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Good lord what an unmitigated disaster.
Pelinka is still a shit GM. He has zero scouting ability. They have to have some sniper scouts in their front office to draft so well, but as far foster construction through established players, Pelinka is a joke.
And he got gifted Luka. We won’t even ****ing see Luka’s true potential. He’ll have different head coaches year after year and absolute shit for support.
This actually puts his on-court career back years. There was a build up in Dallas. They figured out a formula. Kidd, Kyrie, those athletic bigs, their sharp shooters.
It was a team naturally crafted around Luka. LA has no shooters, no roll bigs, no defenders, and no flexibility. This legitimately makes the entire NBA product worse, and for years.
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14974533][b][u]All you've done is argue braindead points[/b][/u] across multiple sports and [b][u]NEVER admit to being wrong[/b][/u]. You're the prideful idiot you're describing.[/QUOTE]
No.
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leLuka!!
raptors finna trade poeltl to the lakers and its a wrap. give us austin reaves and its a deal. good trade for both teams.
luka going to carry leGOAT to his 5th ring :oldlol:
So who's going to be ok playing second fiddle, Lebron or Luka? Or do neither accept that role, and we have a clash of egos?
I have to think Luka's got more leverage here.
Nico is a Lakers/Klutch double agent.
The press conference with J Kidd looked like a hostage video.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14974720]So who's going to be ok playing second fiddle, Lebron or Luka? Or do neither accept that role, and we have a clash of egos?
I have to think Luka's got more leverage here.[/QUOTE]
Shit, Lebron's been TRYING to apprentice AD for the alpha role for five years, but until this year Davis was never consistently assertive. Clearly wont be an issue with Doncic.
[QUOTE=999Guy;14974674]Good lord what an unmitigated disaster.
Pelinka is still a shit GM. He has zero scouting ability. They have to have some sniper scouts in their front office to draft so well, but as far foster construction through established players, Pelinka is a joke.
And he got gifted Luka. We won’t even ****ing see Luka’s true potential. He’ll have different head coaches year after year and absolute shit for support.
This actually puts his on-court career back years. There was a build up in Dallas. They figured out a formula. Kidd, Kyrie, those athletic bigs, their sharp shooters.
It was a team naturally crafted around Luka. LA has no shooters, no roll bigs, no defenders, and no flexibility. This legitimately makes the entire NBA product worse, and for years.[/QUOTE]
He’s the shit GM who completed the greatest trade of all time, completely under the radar.
I don't see Luka changing his attitude or his work-ethic in L.A. In my opinion, nothing changes. Only that L.A. has to deal with the headache now.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14974749]I don't see Luka changing his attitude or his work-ethic in L.A. In my opinion, nothing changes. Only that L.A. has to deal with the headache now.[/QUOTE]
what headache? what attitude?
luka was very liked by teammates, never clashed with anyone, even got along with Kyrie and got that dude happy... dude is a gym nut.
Youre making shit up, weirdo.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14974824]what headache? what attitude?
luka was very liked by teammates, never clashed with anyone, even got along with Kyrie and got that dude happy... dude is a gym nut.
Youre making shit up, weirdo.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
The toll road of denial is a long and dangerous one.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14974824]what headache? what attitude?
luka was very liked by teammates, never clashed with anyone, even got along with Kyrie and got that dude happy... dude is a gym nut.
Youre making shit up, weirdo.[/QUOTE]
There was obviously something going on or the Mavs wouldn't have launched him.
I agree with charles barkley's take
not sure how this works right now with lebron and luka both needing the ball. The lakers are worse off vs with Davis.
Lebron obv. has a no-trade clause so I doubt he gets traded
This is purely long-term investment but they need to sway Luka enough to sign the extension... this isnt a sign and trade.
