and slash like Ben Simmons/Giannis. He would lead the break and get 4-8 ppg from that alone. Add that to 13-15 ppg from rolling, cutting, face-up slashing, sealing, and put-backs. Add 6-8 assists and you've got a legitimate DHO/short-roll passing hub.
[video=youtube;bVR7rU6CkmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVR7rU6CkmI[/video]
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[video=youtube;JWelUNrJUMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM[/video]
This is one is good. It’s slightly clunky but I think he polishes it up for sure if he was bright up today. And of course the athleticism is outlier tier.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14937497]Guys I'm honestly pretty surprised weren't taken
Harden
Dame
Jaylen
Ant[/QUOTE]
I don’t even know the teams really but if it’s all time draft….idk dame and harden are nice of course but they both have their weaknesses. And depending on who’s voting you might not get alot of love for those two, especially harden.
Giannis and Bill have more in common than many would think. What do you think Antetokoumpo looks like in the '50s and '60s where he can't handle the ball like a football, take three steps, move laterally at all during those three steps, and shoulder charge guys?
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[QUOTE=warriorfan;14937499][video=youtube;JWelUNrJUMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM[/video]
This is one is good. It’s slightly clunky but I think he polishes it up for sure if he was bright up today. And of course the athleticism is outlier tier.[/QUOTE]
Prime Javale McGee could do this.
We done with the 60's!
[video=youtube;t47--3XpTAo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47--3XpTAo[/video]
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937501]Prime Javale McGee could do this.
We done with the 60's!
[video=youtube;t47--3XpTAo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47--3XpTAo[/video][/QUOTE]
Javale is one of the most athletic players to ever pick up a basketball
comparing him to bill russell is just shooting whatever argument you are trying to make in the foot
do you even think before you post? you are a weird dude
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14937504]Javale is one of the most athletic players to ever pick up a basketball
comparing him to bill russell is just shooting whatever argument you are trying to make in the foot
do you even think before you post? you are a weird dude[/QUOTE]
You are a weird dude for taking my post seriously.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937501]Prime Javale McGee could do this.
We done with the 60's!
[video=youtube;t47--3XpTAo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47--3XpTAo[/video][/QUOTE]
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I like Russell but for the guy to be such an athletic freak and still only manage like 14ppg on mediocre efficiency tells you he just wasn't skilled as a scorer. He should've been averaging 30 like wilt but severely lacked the coordination/fluidity with the basketball and touch. Just the type of stuff you can't teach.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14937504]Javale is one of the most athletic players to ever pick up a basketball [/QUOTE]
So along with KD, Klay, & Draymond. Curry had the benefit of playing with one of the most athletic players to ever pick up a basketball in Javale in 2017???
STACKED!!!
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937505]You are a weird dude for taking my post seriously.[/QUOTE]
When you post some pretty low iq shit all the time you can’t be shocked when someone doesn’t pick up on your “sarcasm”.
If you were an actual good poster who brought it legit all the time, yes it would click.
But tbh this was closer to your normal level of posting. I honestly couldn’t even tell you were trolling.
You flew too close to the sun, you partook in too much trolling, now you are nothing but a troll.
You made your bed. Now you gotta lie in it.
Javale and Deandre are actually great [i]size[/i] comparisons for Bill. But that's where it ends. Russell is on another level athletically; more like Hakeem/D-Robinson/Giannis/Kemp/Dwight/Amare. And skillset most comparable to Giannis regarding ball handling and passing.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14937507]So along with KD, Klay, & Draymond. Curry had the benefit of playing with one of the most athletic players to ever pick up a basketball in Javale in 2017???
STACKED!!![/QUOTE]
Athleticism does not equal how good you are at basketball
I know this is your coping mechanism because you talked about how you were obese as a child, and now you are still under six feet tall.
You were doomed with very subpar athletic genetics, but that isn’t what held you back from playing. Theres other factors such as intelligence and work ethic (you didn’t have any of these either because if you did you wouldn’t of let yourself get obese in the first place)
To sum it up even if you had athletic genes you have low iq and work ethic so you still would have not even been able to make JV.