Phil Jackson: Rodman is the greatest athlete I've ever coached

[QUOTE=Godfather]Just a little off topic here, but who do you believe was a superior athlete MJ or Shaq?
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If you consider size part of athleticism, then Shaq.

And yeah, I think Kobe is (or at least was) more athletic than Rodman, but at the very least Rodman is not more athletic than MJ and Shaq.

[QUOTE=Loki]This is all basically bullsh!t. Sorry.

Rodman isn't nearly the athlete Jordan was. It has nothing to do with hand size. If, as has been said in this topic, Rodman is as fast or faster, has as good or better a vertical leap, and elite body control, he should be able to do that Jordan dunk and many other plays of his. The fact that he not only [b]didn't[/b] do them, but that we [b]can't even concieve of him doing them[/b] is an indictment of this ridiculous stance that Rodman > Jordan as an athlete.

Like I said, Rodman couldn't even do a simple two-handed dunk (no contortion) from where Jordan did it. So basically, this is all nonsense.[/QUOTE]
the reason why most people cant glide from the ft line is not because of their hangtime, it because you must palm the ball in order to be able to tourque your body and still control it. not solely because of hangtime. and in order to be able to contort your body and still control the ball, you have to have big hands. you should know that.

[QUOTE=Loki]More bullsh!t. Just keep yapping and making no sense. :oldlol: It's not offense I'm judging him on, it's his (in)ability to make athletic plays on the level he should be able to if he were truly the cream of the crop.[/QUOTE]

you say its not offense and yet i believe in every one of your posts you use either a dunk, an acrobatic move to the basket, or a dribble in order to try to prove your point. stop contradicting yourself rook.

[quote=97 bulls]you say its not offense and yet i believe in every one of your posts you use either a dunk, an acrobatic move to the basket, or a dribble in order to try to prove your point. stop contradicting yourself rook.[/quote]

lol @ you calling Loki a rook...You have just induced paragraphs of intelligent rebuttal.

[QUOTE=Loki]This is all basically bullsh!t. Sorry.

Rodman isn't nearly the athlete Jordan was. It has nothing to do with hand size. If, as has been said in this topic, Rodman is as fast or faster, has as good or better a vertical leap, and elite body control, he should be able to do that Jordan dunk and many other plays of his. The fact that he not only [b]didn't[/b] do them, but that we [b]can't even concieve of him doing them[/b] is an indictment of this ridiculous stance that Rodman > Jordan as an athlete.

Like I said, Rodman couldn't even do a simple two-handed dunk (no contortion) from where Jordan did it. So basically, this is all nonsense.[/QUOTE]
first im not saying that rodan is a better athlete than jordan. but i really dont see a difference. jordan had all the physical tools to be a great basketball player. theres track and field athletes that cant do what jordan does on a basketball court are you gonna say jordan is a better athlete because of that? hell bo jackson is light years ahead of jordan as an athlete and he said he couldnt play basketball. your reasoning is assinine.

[QUOTE=Godfather]lol @ you calling Loki a rook...You have just induced paragraphs of intelligent rebuttal.[/QUOTE]
get of his nuts ill call anybody i want a rookie if they making rookie mistakes:pimp:

[QUOTE=97 bulls]the reason why most people cant glide from the ft line is not because of their hangtime, it because you must palm the ball in order to be able to tourque your body and still control it.[/QUOTE]

Funniest line I've read all day. :roll:

[QUOTE=97 bulls]the reason why most people cant glide from the ft line is not because of their hangtime, it because you must palm the ball in order to be able to tourque your body and still control it. not solely because of hangtime. and in order to be able to contort your body and still control the ball, you have to have big hands. you should know that.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about a simple two-handed dunk from where Jordan took off from in the video I posted -- not even one where he contorts his body like Jordan did. You don't need to be able to palm the ball to do that. Rodman probably couldn't even do a one-handed dunk from that distance.