With a day to think about this the worse it looks. This had to be an emotional/personal decision by someone high up with the Mavs.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14974934]With a day to think about this the worse it looks. This had to be an emotional/personal decision by someone high up with the Mavs.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Luka stands with Palestine.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14974910]There was obviously something going on or the Mavs wouldn't have launched him.[/QUOTE]
so why do you assume lukas personality was the problem? :lol
mysterious luka personality issues
Why wouldn't Dallas ask for Rui or Dalton?
[QUOTE=tontoz;14974934]With a day to think about this the worse it looks. This had to be an emotional/personal decision by someone high up with the Mavs.[/QUOTE]
How does this look worse? I mean they know they are not going to offer him the extension so they have to trade him. Who else could they have received and still stayed competitive?
AD is averaging 26/12 playing the 5.... if he goes back to the role he is comfortable with and having top tier PG, the Mavs are looking good.
The biggest downside is AD's contract. He's a UFA next year...
[QUOTE=rawimpact;14974948]How does this look worse? I mean they know they are not going to offer him the extension so they have to trade him. Who else could they have received and still stayed competitive?
AD is averaging 26/12 playing the 5.... if he goes back to the role he is comfortable with and having top tier PG, the Mavs are looking good.
The biggest downside is AD's contract. He's a UFA next year...[/QUOTE]
AD is 6 years older, injury prone, and prone to taking games off even when healthy. It was a running joke one year in the playoffs that he only showed up every other game. He is a second tier player.
Luka is the best player in Dallas franchise history, just led them to the Finals at age 25 and was a MVP finalist. Of course there is the fans to think about i am sure all Dallas fans feel completely betrayed.
If you aren't going to pay the supermax to Luka then who are you going to pay? The supermax was literally created for players like Luka. The Wizards signed Beal to the supermax lol.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14974952]AD is 6 years older, injury prone, and prone to taking games off even when healthy. It was a running joke one year in the playoffs that he only showed up every other game. He is a second tier player.
Luka is the best player in Dallas franchise history, just led them to the Finals at age 25 and was a MVP finalist. Of course there is the fans to think about i am sure all Dallas fans feel completely betrayed.
If you aren't going to pay the supermax to Luka then who are you going to pay? The supermax was literally created for players like Luka. The Wizards signed Beal to the supermax lol.[/QUOTE]
This is not a long term investment... he's a UFA next year. This is short-term Win-now move. This roster isn't going to be around in 4-5 years, especially if offering Luka the supermax. Dude is going to be making 62M on his third year... that's 1/3 the team. Then you have Kyrie becoming a UFA...
Yes the supermax was created to retain star players... but one can say Luka hasn't performed like a star player when it comes to his health. I know this is a recent thing with NBA stars being overweight, but the 2000s, 2010s never had this issue with health. Star players take care of their body... Luke has not. Hard to invest in someone who wont invest in themselves.
Every f[I]u[/I]cking time the lakers look like they're about to die they either sign a generational guy or fleece the f[I]u[/I]ck out of someone in a trade, kareem was a signing, shaq was a signing, pau gasol was a fleecing, lebron was a signing, davis was a fleecing, luka was a fleecing.
Is the league doing this shit only to drive viewership so more advertising money comes through? It's rigged as f[I]u[/I]ck.
[QUOTE=Duderonomy;14974943]Why wouldn't Dallas ask for Rui or Dalton?[/QUOTE]
Christie is good and will be good, probably better than both.
[QUOTE=rawimpact;14974953]This is not a long term investment... he's a UFA next year. This is short-term Win-now move. This roster isn't going to be around in 4-5 years, especially if offering Luka the supermax. Dude is going to be making 62M on his third year... that's 1/3 the team. Then you have Kyrie becoming a UFA...
