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[QUOTE=ClutchCover]Bird is the greatest offensive player to ever play, only reason why he's inferior to Jordan was the lack of athleticism, explosion and defense.[/QUOTE]
Best O player ever? Maybe the best skillful O?
Because I don't know what you mean by the greatest offensive player. Because I think MJ is the best scorer, which is also apart of offensive.
[QUOTE=Micku]Best O player ever? Maybe the best skillful O?
Because I don't know what you mean by the greatest offensive player. Because I think MJ is the best scorer, which is also apart of offensive.[/QUOTE]
Contrary to popular belief, scoring is not the only component of offense.
They are all in the same level. These 3 players are just barely outside the top 5. ( 6, 7,8)
The fact he was white.
Shaq was better than Duncan. And was not an ideal franchise player.
Duncan was not better than Shaq. And was a ideal franchise player.
Bird played on Shaq's level while being a true franchise player.
So that's that. Bird > Shaq & Duncan
[QUOTE=Carbine]Everyone pretty much has Bird higher than those two by a few spots or so and I can make no valid argument as to why Bird was better than those two.
It can't be rings. It can't be individual accomplishments. It can't be who was better during their primes. It can't be longevity.
What is it?[/QUOTE]
I have shaq above bird. Bird over Duncan primarily through the eye-test
I'd take Duncan and Shaq over Bird probably...but that has a little more to do with longevity I think.
Shaq is definitely better.
But Duncan? lol get real. He's not that level of player.
his ability to dominate without scoring alot/having the ball in his hands. Bird is top 4 GOAT imo.
Bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq because Bird didn't play for the Fakers, so his rings aren't tainted (David Stern given).
Bird > Duncan because Bird didn't have 2nd GOAT PF/C/SG/PG in his team. Duncan has 2nd GOAT SG in Manu.
All 3 are typically ranked in the top 10 GOAT... so let's not act like people create some huge divide between them. I actually have them ranked consecutively at #6, 7, and 8.
[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]Bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq because Bird didn't play for the Fakers, so his rings aren't tainted (David Stern given).
Bird > Duncan because Bird didn't have 2nd GOAT PF/C/SG/PG in his team. [B]Duncan has 2nd GOAT SG in Manu[/B].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TheBigVeto]Bird >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq because Bird didn't play for the Fakers, so his rings aren't tainted (David Stern given).
Bird > Duncan because Bird didn't have 2nd GOAT PF/C/SG/PG in his team. Duncan has 2nd GOAT SG in Manu.[/QUOTE]
Lol fail post of the week.
How many rings do the celtics have?!?
Shaq:
4 Titles
3 FMVPs
1 MVP
14 All-NBA Teams (1st-8, 2nd-2, 3rd-4)
3 All-NBA second team defense
Bird:
3 Titles
2 FMVPs
3 MVPs
10 All-NBA Teams (1st-9, 2nd-1)
3 All-NBA Second Team Defense
Factor is Shaqs longevity is also superior (he played 50 percent more games than Bird) and a similar (I'd take Shaq, but see the argument for Bird) prime........
I still don't see how you could phrase an argument to make Bird above Shaq on the GOAT lists, which he generally is by most people who do them.
Duncan:
4 Titles
3 FMVPs
2 MVP
14 All-NBA Teams (1st-10, 2nd-3, 3rd-1)
14 All-NBA Defense (1st-8, 2nd-6)
Does Bird's prime and 1 more MVP make up for the difference of Duncans 1 more title, 1 FMVP, 4 All-NBA teams and 11 All-NBA Defense?
Not only make up for the difference, but push him ahead?