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- 19.2 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.2 bpg, 2.6 topg
- 48.8% FG, 34.8% 3PT, 54.0% 2PT, 53.5% eFG, 80.9% FT, 59.2% TS
- 15.8 BPM
Inching closer to Anthony Davis' 17.24 BPM. Worth mentioning that AD was 19.27 years old when drafted; Cooper will be 18.5, so what he's doing for his age is remarkable. He'll be like one week older than LeBron when he was drafted.
Seems like the claims of his inability to shoot were premature.
This generation's JJ Reddick.
[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14970408]This generation's JJ Reddick.[/QUOTE]
Lol what? One of the more outlandish things I’ve ever seen said in ISH. Which obviously is saying something
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14970313]Cooper will be 18.5, so what he's doing for his age is remarkable. He'll be like one week older than LeBron when he was drafted.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a shame there isn't a better system to keep someone like Coop in college. One more year and he'd have polished his skillset even more. Instead he will likely struggle a bit with the physicality of the NBA and learn slower.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14970450]I think it's a shame there isn't a better system to keep someone like Coop in college. One more year and he'd have polished his skillset even more. Instead he will likely struggle a bit with the physicality of the NBA and learn slower.[/QUOTE]
Why? Flagg is already extremely polished and well-rounded. Literally the last guy I'd hold back from the pros. His biggest issue (shooting) is something that isn't going to benefit from staying in college. Cooper's playing like NPOY senior Shane Battier except he's a super-young freshman. Not as good of a shooter but a better playmaker.
Staying in college is most beneficial for players who are wet between the ears. This means decision-making, BBall IQ, and awareness. That's more in line with guys like Jaylen Green and Anthony Edwards. They'd have benefitted from the variety of lineups and defenses faced at the collegiate level.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14970470]Why? Flagg is already extremely polished and well-rounded. Literally the last guy I'd hold back from the pros. His biggest issue (shooting) is something that isn't going to benefit from staying in college. Cooper's playing like NPOY senior Shane Battier except he's a super-young freshman. Not as good of a shooter but a better playmaker.
Staying in college is most beneficial for players who are wet between the ears. This means decision-making, BBall IQ, and awareness. That's more in line with guys like Jaylen Green and Anthony Edwards. They'd have benefitted from the variety of lineups and defenses faced at the collegiate level.[/QUOTE]
Duncan stayed, MJ had two years, Bird had two years etc.
Poor circular logic. It's just a stupid idea. Cooper is way too developed already to waste an extra year in college. Staying in college is for the guys who have clear skill deficiencies and poor awareness, feel for the game, IQ, and decision-making.
There is nothing in Flagg's game that suggests he needs more time playing college ball.
Yeah there isn't any argument for Flagg to stay in school. :facepalm
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14970500]Duncan stayed, MJ had two years, Bird had two years etc.[/QUOTE]
times have changed
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14970500]Duncan stayed, MJ had two years, Bird had two years etc.[/QUOTE]
It's been said, but Flagg doesn't need any seasoning in a "how the game is played" sense. He has an extremely high BBIQ and there is nothing the college game is going to teach him at this point.
Guys like Ace Bailey and VJ Edgecombe are more so guys who'd benefit from staying in college. But even then, there's no guarantee they'd benefit because it ultimately comes down to the individual and their personality. It may just result in reinforcing bad habits because of the larger, primary role. Hero ball/ISO type of stuff.
Cooper with 24/6/5 in a 63 point defensive slugfest. Beast
Flagg going to be the biggest White American star since Larry Bird
[QUOTE=Manny98;14972651]Flagg going to be the biggest White American star since Larry Bird[/QUOTE]
Yep, I completely agree.
We also know what he will look like because we have Franz Wagner who plays almost exactly the same game, except is less mobile and less athletic and much worse on defense.
Coop is around 6-8 to 6-9 so he moves like a wing, but has length like a big man.
Probably will average something like 20-8-5 in his rookie season, then quickly hit 25-10-7-2-2 or something like that.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14972287]Cooper with 24/6/5 in a 63 point defensive slugfest. Beast[/QUOTE]
One of his most impressive games.
:applause:
He did it again. This ***** done flew the Coop and raised the Flagg!
:applause:
- 28 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 8/17 FG, 1/4 3PT, 11/13 FT
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14970918]Guys like Ace Bailey and VJ Edgecombe are more so guys who'd benefit from staying in college. But even then, there's no guarantee they'd benefit because it ultimately comes down to the individual and their personality. It may just result in reinforcing bad habits because of the larger, primary role. Hero ball/ISO type of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Ace Bailey does not need to stay in college for another year. He’s a better scorer than Flagg. What does another year in college do? Nothing.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14972891]Ace Bailey does not need to stay in college for another year. He’s a better scorer than Flagg. What does another year in college do? Nothing.[/QUOTE]
Never said he should.
He wouldn't benefit from staying because he's a low IQ player (0.9 apg, 2.2 topg, 5.9 AST%, 10.7 TO% vs. 29.7 USG%) and I don't think he has the personality to change those bad habits. He doesn't have a good [I]feel[/I] for the five-on-five game; he doesn't strike me as a guy who'll ever "get it." So what's the point?
And Flagg is the better scorer right now:
Flagg: 19.9 ppg (37.7 per 100), 59.3% TS
Bailey: 19.8 ppg (33.6 per 100), 54.6% TS
Scores more and on comfortably higher efficiency. The only aspect Ace is better at is perimeter shooting. Cooper's superior rim pressure and foul-drawing/free-throw shooting are too great of an advantage. And when you add the other aspects of offense it's a landslide in favor of Cooper.