Yes the supermax was created to retain star players... but one can say Luka hasn't performed like a star player when it comes to his health. I know this is a recent thing with NBA stars being overweight, but the 2000s, 2010s never had this issue with health. Star players take care of their body... Luke has not. Hard to invest in someone who wont invest in themselves.[/QUOTE]
Luka has been 1st team All NBA the last 4 years. The FEWEST games he's played in a season is 61. Hes been pretty durable and he's been a monster in the playoffs
If you really want to trade him then at least shop around for a better deal than this. It isnt just Mavs fans thinking this was a weak return.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14974969]Luka has been 1st team All NBA the last 4 years. The FEWEST games he's played in a season is 61. Hes been pretty durable and he's been a monster in the playoffs
If you really want to trade him then at least shop around for a better deal than this. It isnt just Mavs fans thinking this was a weak return.[/QUOTE]
Who is it you think they could've gotten instead of AD, while still remaining a championship contender? Giannis? Jokic? Shai?
Bet the supermax was a large factor. Doncic is worth supermax but if you can replace him with an elite player who you don't have to pay 70 mil per to that is a big deal if your team owners care about the money. Add in that he's got a work ethic more like Shaq's than Kobe's and there are a lot of valid reasons for Dallas to do this even though they got the older player with less upside.
Luka on the Lakers feels so tacky. He is young so like CP3 on the Clippers, he could mesh with the franchise and leave a big impression. But the Lakers absolutely suck unlike Lob City.
I’m still not even used to seeing LeBron as a Laker and won’t ever remember him as such.
Terrible for the league. The Mavericks franchise died on Saturday. Luka was the lineal ****ing superstar like Magic after Kareem or Kobe after Magic.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14974973]Who is it you think they could've gotten instead of AD, while still remaining a championship contender? Giannis? Jokic? Shai?[/QUOTE]
Bro it’s 2025, not 2020. There are young monsters around the league.
Sengun, Thompson, Garland, Mobley, Holmgrem, Jalen Williams, Wagner, Banchero.
Luka is enough to get any combo of these guys AND picks.
[QUOTE=bullettooth;14974957]Every f[I]u[/I]cking time the lakers look like they're about to die they either sign a generational guy or fleece the f[I]u[/I]ck out of someone in a trade, kareem was a signing, shaq was a signing, pau gasol was a fleecing, lebron was a signing, davis was a fleecing, luka was a fleecing.
Is the league doing this shit only to drive viewership so more advertising money comes through? It's rigged as f[I]u[/I]ck.[/QUOTE]
It’s becoming clear in my opinion.
This is the most forced and obvious move yet.
One thing I will say is they did veto the CP3 trade. So it’s not all Lakers, all the time. But the timing is suspicious.
It reeks of some corrupt deal.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14974973]Who is it you think they could've gotten instead of AD, while still remaining a championship contender? Giannis? Jokic? Shai?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Outside of Wemby, SGA, Jokic and Giannis there's nobody Dallas could've got better than AD. And none of those guys are available.
[QUOTE=999Guy;14974995]Bro it’s 2025, not 2020. There are young monsters around the league.
Sengun, Thompson, Garland, Mobley, Holmgrem, Jalen Williams, Wagner, Banchero.
Luka is enough to get any combo of these guys AND picks.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think a team like Orlando would give up their two young all star level forwards for Doncic who'd be a free agent after next season and could just leave?
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14974986]Bet the supermax was a large factor. Doncic is worth supermax but if you can replace him with an elite player who you don't have to pay 70 mil per to that is a big deal if your team owners care about the money. Add in that he's got a work ethic more like Shaq's than Kobe's and there are a lot of valid reasons for Dallas to do this even though they got the older player with less upside.[/QUOTE]
Obviously the super max is a huge deal, it's almost impossible to field a championship contender around anyone making 60-70 mill with how the cap works now.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14975011]Obviously the super max is a huge deal, it's almost impossible to field a championship contender around anyone making 60-70 mill with how the cap works now.[/QUOTE]
The current champ has two supermax players. But it is harder to make improvements once you hand out that money.
[QUOTE=999Guy;14974993]Luka on the Lakers feels so tacky. He is young so like CP3 on the Clippers, he could mesh with the franchise and leave a big impression. But the Lakers absolutely suck unlike Lob City.
