Wilt Chamberlain discussion

[QUOTE=Niquesports]IF you are older than 35 I will respect your opinion because at the least you saw Centers like
kareem
Moses Malone
Unseld
Reed
Cowens
Sam LAcy
Bob Lanier
Walton
Alivn Adams
Jack Sikma
Play not to mention the Big bodies of Clifford Ray and Tom Bowinkile then after the merger you had Dan issell , Artis Gilmore and Billy patluz this just off the top of my head. But my point isnt if the 70's Centers were better than the 80's C but that they were better than todays C.[/QUOTE]

I'll give you today's centers but add the caveat that with the rule changes we really don't know what they'd be like. Those were so drastic: they're altered who's a good center to the point where being really big is a limiting factor. Agility is much more important as you can't camp out in the lane anymore. Yao for instance would have been MUCH more signifigant in the 90's and 80's. His size in 2000's hurts him. Are the 70's centers better then today's? I'm not sure because the postiion of center has changed almost to a power forward as the league has essentially forced everyone to play some style of small ball.

[QUOTE=32jazz]:applause:

Only four(4) true 7 footers have even won rebound titles in the Leagues history:eek: :

Wilt(11 or 12)
Kareem(1)
Robinson(1)
Mutumbo(2 ?)

Height/size isn't the only thing involved in rebounding(ask Dennis Rodman).

Even at 19 rebounds per game in'61 Baylor was still not a top three rebounder when it came to boards per game:confusedshrug: A very good rebounder ,but not dominate like Wilt/Russell.

Not much else to add to that post.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... so of the 16 7 footer boarding titles you're telling me that 13 of them, or 81%, occurred when I'm saying being big while everyone else was small inflated your stats? Thanks for joining the team 32 Jazz.

PS: I hate Karl Malone. ;0

[QUOTE=Abraham Lincoln]My fellow wise man, this be all but the mere creedence of thought which thou shan't allow to all but cease to exist. Alas, this be the mere soul of the unwise man whom Dwight Howard be considered to most dominant player in league history to.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129071&page=9[/url][/QUOTE]

Ye 'ol Abe. Thou dost not read the disclaimer print. Ye be a dumb ass.

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3. Only having access to stats from 1986 on I know this leaves players out of the mix. Honestly however basketball before this time was a different game. Sorry if it offends you but Wilt and Russel would not be anywhere near the players they were after 1986 on. That's my opinion I suppose, and I cede that on sheer dominance, Wilt would blow Dwight away on these lists, but I litterally don't have the resources to show that era's stats or I would. So this is really just about the more modern era of ball. On with it!

[QUOTE=32jazz]
No doubt that the 'Centers' of the 60's/70's are better than Centers of today. I do admit the talent & ability at the swing positions(SG/SF) is definitely better today OVERALL than in the 60's/70's.
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Heh, wow. Okay, so if that's so much better do you really think Wilt stays on the court for 48 minutes a game? I don't at all and its a big part of why I don't think Wilt's performance against slow guards who can't jump or dribble counts for as much as you're saying. Not only could other centers not out rebound Wilt, but guards had almost 0 chance. Today, MJ or Carter would be able to get up to Wilt's level and snatch boards, get fouls. I don't know what the net effect of that is on Wilt's game but this thread is comprised mostly of people who say it would have no effect at all.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Sir Charles I must admit we agree . WIlt would be everything D Howard is and more. a more consistant scorer and would not get outplayed by taller Centers.
Kareem would be doing everything yao is supposed to be doing on a night in night out basis IF kareem was playing to day you could bet he would have been past the first round several times[/QUOTE]

Hmm... what do you base that on? Which bigger centers did Wilt ever play against?

Heh, if Kareem had to put as much strain on his body as Yao did, and Kareem had 3 serious injuries because of that in his first 6 years playing, are you making this point now? Yep, I thought so. I mean, come on. You guys don't even try to make sane analogizes.

[QUOTE=indiefan23]Hmm... I dunno man. Its totally possible of course. I think Bill Simmons wrote about this phenomenon though. Its a little wishy washy but there's a lot to it. If I played MJ would I embarrass my childhood idol and remind him that while he's the GOAT now he's a broken down old man shell of who is not relevant anymore? I wouldn't. Could Nique get layups on a 48 year old Wilt. I think so. When you play old men or children you show some class. Not to say its impossible, but at 45 your body has broken down. I still think thats a stunt.[/QUOTE]

Have you seen how ridiculously in shape Wilt was ? The man ran in a marathon and a 50-mile race when he was 60 years old ...

