Kevin Mchale vs Dirk Nowitzki All time

[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]He damn sure wouldn't have been an MVP candidate on the Celtics or even back in the 80s at all.[/QUOTE]

How do you know he wouldn't have been an MVP candidate in the 80's? If he was posting similar numbers on 55-60 win teams, which isn't a stretch considering he's done it consistently now, then he would have atleast been a candidate. No way is he winning any, but he would have been a candidate had he done what he did in his own era. Hell, Terry Cummings was top 5 in MVP voting in 1985 and he wasn't as good as Dirk. Sidney Moncrief was 4th in 1983 as well. Robert Parish was nowhere near the player Dirk(or McHale for that matter) are/were and he was 4th in 1982 despite playing with Larry Bird. That same year, Gus Williams was 5th.

It would have been interesting to see what McHale could have done as the franchise player. He definitely had the skills.

[quote]He has more of a variety of skills. However McHale is so great at what he does, that it overpowers Nowitziki's balanced skills.[/quote]

And I thought the exacrt opposite. Dirk's scoring/number 1 option is so much more overpowering than McHale's all around skill.

Dirk would not have been an MVP during the 80's. Would he really win it ever over Jordan, Bird, Moses, Magic, kareem even during some of their worst seasons during the 80's? Dirk won because there wasn't a perfect option there. Nobody wanted to give it too Nash a third time, or Duncan past his prime even though he was better, or Kobe because his team only won 40 some ive games.

[QUOTE=magnax1]Dirk would not have been an MVP during the 80's. Would he really win it ever over Jordan, Bird, Moses, Magic, kareem even during some of their worst seasons during the 80's? Dirk won because there wasn't a perfect option there. Nobody wanted to give it too Nash a third time, or Duncan past his prime even though he was better, or Kobe because his team only won 40 some ive games.[/QUOTE]

Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. If.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Never said he'd win, but if he produced the same, then he'd be a candidate.[/QUOTE]
I always thought candidate=had a chance to win it

Kev more clutch than Dirk? :roll: He barely had to carry a burden as heavy as Dirk had to throughout his career.

Dirk was MVP. 1 more for German one.

[QUOTE=CeltsGarlic]Dirk was MVP. 1 more for German one.[/QUOTE]
He didn't have Jordan, Magic, Isiah, Bird, and Akeem to compete against. But MVP is MVP I guess...

No, but the likes of Shaq, Timmy D. and Kobe, arguably three of the top 10 players of all time. And I didn't know that McHale had to compete against Bird. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=creepingdeath]No, but the likes of Shaq, Timmy D. and Kobe, arguably three of the top 10 players of all time. And I didn't know that McHale had to compete against Bird. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I think he meant he had to compete with Bird for an MVP

Which isn't true either. The best what he could do was in 1986-87, but he was never a serious competitor against Bird.

[QUOTE=White Chocolate]McHale made clutch defensive plays. He came through in the playoffs along with Bird. McHale easily would have won Finals MVP in '85 and '87 if the Celtics had won. He's also had good statlines in important games.


Game 6 against Cleveland in '92- 22 pts/6 reb and 9/12 from the field in 23 minutes off the bench

[B]Game 7 against Cleveland in '92- 15 pts/5 reb and 6/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench[/B]

Game 3 against Charlotte in '93- 19 pts/6 reb/3 blk on 8/14 from the field in 30 minutes off the bench


He didn't choke under pressure.[/QUOTE]

Did you just bring up a 15/5 game (a LOSS actually) to say McHale is more clutch than Dirk. That would have been by far the worst career game 7 for Dirk.

WOW
[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]And here's another a question to leave you guys. If I'm a big man, who would I'd be more scared to guard? A ferocious low post scorer that commands double teams or a man who prefers to hang around the perimeter? Just think about it.[/QUOTE]

OK, let's illustrate it. Say you are Tim Duncan. Who would you rather go up against. Shaquille Oneal (10x the player McHale ever was), or Dirk. Now I'm taking this example, because we have actually seen these matchups (at least I have), and it was obviuos that Duncan was struggling more against Dirk. In fact most of the times, Bowen was the one defending Dirk, because Timmy (one of the greatest defenders of all time) was no match for Dirk. Just ran a quick scan, and here's what they average:

Dirk has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
24.5ppg/10rpg/49%FG/93%FT record 2:2 (got injured in 03)

Shaq has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
22.4ppg/12.8rpg/53%FG/53%FT record 2:4

And once again, this is Shaq (McHale x10). I know Duncan is a great post defender, so this particular matchup doesn't work in Shaqs favor, but it's what you asked for, and goes on to show that Dirk is a matchup nightmare.

You can try and make points about all around play, defense, blah blah blah, whatever, but as a defender you fear Dirk more. period.

[QUOTE=Flamboyant]Did you just bring up a 15/5 game (a LOSS actually) to say McHale is more clutch than Dirk. That would have been by far the worst career game 7 for Dirk.

WOW


OK, let's illustrate it. Say you are Tim Duncan. Who would you rather go up against. Shaquille Oneal (10x the player McHale ever was), or Dirk. Now I'm taking this example, because we have actually seen these matchups (at least I have), and it was obviuos that Duncan was struggling more against Dirk. In fact most of the times, Bowen was the one defending Dirk, because Timmy (one of the greatest defenders of all time) was no match for Dirk. Just ran a quick scan, and here's what they average:

Dirk has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
24.5ppg/10rpg/49%FG/93%FT record 2:2 (got injured in 03)

Shaq has faced the Spurs 5 times in the playoffs:
22.4ppg/12.8rpg/53%FG/53%FT record 2:4

And once again, this is Shaq (McHale x10). I know Duncan is a great post defender, so this particular matchup doesn't work in Shaqs favor, but it's what you asked for, and goes on to show that Dirk is a matchup nightmare.

You can try and make points about all around play, defense, blah blah blah, whatever, but as a defender you fear Dirk more. period.[/QUOTE]
Those really aren't much better stats though, except for the fact that Dirk can actually make free throws. Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq instead of a perimeter player like Dirk. But they aren't the ones who should be guarding Dirk anyway.

[quote]Yeah, big, slow guys who actually can defend in the post might want to take more of a chance guarding Shaq instead of a perimeter player like Dirk. But they aren't the ones who should be guarding Dirk anyway.[/quote]

Hence the reason why most PFs fear Dirk more. Because he takes them out of their comfort zone. So much so, that they have to put another player on him just to guard.