The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley

[QUOTE=aj1987]How hard is it to understand simple English?

Wade and LeBron were 1a and 1b in 2011. Wade said that he was going to take a step back and let LeBron do his thing AFTER the 2011 season. He was still prime Wade and was pretty much the leader of the team along with LeBron.

Also [B]we're discussing their abilities[/B] as players and Wade was clearly the better player. He would've put up gaudy numbers if he didn't have to share the ball with LeBron.[/QUOTE]
No, I am talking about impact. Wade has Jordan abilities - but so what if he doesn't push the issue and doesn't take on the responsibility to win the game. He was not ready to step it up. In '11 Wade was shooting a lot better than he was in '06 from 2pt land and 3 pt land. The difference wasn't because he thought he was 1b. He took 40 less shots because he didn't take on the same responsibility. And responsibility was never equal to Rose's that year. Even his outlook was less.

[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]2011 Regular Season
Lebron
Dwight
Dirk
Durant
Kobe
Wade
All better than Froze.[/QUOTE]


Translation -

I just started watching basketball in 2013

how are people say lebron better than rose in 2011 ?

[QUOTE=Pointguard]No, I am talking about impact. Wade has Jordan abilities - but so what if he doesn't push the issue and doesn't take on the responsibility to win the game. He was not ready to step it up. In '11 Wade was shooting a lot better than he was in '06 from 2pt land and 3 pt land. The difference wasn't because he thought he was 1b. He took 40 less shots because he didn't take on the same responsibility. And responsibility was never equal to Rose's that year. Even his outlook was less.[/QUOTE]
Wade was playing with LeBron. LeBron and Bosh were taking a combined 32 shots per game. Wade went from being THE man on his team to sharing with LeBron. That's why I keep telling you look at their abilities as players. Not team success. Wade was still in his prime and putting up great numbers (while giving up the ball a LOT to LeBron and Bosh). Do you honestly think that two guys like Wade and LeBron would co-exist with both of them demanding 20 shots a game and demanding the ball every possession to make plays. Both players sacrificed and it actually helped the team after they started gelling a bit (until LeBron's implosion in the Finals).

This is the reason why I asked to you imagine Wade in Rose's place. Wade on the Bulls and Rose on the Heat. Wade would still be the clear cut alpha. Not a co-alpha like he was on the Heat.

Anyways, this discussion is going nowhere. We're just repeating ourselves. Lets just agree to disagree.

This idiot really saying Wade was a beta in 2011? On what ****ing planet were Wade's numbers beta? On what ****ing planet is 26.5/7/5/2/2 on 55%FG in the NBA ****ING FINALS beta? He played better than the Finals MVP for god's sake. I actually like Rose but what the hell? Dude wasn't even close to Wade in 2011. And then I see people bringing up the Chicago series acting like despite struggling he didn't step up in the clutch? We going to act like he didn't tear the Celtics a new one? Wade and LeBron were the definition of 1a and 1b that year. My lord, the disrespect of Wade is ridiculous. The previous year he took a shit team to the playoffs and put up 33 PPG on 56%FG so lets' not act like Wade's numbers were attributed to LeBron because if anything it was a hindrance to his bulk stats.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]No, I am talking about impact. Wade has Jordan abilities - but so what if he doesn't push the issue and doesn't take on the responsibility to win the game. He was not ready to step it up. [B]In '11 Wade was shooting a lot better than he was in '06 from 2pt land[/B] and 3 pt land. The difference wasn't because he thought he was 1b. [B]He took 40 less shots[/B] because he didn't take on the same responsibility. And responsibility was never equal to Rose's that year. Even his outlook was less.[/QUOTE]

This is just so blatantly false.

And this is just so stupid as an argument.

[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]This idiot really saying Wade was a beta in 2011? On what ****ing planet were Wade's numbers beta? On what ****ing planet is 26.5/7/5/2/2 on 55%FG in the NBA ****ING FINALS beta? .[/QUOTE]

Because he conceded first option to lebron.

Because he conceded clutch/last second shot to Lebron..

Because he conceded the majority of shots/possesion to Lebron..

Because defenses were more concerned with lebron than wade all year..

Because he was allowed a series before the finals to happen where he scored 19 ppg on sub 50TS shooting and allowed lebron(and bosh) to carry his ass to the finals..



Yea he scored well in the finals.. on limited shot attempts in single coverage with terrible closing? So what? Does that negate the fact that he was second option all along? Does that negate the fact that rose himself shut him down in their only head to head series??