[QUOTE]Rodman is the best rebounder of all time and if he went back he would destroy Wilt, [/QUOTE]

I've never said I thought Wilt was a better rebounder than Rodman. I think Rodman is the best rebounder of all time, and also one of the most underrated player ever.

[QUOTE]Sorry, I watch the game. Wilt is taller and people are not even attempting to force him out of the lane. He jumped, reaches over top and because he was the only one up there he grabbed the ball. His size had everything to do with it. You can see him doing this countless times on the tape.[/QUOTE]

So if size mattered that much, how come Baylor was a good rebounder back then ? By your logic, taller guys should have come up with the ball more often than not ...

[QUOTE]I don't even care if Kareem was in the league. I mean, how blatantly stupid an argument is that? Kareem was in the eastern conference so Wilt played him twice a year for 4 years. Guys on this thread are raging about how dumb I am based on the fact that Wilt and Kareem matched up 8 times out of Wilt's 1045 NBA games and I don't think that means much. I mean, I've heard people spount ad nauseam that Wilt went against greats such as Kareem, Unseld and Dave Cowens, 3 others from the top 5 that year. But in reality Wilt only faced those guys 6 times total out of 82 games each year.[/QUOTE]

WTF ? :wtf: What kind of an argument is that ? You do know Wilt outrebounded Kareem when they played together right ? They played against the same competition, and he was pulling down more rebounds. While clearly out of his prime. And Kareem was in physical prime too. The "he only played against him twice a year" argument doesn't make any sense. Shaq only faced Hakeem twice a year when he was in the East. Dwight only plays Duncan or Yao twice a year. Dwight actually has more games against Jeff Foster, Zaza Pachulia, Kendrick Perkins, Andrew Bogut or Brendan Haywood than against Shaq, Duncan or Yao. So what ?

[QUOTE]Where are you getting Wilt's rebound rate from anyway?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/[/url]

[QUOTE]Unless you mean per 36 minutes[/QUOTE]

That stat doesn't rely on pace or minutes played.


[QUOTE]But he's not more athletic then Shaq. He's not more athletic then Camby in his prime. He's has nothing close to Dream's polish.[/QUOTE]

1. Shaq didn't have anything close to Dream's polish, but Shaq was arguably the better player. No one can come close today to Kobe's polish, but LeBron is considered just as good as him or even better by a lot of people. Same thing with Wade.

2. I don't really like to talk about athleticsm. There are so many variables. So many different ways you can be considered athletic. How are you supposed to compare Jordan's athleticsm to Shaq's for example ? Or Jordan's and LeBron's ? What matters is that they all could do dominate the game physically, and Wilt could do it too. There's never been a guy like Wilt in this league. He was strong as hell, could run like crazy, had incredible stamina, could jump out of the gym. What more do you want ?

3. Not more athletic than prime Camby ? WTF ?

Indiefan23,

Are you just trying to increase your post count by posting 10 straight posts in the one thread? Just put it all in one post. :banghead:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=849_WdqJ8o8&feature=related[/url]

:bowdown:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=849_WdqJ8o8&feature=related[/url]

:bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Can you just get it all out of the way in one ****ing Wilt thread?!? Did you just find out about him or something?:mad: :banghead:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=849_WdqJ8o8&feature=related[/url]

:bowdown:[/QUOTE]

My absolute favborite sequence is at 2:28 & 2:38. Here Wilt rejects Kareems skyhook back to back in one(1) possession.

Most centers Karrem played (Olajuwon/Ewing/Parish....) would be lucky to get their hands on Kareem's shyhook once in their careers let alone twice(2) in one sequence & that was an older/injured Wilt.


Wilt would also hold most Blocked shot records had they kept the stat when he was playing. They only starting keeping it the season after he retired unfortunately.

Shame Wilt played like ass in the playoffs, where its gets tough, only averaging 22ppg and winning 2 chips.

[QUOTE=db23]Shame Wilt played like ass in the playoffs, where its gets tough, only averaging 22ppg and winning 2 chips.[/QUOTE]

Winning two finals MVP's?:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=32jazz]Winning two finals MVP's?:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


Nobody belongs in Goat talks with only 2 chips.

There's a couple of goaltendings in there, but overall a very fun mix to watch.

[QUOTE=db23]Nobody belongs in Goat talks with only 2 chips.[/QUOTE]

Where in this thread was he called GOAT B***ch? :confusedshrug:

There are other threads if you wish not to speak of Wilt's 'shot blocking abilities' which is what this thread is about.

You've been a good troll.:applause: Now Go away.