I’m still not even used to seeing LeBron as a Laker and won’t ever remember him as such.
Terrible for the league. The Mavericks franchise died on Saturday. Luka was the lineal ****ing superstar like Magic after Kareem or Kobe after Magic.[/QUOTE]
Except it's completely different. The lakers just got a whole lot younger to essentially rebuild. The clippers were very young needing a vet. I think a lot of people are forgetting Lebron is no longer part of LA's future. Dude will be out in 2 years... that said, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 lakers have their first round drafts. When Lebron comes off the books, that's going to be a 50M salary dump. The timing could not have been better. Am I saying lakers are completely rebuilding from picks? No... lakers have never done this historically to win. But those picks and huge cap space allows them to obtain assets.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14974973]Who is it you think they could've gotten instead of AD, while still remaining a championship contender? Giannis? Jokic? Shai?[/QUOTE]
The only way to know is to talk to other teams which they didn't do. And i am not so sure about them being a title contender with AD and Irving as the two main guys. Their history speaks for itself. Luka getting traded could easily cause Irving to go back into flake mode and AD could go into sulk mode leaving LA.
If AD walks after next season then all they have to show for Luka is Christie and a 1st.
Davis seems willing to give this a shot. He waived his trade kicker so they're still able to make some improvements. Him and Irving have 2 or 3 years to win a ring. I don't think they will but if they stay healthy is not impossible.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975037]Davis seems willing to give this a shot. He waived his trade kicker so they're still able to make some improvements. Him and Irving have 2 or 3 years to win a ring. I don't think they will but if they stay healthy is not impossible.[/QUOTE]
Timing with the west being in shambles is prob. right for a WCF run. I doubt they get past the C's the next few years though.
[QUOTE=rawimpact;14975023]Except it's completely different. The lakers just got a whole lot younger to essentially rebuild. The clippers were very young needing a vet. I think a lot of people are forgetting Lebron is no longer part of LA's future. Dude will be out in 2 years... that said, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 lakers have their first round drafts. When Lebron comes off the books, that's going to be a 50M salary dump. The timing could not have been better. Am I saying lakers are completely rebuilding from picks? No... lakers have never done this historically to win. But those picks and huge cap space allows them to obtain assets.[/QUOTE]
Luka's been apart of a rebuild. Why would he want to do it again? He's gonna control his own destiny, I'm telling you. But we'll see.
The Lakers could pull off some magical shit but they are absolutely on the clock.
Luka was mentally ready to truly win an NBA finals series this year with Dallas. Being expected to scrap up a play in berth and then lose in the second round at best will sour him fast.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975022]The current champ has two supermax players. But it is harder to make improvements once you hand out that money.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's very hard to compete paying that much money to one player unless you have conditions for it that are just right.
[QUOTE]The only way to know is to talk to other teams which they didn't do. And i am not so sure about them being a title contender with AD and Irving as the two main guys. Their history speaks for itself. Luka getting traded could easily cause Irving to go back into flake mode and AD could go into sulk mode leaving LA.
If AD walks after next season then all they have to show for Luka is Christie and a 1st.[/QUOTE]
There was a rumor out there that they asked about Giannis and were turned down.
If Kyrie and AD wants to sulk instead of competing for an NBA championship then that's on them, they both have championship experience and know what it takes to win.
Dallas just got worse because relying on Kyrie + AD to stay healthy is a big gamble. Not to mention the team has no PG facilitator so even while they get better defensively, they get worse offensively. For LA, the move is also a lateral move at best given the poor Luka/Lebron fit but for them it's a long-term move. And honestly if they do keep Bron and can add a defensive C, they are better than they were. Probably still not enough to win it all but definitely not worse.
The only explanation for Dallas doing this is that Luka told them privately that he won't re-sign with them or they know something about his health that we and presumably the Lakers don't. I won't be shocked if Luka is much more motivated in LA, loses weight and plays better than he has recently. Wouldn't surprise me one bit!