Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Zone Defense is a Lie and it`s piece of cake for players whom have extreame Basketball IQ, court vision, passing game and fundamentals...whom can break that with ease. Just look at the 92 Dream Team and 96 Team for that[/B][/QUOTE]

You're right, the whole league is just stupid today. There is not one good, smart player in the league today who is able to dominate the league.

Nice comparison, using the Dream Teams. Competition for them in the Olympics sure was as tough as the NBA today.

You are dense.

There is such thing as natural progression. Through watching previous generations the next generation is naturally going to be better then the next. That doesn't mean that each player is a great, though they are generally more well equiped then the previous generation.

[QUOTE=Godfather]I am talking about a standard NBA team today with its star player replaced with a star from the past (lets take DWade and replace him with Gervin), how do you think the Miami Heat would then fair?[/QUOTE]

It's impossible to realistically tell if the 06 Heat would win the title with any other player in NBA history -- several of the games were extraordinarily close. However, there's no reason to say Gervin couldn't do it. Gervin's incredible production carried over to the playoffs. He was extraordinarily consistent. He [B]averaged[/B] 50.8% in the playoffs. The only thing that Wade is clearly better at is going to the stripe -- he's had seasons of 9-10 FTAs a game, compared to Gervin's 6-7.

I also enjoy how you use Wade for this purpose, a player who makes a living off penetration and doesn't have much trouble with zones (one of the most efficient guards in the league and who will probably either go down as an all time great or the Bill Walton of SGs).

[QUOTE=inclinerator]POSTING PICS DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING that doesnt mean they are stronger than lebron okay. Stop your kissing ass to oldies.[/QUOTE]

[B]They are stronger that is why they can play in the PF spot. They can rebound in the Post not away from the Post. Lebron is strong don`t get me wrong but he would not like to mess with guys like Charles Oakley, Barkley, Mason, Kevin Willis, Otis Thorpe, Derrick Coleman, Sampson etc[/B]

[B]If you messed with Barkley you get this[/B] :confusedshrug:

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=SpoAqEbxS18[/url]

[B]And George Gervin would average 30-35 PPG for more than 6 season in todays game at over 50% FG. He is by far a Better Inside Mid Range Shooter than Bryant, Has More Range, 6`7ft tALL!, Quick, Athletic Enough and especially: MORE TALENTED-SKILLED-RICH IN FUNDAMENTALS than 99% of the SGs of today.[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=dWqyvOGQ7MI&feature=related[/url]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]They are stronger that is why they can play in the PF Post. They can rebound in the Post not away from the Post. Lebron is strong don`t get me wrong but he would not like to mess with guys like Charles Oakley, Barkley, Mason, Kevin Willis, [COLOR="Red"]Otis Thorpe[/COLOR], Derrick Coleman, Sampson etc[/B]

[B]If you messed with Barkley you get this[/B] :confusedshrug:

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=SpoAqEbxS18[/url][/QUOTE]

Otis Thorpe? You're kidding me, I'm probably stronger than him

Zo, Ben Wallets, Amare, Shaq, Brand, Howard, Okafor, Oden, Maxiell could all mix it with those dudes Sir Charles. There is probably more.

[QUOTE=plowking]You're right, the whole league is just stupid today. There is not one good, smart player in the league today who is able to dominate the league.

Nice comparison, using the Dream Teams. Competition for them in the Olympics sure was as tough as the NBA today.

You are dense.

There is such thing as natural progression. Through watching previous generations the next generation is naturally going to be better then the next. That doesn't mean that each player is a great, though they are generally more well equiped then the previous generation.[/QUOTE]

[B]False things can evolve to worst too [U]especially if you are trying to create more Jordan`s like Mr Stern has done in making it easier to play and score for perimter players and also avoid the contact of the natural Frontline = In Today`s Game Puss*******ies Allowed to Play[/U]. Jordan, Malone, Stockton where healthy in the NBA at ages 35-40 and they kept schooling 85% of the Players in the league at a blink of an eye.

Barkley against Shaq-Bryant-Horry-Rice etc at age 36 nearly...with chronic back and knee injueries averaged 23.5 PPG; 13.8 RPG, 3.8 APG and shooting close to 53% from the FG. Major Schooling done by a player that could hardly move or leap agains the following year NBA Champions:confusedshrug:

Even Jordan said the NBA`s game had gone down from his time. Magic came back in 95-96 after not playing Pro for 4-5 years and had way better numbers than half of the whole league at only 29 MPG as a Point-Powerforward (not even as a PG) . He even had a triple double in his 1st game after being out for 4-5 seasons:[/B]

[B]Comeback 95-96[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_WVS2zpJBDI&feature=related[/url]

[B]36 year old MAGIC Schooling Zo`s Miami Heat 95-96 (27 Points, 9 Rebounds, 9 Assits)[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLezfSvv4E[/url]

:bowdown:

[B]There is also a clip somewhere in youtube can`t find it where he talks to a reporter on how the game`s level had gone down since his retirement (expacting the obvious down fall in talent-fundamentals-skills-passing-bball Iq etc that was to come) :oldlol: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]False things can evolve to worst too [U]especially if you are trying to create more Jordan`s like Mr Stern has done in making it easier to play and score for perimter players and also avoid the contact of the natural Frontline = Puss*******ies Allowed[/U]. Jordan, Malone, Stockton where healthy in the NBA at ages 35-40 and they kept schooling 85% of the Players in the league at a blink of an eye.

