The vast majority of Bulls games were either won or lost by his hands during that era... So to look for all his misses rather than looking at his supreme success rate would be ridiculous.
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The vast majority of Bulls games were either won or lost by his hands during that era... So to look for all his misses rather than looking at his supreme success rate would be ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Yea apparently a couple of times I didn't round someone's 5.45 assists to 6. Total data manipulation :rolleyes:
:oldlol: at these idiots. Why am I even quoting them? Check the f*cking internet to confirm. There is an ocean of information out there. You can confirm this for yourself, just don't expect me to do it for you because I really don't care.[/QUOTE]
LMAO if you think I'm talking about 'improper rounding' right now....even though you are guilty of that lol
[QUOTE=nnn123]LMAO if you think I'm talking about 'improper rounding' right now....even though you are guilty of that lol[/QUOTE]
Dude's totally worked, doesn't even provide evidence.... :oldlol:
I have a New York Times subscription because I get that delivered to my house. Do you? That's what I thought. Buy yourself some games, watch them, or better yet buy yourself a subscription to a reputable newspaper to confirm this.
:oldlol: at the Jordan fans getting angry, despite me repeatedly insisting that despite all this he is still the clutchest player to ever play the game. The point of the thread isn't to say Jordan is unclutch, because he is not, and to even say anything along those lines is ridiculous.
^^^ So what is the point... Did you think people believed he had 100% accuracy on game winning shots? Nobody does, not even those with the most clutch reputations. But there's no denying that he made a whole hell of a lot of them and they were memorable.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]I have a New York Times subscription because I get that delivered to my house. Do you? That's what I thought. Buy yourself some games, watch them, or better yet buy yourself a subscription to a reputable newspaper to confirm this.
:oldlol: at the Jordan fans getting angry, despite me repeatedly insisting that despite all this he is still the clutchest player to ever play the game. The point of the thread isn't to say Jordan is unclutch, because he is not, and to even say anything along those lines is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
In other words you don't have any "real" quotes or links to back these claims up. I thought google was the answer? HELP ME!!!
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Yea apparently a couple of times I didn't round someone's 5.45 assists to 6. Total data manipulation :rolleyes:
:oldlol: at these idiots. Why am I even quoting them? Check the f*cking internet to confirm. There is an ocean of information out there. You can confirm this for yourself, just don't expect me to do it for you [B]because I really don't care[/B].[/QUOTE]
Sure you don't. That's why you bother looking up all this information and recording it right? And yet for some reason you refuse to cite...Hmm...could it be because some of those shots were practically impossible to make and completely unrelated to being unclutch?
Fatal I'm not saying that you're making all this up....I certainly do believe Jordan missed many game winners. It's just that in the past you have been guilty of exaggerating/misleading to prove a point, so you might be doing the same here....perhaps some of these turnovers, shots, etc. weren't really Jordan's fault. That's why some sort of link would be appreciated, I'm not saying you're lying here.
[QUOTE=bokes15]^^^ So what is the point... Did you think people believed he had 100% accuracy on game winning shots? Nobody does, not even those with the most clutch reputations. But there's no denying that he made a whole hell of a lot of them and they were memorable.[/QUOTE]
Nah, there used to anti-clutch Kobe logs here all the time. The point is partly interest because you never hear of these games ever (nor does the Jordan-nation on youtube upload many of these). And partly to catalog and show Jordan failed in the clutch for a big % of the games he played in, which to my knowledge no one has ever really done. So when you get posters yapping about Kobe, Wade or Lebron (I am guilty of doing this sometimes too), you gotta remember Jordan failed hundreds of times too, which people seem to forget for some reason.
[QUOTE=nnn123]Fatal I'm not saying that you're making all this up....I certainly do believe Jordan missed many game winners. It's just that in the past you have been guilty of exaggerating/misleading to prove a point, so you might be doing the same here....perhaps some of these turnovers, shots, etc. weren't really Jordan's fault. That's why some sort of link would be appreciated, I'm not saying you're lying here.[/QUOTE]
some of these plays or shots are definitely not actually unclutch.
is missing a fadaway three, off one foot, with .8 secs from 29 feet away unclutch?? some of these shots need to be put into perspective if u are really so interested in making an accurate log. which of course he is not.
[QUOTE=goldgrill4me]some of these plays or shots are definitely not actually unclutch.
is missing a fadaway three, off one foot, with .8 secs from 29 feet away unclutch?? some of these shots need to be put into perspective if u are really so interested in making an accurate log. which of course he is not.[/QUOTE]
Kobe would have hit that shot so it's definitely anti-clutch.
[QUOTE=Cyclone112]Kobe would have hit that shot so it's definitely anti-clutch.[/QUOTE]
It's counted in his "anti-clutch" stats isn't it? If Lebron misses the shot in game 2, it would have counted towards his "anti-clutch" stats too, right? But in Jordan's case? It was just a tough shot to make :confusedshrug:
You'll note I didn't include the missed shot vs. Jazz but against the Pacers he got a decent look.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Nah, there used to anti-clutch Kobe logs here all the time. The point is partly interest because you never hear of these games ever (nor does the Jordan-nation on youtube upload many of these). And partly to catalog and show Jordan failed in the clutch for a big % of the games he played in, which to my knowledge no one has ever really done. So when you get posters yapping about Kobe, Wade or Lebron (I am guilty of doing this sometimes too), you gotta remember Jordan failed hundreds of times too, which people seem to forget for some reason.[/QUOTE]
his accuracy on gw shots is 50 % so obviously he missed half the time moron. no one needs your biased bogus clutch log. u admittedly havent seen most of the games u are using. therefore u dont even know circumstances as to whether these shots are really unclutch or situations where only an extremely low % of these types of shots should be made.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]It's counted in his "anti-clutch" stats isn't it? If Lebron misses the shot in game 2, it would have counted towards his "anti-clutch" stats too, right? But in Jordan's case? It was just a tough shot to make :confusedshrug:
You'll note I didn't include the missed shot vs. Jazz but against the Pacers he got a decent look.[/QUOTE]
No, ridiculously hard shots that have a very minimal chance of going in in the first place should not mean someone is "anti" clutch. Is heaving up a half court shot at the buzzer and missing also anti clutch?
[QUOTE=Fatal9]It's counted in his "anti-clutch" stats isn't it? If Lebron misses the shot in game 2, it would have counted towards his "anti-clutch" stats too, right? But in Jordan's case? It was just a tough shot to make :confusedshrug:
You'll note I didn't include the missed shot vs. Jazz but against the Pacers he got a decent look.[/QUOTE]
u commented on it saying it was a good contribution to your log. u probably didnt read that game recap yet as to why u didnt add it personally. anytime u have to force a shot with .7 secs is it really unclutch if u miss?? those types of shots are easy to defend against.
these shots are counted for jordan in his 50% field goal percentage on game winning shots.
y u commenting on lebrons 3 that u said was against the poorest possible defense??? now it was a difficult shot? make up your mind clown.:oldlol: :oldlol: