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[QUOTE=Alhazred]Source.
Not denying the gambling, but what evidence is there that James Jordan's death was a direct result of Michael's debts?[/QUOTE]
There is none. If my memory is right he was about to fall asleep while driving so he pulled off to the side of the road and slept in his car. That is where he got robbed and killed. There was no evidence that the killer knew who he was.
[QUOTE=Desperado]Jordan refuses to pay off his gambling debts and his father dies because of him being stingy.[/QUOTE]
''The media came after me the last couple of years because they couldn't write bad about my play,'' he said. ''When my father disappeared, it was so irresponsible, so insensitive to link my father with my gambling''
[QUOTE=Desperado]It's not like Kobe is going around and punching his teammates
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[url]http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-120551815.html[/url]
[QUOTE]having his coach fired
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[url]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/2004-10-12-jackson-book_x.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]dealing with the mob, having illegitimate kids etc...
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Even worse: [url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0924041kobea1.html[/url]
You can STFU now, bye bye.
[B]''it was not the first time Jackson requested the team trade Bryant. He sought to trade him to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion in the 1999-00 season[/B]:eek: . But then-general manager Jerry West told Jackson that owner Jerry Buss would never trade the Laker star, he wrote in his diary. Jackson said he was told the same thing last season''
The greatest American leader since FDR. :applause:
Jordan is not unique among ultra competitive people to behave this way but what amuses me is how he is held up by some basketball fans as a paragon of great leadership. Study great leaders. Yes, there are a few like Jordan but generally the way to produce results is to build your team up. Did FDR cuss out his cabinet during the Depression? Did Washington tell his troops they sucked at Valley Forge? Did Lincoln call Grant stupid because Grant graduated last in his class at West Point? No, no, and no.
Read Wennington's book for an insider's take on the dynamics of the Bulls. He is pro-MJ btw but if you read it you will find Jordan was not the only leader on that team as mythology holds he was. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Wenningtons-Tales-Bulls-Hardwood/dp/1582617929[/url]
Uhh leading a basketball team is probably different from leading all the random things your talking about. Jordan probably went to far sometimes but you can't argue with results and the results are 6 rings.
in what context was this said?
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"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."[/B]
hard to believe mj would make such a politically incorrect statement. at least the rest of the other stuff you can blame on his passion for winning where he'd get all pissd at mistakes.
i always hear about how he punched kerr in the nose for not practicing hard enough or something, and did something else crazy like that. he was truly one of a kind.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The greatest American leader since FDR. :applause:
Jordan is not unique among ultra competitive people to behave this way but what amuses me is how he is held up by some basketball fans as a paragon of great leadership. Study great leaders. Yes, there are a few like Jordan but generally the way to produce results is to build your team up. Did FDR cuss out his cabinet during the Depression? Did Washington tell his troops they sucked at Valley Forge? Did Lincoln call Grant stupid because Grant graduated last in his class at West Point? No, no, and no.
Read Wennington's book for an insider's take on the dynamics of the Bulls. He is pro-MJ btw but if you read it you will find Jordan was not the only leader on that team as mythology holds he was. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Wenningtons-Tales-Bulls-Hardwood/dp/1582617929[/url][/QUOTE]
spoonfeed the highlights? sounds interesting but no way i'm buying a wennington book to find out.
[QUOTE=Poodle]in what context was this said?
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"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."[/B]
hard to believe mj would make such a politically incorrect statement. at least the rest of the other stuff you can blame on his passion for winning where he'd get all pissd at mistakes.
i always hear about how he punched kerr in the nose for not practicing hard enough or something, and did something else crazy like that. he was truly one of a kind.[/QUOTE]
He was complaining about the team. At the time they were struggling to get past Detroit in the playoffs (they hadn't won their first title yet) and Jordan was griping at practice.
He said that Grant and Pippen had the talent but didn't take things seriously enough. He complained about the rookies being together as usual and his comment "they have no idea what it's all about" was directed towards them.
His comment about the white guys was directed at Paxon, Perdue and a big bruiser whose name i can't remember. He liked the bruiser even though his talent was minimal because the guy set good picks. He openly liked Paxon, who management kept trying to replace. He couldn't stand Perdue though. i don't think he was being racist with his comments.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The greatest American leader since FDR. :applause:
Jordan is not unique among ultra competitive people to behave this way but what amuses me is how he is held up by some basketball fans as a paragon of great leadership. Study great leaders. Yes, there are a few like Jordan but generally the way to produce results is to build your team up. Did FDR cuss out his cabinet during the Depression? Did Washington tell his troops they sucked at Valley Forge? Did Lincoln call Grant stupid because Grant graduated last in his class at West Point? No, no, and no.
Read Wennington's book for an insider's take on the dynamics of the Bulls. He is pro-MJ btw but if you read it you will find Jordan was not the only leader on that team as mythology holds he was. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Wenningtons-Tales-Bulls-Hardwood/dp/1582617929[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, there you have it. Jordan is apparently comparable to the great leaders of this COUNTRY. I wonder if a few months from now he will quote himself and use it as proof that everyone on ISH thinks Jordan is as good of a leader as United States Presidents.
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........................"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"
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"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."
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"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."
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"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."
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"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue
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"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one
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"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility
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I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."
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"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."
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"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."
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"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."
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"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."
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"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."
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"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box
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"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends
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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine
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"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."
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"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant
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"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."
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"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."
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"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line
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"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate
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"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."
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"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."
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"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."
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"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!
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"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........
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"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."
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"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."
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"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson
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"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade
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"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch
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"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)[/QUOTE]
Mj is a funny mofo.... :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Well, there you have it. Jordan is apparently comparable to the great leaders of this COUNTRY. I wonder if a few months from now he will quote himself and use it as proof that everyone on ISH thinks Jordan is as good of a leader as United States Presidents.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:
Obviously MJ has a great sense of humor.
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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine
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I haven't read the whole thread so i don't know if anyone posted it yet. that quote happened before the last play of the deciding playoff game against the Cavs.
When Collins started drawing up the play for Corzine everyone in the huddle starting looking around. Collins explained that nobody would expect a play for Corzine.
That is when jordan slammed his fist on Collins clipboard and demanded the ball. Then he hit that hanging jumper from the top of the key against Ehlo to finish off the Cavs.
Collins was Jordan's biatch. Collins could never stand up to Jordan and that is why Jordan never could respect him. Jackson would stand up to Jordan, but not in a confrontational manner. He would just keep working him and working him to try to get him to play more unselfishly.
[QUOTE=Desperado]In March of 1992, three Jordan checks for $108,000 are found in the briefcase of murdered man. It reveals the extent of Jordan