Barkley against Shaq-Bryant-Horry-Rice etc at age 36 nearly...with chronic back and knee injueries averaged 23.5 PPG; 13.8 RPG, 3.8 APG and shooting close to 53% from the FG. Major Schooling done by a player that could hardly move or leap agains the following year NBA Champions:confusedshrug:

Even Jordan said the NBA`s game had gone down from his time. Magic came back in 95-96 after not playing Pro and had way better numbers than half of the whole league at only 29 MPG as a Point Powerforward (not even as a PG) . He even had a triple double in his 1st game after being out for 4-5 seasons:[/B]

[B]Comeback 95-96[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_WVS2zpJBDI&feature=related[/url]

[B]Schooling the Miami Heat 95-96[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLezfSvv4E[/url]

:bowdown:

[B]There is also a clip where he talks to a reporter on how the game`s level had gone down since his retirement (expacting the obvious down fall in talent-fundamentals-skills-passing-bball Iq etc that was to come) :oldlol: [/B][/QUOTE]

Wait former players are saying their era was better? Well its settled. There we have it people, we needed one solid bit of information and we have it right here.

[QUOTE=G-train]Zo, Ben Wallets, Amare, Shaq, Brand, Howard, Okafor, Oden, Maxiell could all mix it with those dudes Sir Charles. There is probably more.[/QUOTE]

[B]I don`t see them messing with Shaq :confusedshrug: [/B]

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[QUOTE=plowking]Wait former players are saying their era was better? Well its settled. There we have it people, we needed one solid bit of information and we have it right here.[/QUOTE]

[B]Wrong...Magic just said the truth he wasn`t makin fun of anybody he just said the level of game competition, IQ-Ball, Passing Game, Skills had gone down since the 80s.

If i was Zo and Tim Hardaway (both PRIME!) I would have commited suicide if a 36 year old man that[U] has not played 4-5 years in the NBA [/U] just returns [U]playing another position (from PG to PF)[/U] and does this to my team at home[/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603270MIA.html[/url]

:eek: :pimp: :oldlol: :bowdown: :rockon: :cheers:

[QUOTE=Manute for Ever!]Otis Thorpe? You're kidding me, I'm probably stronger than him[/QUOTE]

Let's play word association with Joe Dumars (Psst, look under strongest):

[url]http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/word_association_team.html[/url]


Let's play word association regarding Manute For Ever: "Doesn't Do His Homework. :no:


[IMG]http://clutchfans.net/images/profiles/Otis_Thorpe.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]80's is the strongest era in NBA history so why he'd average even less points?[/QUOTE]

Because the game was played at a faster tempo. A lot faster.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]I don`t see them messing with Shaq :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

I dont care if want to argue about the 80's being a more talented era, but you have ZERO argument that the players were stronger in the 80's than they are today.

And yes I have seen Alonzo Mourning 'messing' with Shaq.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Wrong...Magic just said the truth he wasn`t makin fun of anybody he just said the level of game competition, IQ-Ball, Passing Game, Skills had gone down since the 80s.

If i was Zo and Tim Hardaway (both PRIME!) I would have commited suicide if a 36 year old man that[U] has not played 4-5 years in the NBA [/U] just returns [U]playing another position (from PG to PF)[/U] and does this to my team at home[/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603270MIA.html[/url]

:eek: :pimp: :oldlol: :bowdown: :rockon: :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Basketball IQ is the most overrated thing I've heard. If this guy had better BBall IQ he'd be awesome... :rolleyes:

Furthermore how have skills decreased? Passing is still a strong facet of the game with guards like Nash, Paul, Deron, Calderon. The number they average with the slowed down pace of the game is on par with that of previous generations.

The only reason things like FG have gone down for wing players is due to zone defense. They are forced to take outside jumpers. Of course there are going to be less made shots.

[QUOTE=G-train]I dont care if want to argue about the 80's being a more talented era, but you have ZERO argument that the players were stronger in the 80's than they are today.

And yes I have seen Alonzo Mourning 'messing' with Shaq.[/QUOTE]

[B]A center wow :rolleyes: did he pick him up and throw him to the ground?:confusedshrug:[/B]

[B]The NBA`s level decrease after 1992 its a fact, then again in 1996 and beyond that its just hilarious:confusedshrug: [/B]

[B]By the way the league had more pace in the 80s because players had way more Full Court B_Ball IQ (knew how to move in the cout) and actually had a Passing Game.[/B]