Kobe Bryant scores 61 points against Knicks in Madison Square Garden

this jordan kobe stuff takes the piss its neverending

im really anoyed i missed the game last night. beastage by kobe. still the best scorer and imo best player in the leauge. but their is no way that a rational fan can be serious when arguing kobe<jordan. its just not true. kobes kobe and hes the best guard of this era leave it at that

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Sure. Showtime posted:



You said in response:



[B]Rather than admitting that Kobe is nowhere near the playoff performer/scorer that Jordan is (which he isn't), you tried to obfuscate and make excuses. [/B] You made it sound like Showtime would realize that they're not that far apart if only he could grasp "the totality of Kobe's playoff performances" like you have. :oldlol:

Again, Kobe has only had one playoff series in his [b]entire career[/b] that exceeds Jordan's career playoff [b]average[/b] (35.0 ppg vs. MJ's 33.4 ppg career average). Kobe's [b]best[/b] [u]single series[/u] average (35.0 ppg) is basically Jordan's [b]111 game, 9 season playoff average[/b] upon retirement in 1993 (34.8 ppg).

Tell me again how he's comparable as a playoff scorer. And if, based on the above, you concede that he's not (as any sane person would in the face of such overwhelming evidence), then please state so unequivocally. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Nope, not true and I don't see how you infer that. I never made this a comparison between MJ and Kobe's playoff stats -- that would not make any sense.

You seem to have a hard time comprehending that I can make a statement about Kobe that is independent of MJ. My analysis of Kobe's playoff stats is based solely on what Kobe Bean Bryant has done on the court.

Any kid with a computer and an internet connection can tell you that Michael Jordan has better playoff stats than Kobe -- that history is written.

[QUOTE=chopchop20]Nope, not true and I don't see how you infer that. I never made this a comparison between MJ and Kobe's playoff stats -- that would not make any sense.

You seem to have a hard time comprehending that I can make a statement about Kobe that is independent of MJ. My analysis of Kobe's playoff stats is based solely on what Kobe Bean Bryant has done on the court.

Any kid with a computer and an internet connection can tell you that Michael Jordan has better playoff stats than Kobe -- that history is written.[/QUOTE]

You clearly fail at reading comprehension. I'll post the two relevant sentences again:

[quote=Showtime]Since others are bringing up the subject, if Kobe is on par with MJ in terms of scoring, then why can't he dominate the playoffs like he dominates occasional regular season teams?[/quote]

[quote=chopchop20]Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances.[/quote]

Explain to me again how your response has nothing to do with (i.e. "is independent of") Jordan. You were answering a direct question [b]about[/b] Jordan/Kobe -- how can it have nothing to do with him?

Kobe Bryant is the best scorer in the modern era.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

That question was framed by Showtime -- he's the one who refereed to MJ.

AND if you look at my response, EVERYTHING that I said was about Kobe. Never made any comparison to MJ with regards to playoff stats.

From another thread which applies here.

[Quote]
Originally Posted by Diesel J
61 stands out more but in the same game tonight, Gasol put up 31 pts, 5 ast, 14 reb...

I would take Gasol's line over Kobe's line w/o blinking. I hate those one dimensional statlines[/quote]

One is not separate from the other. My game opens up your game. And vice versa.

They each played off each others success.

Kobe's zero rebounds means what exactly? He cannot contribute in other areas. Hence an empty statline.

How about the 14 rebounds both Gasol and Odom pulled down. They had the glass on lock.

Kobe was pushing down court running the wing or bringing the ball up or waiting for the outlet pass upcourt. Or should Kobe play the post on defense guard dlee. Box him out. And have Gasol run as the front man or wing during transition.

Feed the hot hand. And the Lakers did. Isn't that it goes. If it aint broke don't fix it.

Do you remembers Kobes 4 straight 10+ assist games a few weeks ago

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Jan 21 @ LAC W 108-97 1 41:23 5 15 33.3 2 7 28.6 6 6 100.0 2 8 10 12 4 1 0 3 18
Jan 19 CLE W 105-88 1 40:44 9 22 40.9 1 5 20.0 1 3 33.3 1 5 6 12 5 1 1 1 20
Jan 16 ORL L 103-109 1 41:22 10 26 38.5 1 5 20.0 7 8 87.5 2 11 13 11 6 2 0 3 28
Jan 14 @ SAS L 111-112 1 41:38 11 19 57.9 2 3 66.7 5 6 83.3 1 6 7 10 4 0 1 1 29 [/code]

Versus San Antonio, Orlando, Cleveland and the Clippers. 10-11-12-12. To go along with 7ish rebounds and 26ish points.

He can adjust his game whenever he needs to(NOW). What do you need to win tonight? Kobe will do it. The guy has complete control of his game and he has a proper team around him.

Those former laker teams...where kobe was scoring ridiculous points with few assists are implanted in my memory. Why? Because Kobe deserved more assists than his weak ass teammates could muster up.

People were calling him a ballhog and his selfishness was bad for the team.

When the truth was the Lakers sucked. Specifically his teammates. None of them could hit a jump shot of layup if their lives depended on it. Kobe was doing both scoring and setting up inept shooters.

Pretend you are Kobe or not. Be yourself. You are one of the most prolific scorers in the league. Running your offense.

Option A: Do I shoot the ball? Or do I....

Option B: Do I pass the ball to Kwame? so he can brick a layup.

Option C: Do i pass the ball to an open Brian Cook? So this 6'10" shooting forward can brick it.

Option D: Setup up Smush Parker so he can brick it.

Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can brick it.

Option F: pass the ball to a young sasha...so he can brick it.

Option G: pass the ball to a young Farmar...so he can brick it.

Option H: pass to aaron mckie...oh my bad we signed him to keep my bench seat warm.

Option I: I know....Shammond Williams can drain a shot. Nope. No he can't.

I could go on.

[QUOTE=chopchop20]That question was framed by Showtime -- he's the one who refereed to MJ.

AND if you look at my response, EVERYTHING that I said was about Kobe. Never made any comparison to MJ with regards to playoff stats.[/QUOTE]

I understand the question was framed by him. My point is that one cannot be asked a direct question about a comparison between two people and then respond to that question without implicitly referring to one of the people being compared.

the kobe and lebron topic is really a post flooder in ish , and the man just scored
60 +, was that a big deal ?

[QUOTE]Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can brick it.[/QUOTE]

:eek: Typo?

[QUOTE=snipes12]the kobe and lebron topic is really a post flooder in ish , and the man just scored
60 +, was that a big deal ?[/QUOTE]

60+ pts is no joke. when kobe starts doing 60 every game then its a joke.

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Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can [SIZE="5"][i]MAKE[/i][/SIZE] it.[/quote]

Typo?[/quote]

Fixed. Sorry twiens.

[QUOTE=Corky McBiff]I only saw Kobe with ONE forced shot the entire night. He did whatever he wanted on the court. The Knicks were completely helpless. :oldlol:

[B]As "great" as LeBron is, he can't touch Kobe offensively.[/B] The mid-range game + footwork is what separates Kobe from everyone else in the league, including Wade and LeBron.

LeBron will either drive on you (iso or high screen) or when his shot is on, he will stroke the three. He has NOTHING in-between.[/QUOTE]

And Kobe can't touch Lebron's all-around game. It'll be easier for Lebron to score 61 than it would be for Kobe to post Lebron's numbers for a whole season.

It's called "perspective" people.

[QUOTE=243354]hes better then all of them. the G.O.A.T
61 pts in 37 minutes.:bowdown:[/QUOTE]

what? you've never heard the 99 point night of Jordan? he did it in 15mins.