Since his 18th birthday:
- 9 games played; 33.0 minutes per game
- 23.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.0 bpg, 3.2 tov
- 63.5% 2pt, 42.9% 3pt, 84.9% ft, 69.5% true shooting
Recent form is heavily in Flagg's favor. He's putting up monster stats in a lot of high-leverage games. The last two have been really impressive.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14972897]Never said he should.
He wouldn't benefit from staying because he's a low IQ player (0.9 apg, 2.2 topg, 5.9 AST%, 10.7 TO% vs. 29.7 USG%) and I don't think he has the personality to change those bad habits. He doesn't have a good [I]feel[/I] for the five-on-five game; he doesn't strike me as a guy who'll ever "get it." So what's the point?
And Flagg is the better scorer right now:
Flagg: 19.9 ppg (37.7 per 100), 59.3% TS
Bailey: 19.8 ppg (33.6 per 100), 54.6% TS
Scores more and on comfortably higher efficiency. The only aspect Ace is better at is perimeter shooting. Cooper's superior rim pressure and foul-drawing/free-throw shooting are too great of an advantage. And when you add the other aspects of offense it's a landslide in favor of Cooper.[/QUOTE]
Damn the glaze is real
[QUOTE=GOBB;14973028]Damn the glaze is real[/QUOTE]
Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973029]Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.[/QUOTE]
GOBB's black half resents all the white players.
Surprised ESPN hasnt offered him a job.
Nobody going lottery is going to stay in college first of all.
Secondly Flagg and Ace are somewhat opposit as players on offense. Flagg is certainly better but Ace is still a very good prospect, just a hard one to project. Flagg excels at the things Ace struggles with, scoring inside and playmaking. But Ace can do things on the perimeter that few players can do.
Ace has already improved on some of his bad habits relative to earlier in the season. It isnt that easy to get assists on that team. I have seen him make a lot of good passes that would have resulted in assists if not for the lack of talent he's playing with.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973029]Is it? I've watched both play many times thus far and Flagg is quite easily the better basketball player. Like it's really not close.[/QUOTE]
I never said he wasn’t the better basketball player. I said he was a better scorer and didn’t need another year in college as the other guy implied. By saying he has low IQ.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14973040]I never said he wasn’t the better basketball player. [B]I said he was a better scorer[/B] and didn’t need another year in college as the other guy implied. By saying he has low IQ.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. But even that is debatable.
He's a better pure shot maker, but he doesn't have the strength or touch to finish that well inside and he doesn't get to the line nearly like he should. Those are two big parts to scoring IMO.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14973044]Fair enough. But even that is debatable.
He's a better pure shot maker, but he doesn't have the strength or touch to finish that well inside and he doesn't get to the line nearly like he should. Those are two big parts to scoring IMO.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14973035]
Ace has already improved on some of his bad habits relative to earlier in the season. It isnt that easy to get assists on that team. I have seen him make a lot of good passes that would have resulted in assists if not for the lack of talent he's playing with.[/QUOTE]
0.9 assists in college projects as a bust, don't really need to know more.
Going to be a black hole, scorer of the bench kind of guy at best.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973083]0.9 assists in college projects as a bust, don't really need to know more.
Going to be a black hole, scorer of the bench kind of guy at best.[/QUOTE]
In other words you haven't watched any of his games. Very few of his assist worthy passes actually get converted.
FYI Durant averaged 1.3 assists in college.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14973085]In other words you haven't watched any of his games. Very few of his assist worthy passes actually get converted.
FYI Durant averaged 1.3 assists in college.[/QUOTE]
I think I've seen a mixtape, he's some kind of tall wing who can drive and shoot, but doesn't look like he'll be elite in either.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973093]I think I've seen a mixtape, he's some kind of tall wing who can drive and shoot, but doesn't look like he'll be elite in either.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. You have no clue.
Ace just dropped 37 with an 82% TS without Harper.
[video=youtube_share;2kQ8wOKO1Ss]https://youtu.be/2kQ8wOKO1Ss?si=f_2tdQh288oie29r[/video]
RJ Barrett
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973463]RJ Barrett[/QUOTE]
Ace shoots 3s 10% better than RJ did in college.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973463]RJ Barrett[/QUOTE]
No. RJ took his fair share of 3s in college but he was best as a slasher/finisher.
Still looks a lot like RJ Barrett.
I watched that clip and it's obvious he is a black hole, iso specialist.
If you want to be kind, you can compare to Melo.
Actually that is a good comparison except he is skinnier, but all these zoomers are lanky and weak.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973508]Still looks a lot like RJ Barrett.
I watched that clip and it's obvious he is a black hole, iso specialist.
If you want to be kind, you can compare to Melo.
Actually that is a good comparison except he is skinnier, but all these zoomers are lanky and weak.[/QUOTE]
Try actually watching a game. Then you won't sound so ridiculous.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14973510]Try actually watching a game. Then you won't sound so ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
You don't see the Melo, iso, stop play, jab step, shoot?
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973547]You don't see the Melo, iso, stop play, jab step, shoot?[/QUOTE]
No. Melo was known for his strength and a quick first step. Ace is known for neither. Melo used to bully guys all the time.
Ace is known for for shooting all kinds of jumpers, including movement 3s off the catch ala Klay. Melo not so much.
Ace is also a good shot blocker and lob threat. Moves well off the ball.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14973547]You don't see the Melo, iso, stop play, jab step, shoot?[/QUOTE]
Be honest. How many games have you watched of Ace Bailey? You talk like someone who is going off solely on stats and the highlight you saw? You are looking for any thing that supports what conclusion you drew up in your head from the stats you read online. It’s ok to say I haven’t watched this kid play a full game. And proceed to ask questions what you don’t know or are curious about to people who have. What’s hard about that? Lose the pride. You don’t know everything about everyone. No one does.