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you say its not offense and yet i believe in every one of your posts you use either a dunk, an acrobatic move to the basket, or a dribble in order to try to prove your point. stop contradicting yourself rook.[/quote]

Tell me something that displays athleticism, then. And [b]elite[/b] athleticism. What, jumping quickly multiple times for a rebound? Sorry, but no. He didn't get off the ground any faster on his initial or second jumps than lots of other players. What he had was a nose for the ball and sheer desire and energy. Rodman also wasn't a guy who snatched rebounds high over trees very often, so I'm not sure where you got that from.


It's amazing that somebody can be this dense. Point blank: anyone who thinks that Rodman is an equal athlete to Jordan or Shaq (much less better) is deluding themselves. Show me Rodman catching an alley-oop with his entire hand above the square -- oh wait, that's "offense" too. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Chalkmaze]Funniest line I've read all day. :roll:[/QUOTE]
let me rephrase it for people that need to be spoon fed. for those players that have the ability to jump that far you also need to be able to hold the ball in your hand. otherwise its not a dunk. theres plenty of players that can get there just not with the ball.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]theres track and field athletes that cant do what jordan does on a basketball court are you gonna say jordan is a better athlete because of that?[/QUOTE]

More nonsense. Any professional long or high-jumper 6'3" or better can dunk from where Jordan did. Rodman can't. Any professional sprinter can outrun Jordan on the court; Rodman couldn't.

Keep throwing out non-sequiturs, though. It seems that's all you're good for.

[QUOTE=Loki]I'm talking about a simple two-handed dunk from where Jordan took off from in the video I posted -- not even one where he contorts his body like Jordan did. You don't need to be able to palm the ball to do that. Rodman probably couldn't even do a one-handed dunk from that distance.



Tell me something that displays athleticism, then. And [b]elite[/b] athleticism. What, jumping quickly multiple times for a rebound? Sorry, but no. He didn't get off the ground any faster on his initial or second jumps than lots of other players. What he had was a nose for the ball and sheer desire and energy. Rodman also wasn't a guy who snatched rebounds high over trees very often, so I'm not sure where you got that from.


It's amazing that somebody can be this dense. Point blank: anyone who thinks that Rodman is an equal athlete to Jordan or Shaq (much less better) is deluding themselves. Show me Rodman catching an alley-oop with his entire hand above the square -- oh wait, that's "offense" too. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol your right you just used another offensive play as your argument. (and people wonder why im calling you a rookie) just because a guy can dunk better doesnt mean he a better athlete.

let me ask you a question loki. who came first jordan or GOD. or maybe your an atheist. well you cant be an atheist because you worship jordan.

[QUOTE=Loki]More nonsense. Any professional long or high-jumper 6'3" or better can dunk from where Jordan did. Rodman can't. Any professional sprinter can outrun Jordan on the court; Rodman couldn't.

Keep throwing out non-sequiturs, though. It seems that's all you're good for.[/QUOTE]
where did i say "dunk"? and once again please post jordans and rodmans 40 time cuz i cant find them or a race between the two

[QUOTE=97 bulls]lol your right you just used another offensive play as your argument. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, an offensive play that takes absolutely no skill. If Rodman was an elite athlete, I'm sure that ONE TIME in a 13 year career he would have caught an alley-oop from way up. But he didn't. Funny how that works, huh.

B..b..but he jumped 4 times consecutively for a rebound! OMG GOAT ATHLETE !!!!!11one :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=97 bulls]where did i say "dunk"?[/QUOTE]

You're just obtuse and obstinate. I'm done. Enjoy your delusions.

directly the interview, pj defines "athleticism" as:

[I] “He could probably play a 48-minute game and play the 48th minute stronger than the first minute of the game,” Jackson told the crowd at UND. “He was that terrific an athlete.”[/I]

so, could this be interpreted as the ability to play stronger at the end of a game when everyone else is spent?

i was always amazed at rodman's ability to stop the best players and throw them off their game. he was the one guy that gave magic fits because of his combined length, quickness and strength. dennis was an extremely heady player on the court