Wade stepped down in 2011 compared to his traditional roles in 2009 and 2010.. he was a 'beta'. Rose was an alpha one many offensive star on his team.. and stepped up more individually than wade did.. while he coasted and waited for all the rings promised to him for joining the big 3.

When i thought this forum couldn't get any dumber (cause of that Knicks fan) the Bulls fans step up their game.

Hypothetically if wade didnt have to share the ball with lebron, he would have been better than rose argument.

21 points 4 assists 7/12 vs 27 points 7 assists 12/7. Wade played better?

[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]2011 Regular Season
Lebron
Dwight
Dirk
Durant
Kobe
Wade
All better than Froze.[/QUOTE]
lol this bitch....let the adults talk...k? Go play with yo barbie's Ph^ggot

[QUOTE=FPJ]When i thought this forum couldn't get any dumber (cause of that Knicks fan) the Bulls fans step up their game.[/QUOTE]



What team do you root for??


Or let me guess, what player do you follow and would take a bullet for?

In 3-4 years there's going to be a lot of people right or wrong about Andrew Wiggins and then we can bump those funny threads too. He might put up 23/5/3 or he might put up 6/3/3.

But Beasley isn't a bad scorer and he's an excellent rebounder. He just sucks defensively and plays stupid. Truthfully he impacts the game as well as Dion Waiters.

[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]This idiot really saying Wade was a beta in 2011? On what ****ing planet were Wade's numbers beta? On what ****ing planet is 26.5/7/5/2/2 on 55%FG in the NBA ****ING FINALS beta?
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If you don't know what the word means then don't upset about it. Elvin Hayes admitted he wasn't a leader 26 and 16 in the playoffs. Julius Irving 35/13/5/2 steals 2 blocks per game, shot 54% won the championship ABA and the poster GOAT posted a statement here heavily suggesting that he admitted he wasn't a leader. If you don't know you just don't know.

Beta is an attitude. No way in hell does a perimeter Alpha shoot 60% like Shaq and figures its best for his team to get slaughtered without shooting more than 18 shots per game. He didn't even think it was his responsibility to shoot more. When Dallas saw that Lebron wasn't in it to win it they didn't go extra hard at Wade. He wasn't their concern because he self imposed a cap and wasn't going to push the issue like an Alpha. Sorry, he had second or third best player numbers, but you gotta show some serious fight for the second or third best player.

[QUOTE=TheNaturalWR]
This is just so blatantly false.

And this is just so stupid as an argument.
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Are you illiterate? Don't understand numbers?? but worse than that you are lazy on top of it. You use words that you don't know what they mean, and then numbers are obviously over your head. And then you are going to call people names.

So I will help you out.

In 06 Wade shot 48% from two And 27% from three.
In '11 Wade shot 61% from two and 30% from three.

You think its blatantly false to say that he shot better in 2011???? Really?
And he shot 30 more times in 2006.

it is the biggest compliment to Derrick Rose when people are shitting on him for not taking out chris bosh, Lebron james and Dwyane Wade in his 3RD YEAR!!!!

dont you see how ridiculous this is... this guy was 21 years old!!!! and you want him to conquer the league already, it just speaks to the expectations you have of him

This is the same as Jordan and Kobe fans getting on lebron for not winning it all in his 4th year!

Hilarious, continue to tell me how a 21 year old is "froze" cause he didnt beat 2 top 20 players and another HOF'er

LOL

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]

Hilarious, continue to tell me how a 21 year old is "[B]froze[/B]" cause he didnt beat 2 top 20 players and another HOF'er

LOL[/QUOTE]

he wasnt even froze, he kept shooting the ball like a boss even though he was missing.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]he wasnt even froze, he kept shooting the ball like a boss even though he was missing.[/QUOTE]


It used to bug me but now I realize who gives a shit what these users say
Idc if they have the biggest green bar, if they joined in 2001 and have 60,000 posts

Their opinion on the NBA generates the same amount of money per year as mine

0 dollars

I feel like this isn't about b easy anymore

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]it is the biggest compliment to Derrick Rose when people are shitting on him for not taking out chris bosh, Lebron james and Dwyane Wade in his 3RD YEAR!!!!

dont you see how ridiculous this is... this guy was 21 years old!!!! and you want him to conquer the league already, it just speaks to the expectations you have of him

This is the same as Jordan and Kobe fans getting on lebron for not winning it all in his 4th year!

Hilarious, continue to tell me how a 21 year old is "froze" cause he didnt beat 2 top 20 players and another HOF'er

LOL[/QUOTE]
Yeah its the Rose standard. He is supposed to be the superior player.