Question for non-religious types...(most of us I think)

[QUOTE=Poodle]you're going to have to bring a LOT more than that to convert me. i don't even get how any of that works on anybody tbh :confusedshrug:

it'd probably take me seeing God/Jesus physically, or seeing some miracle firsthand, to truly believe. bible verses/quotes are :blah :blah :blah to me. i don't get why you guys use that. does it ever work?[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to 'convert' you. Calm down.

:oldlol:

I was just trying to provide you some insight on your 'life choice' decision (choosing to not believe).

Bible versus, quotes, scriptures or whatever are used because that's God's direct line of communication with us; through his Word. The Bible is God's word. It's concrete, universal and forever relevant. It's a life-long guidebook to spiritual success. All you have to do is open the damn thing and read it! Read it with an open mind and an open heart. Learn its teachings, then apply them into your daily life. If you do this openly, honestly and wholeheartedly, you will [I]not[/I] be sorry. It will teach you how to truly appreciate life and everything within it.

I know, all this sounds coo-coo and as you put it :blah :blah :blah

As far back as I can remember I was in that mindset too ... but I'm telling you ... if you truly give yourself to God, believe in him, trust him and sacrifice what this world has to offer for him (which is not easy; in fact, it's superbly hard), you will not be sorry you did. It will not be for nothing.

[QUOTE=-playmaker-]that shit should be common knowledge for you...what are you learning about instead?...prozac and shit?...:facepalm [/QUOTE]

do i need to say it again?

[SIZE="7"]COGNITIVE[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]BEHAVIOURAL[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]THERAPY[/SIZE]

and yes i agree healthy diet and exercise play important roles in recovery.

i'm not against spirituality. i'm against making that the front runner and the most important part of helping someone take control of their lives. and the way i'm talking on here is not how i would deal with patients. each patient has different requirements and so does each condition, CBT might be useless for some patients and they may need a different approach. you've got to stop generalizing, and saying "this" fixes almost everything.

also i have to leave my personal beliefs at the door, i'm not going to disencourage (is that word?) someones beliefs. but i'm not actually going to introduce them to some new ones either. i can't be a good psychologist if i'm not culturally sensitive, but this mantra you've got "spirituality cures all" is complete nonsense. it is effective but it is not the [B]most [/B]effective.

[quote]"oh don't bother with the Bible, it is all BS, it won't help you at all...you are just tricking yourself into being happy and not really fixing anything because Jesus never really existed...let's talk about your mother now"

would that be your advice?[/quote]

so no i'm not going to tell them its all BS. i'm just not going to give them a bible and tell them to read up if they don't have religious convictions.

[QUOTE=miller-time]do i need to say it again?

[SIZE="7"]COGNITIVE[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]BEHAVIOURAL[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]THERAPY[/SIZE]

and yes i agree healthy diet and exercise play important roles in recovery.

[COLOR="Red"]i'm not against spirituality.[/COLOR] i'm against making that the front runner and the most important part of helping someone take control of their lives. and the way i'm talking on here is not how i would deal with patients. each patient has different requirements and so does each condition, CBT might be useless for some patients and they may need a different approach. you've got to stop generalizing, and saying "this" fixes almost everything.

also i have to leave my personal beliefs at the door, i'm not going to disencourage (is that word?) someones beliefs. but i'm not actually going to introduce them to some new ones either. i can't be a good psychologist if i'm not culturally sensitive, but this mantra you've got "spirituality cures all" is complete nonsense. it is effective but it is not the [B]most [/B]effective.



so no i'm not going to tell them its all BS[COLOR="Red"]. i'm just not going to give them a bible and tell them to read up[/COLOR] if they don't have religious convictions.[/QUOTE]
you are putting alot of words in my mouth here...

1.COGNITIVE BEHAVIOURAL THERAPY...great?...I read it..it means nothing in this in this conversation as I never said it was good or bad...I never said spirituality is the the #1 answer to anything...

2. I never said you should "hand someone a Bible"...but doctors can AND DO tell people to try to have a healthy spiritual life...they don't push any religion, they just tell you to try and have a healthy spiritual mind set...because it "CAN" help...for some people it is everything...

3. you did make it seem like you are against a healthy spiritual life...you have been this whole thread...acting as though believing in an after life is some false bandaid that just masks the real problem, when the truth is that it can "CURE" the problem completely...(not saying it always does, just saying it can)...you came off as though it hurts more than it helps or something...


If you are really not against it, then we have nothing to argue about I guess...

[IMG]http://http-server.carleton.ca/~zcrook/08%20-%20RealJesus.jpeg[/IMG]

This n!gga mug shot make him look zooted and zonked. Thought they didn't have pharmaceuticals in the early parts of A.D???

[QUOTE=ROCSteady][IMG]http://http-server.carleton.ca/~zcrook/08%20-%20RealJesus.jpeg[/IMG]

This n!gga mug shot make him look zooted and zonked. Thought they didn't have pharmaceuticals in the early parts of A.D???[/QUOTE]

Stop It.

We all know blonde-haired, blue-eyed, pale-skinned Middle Eastern Jew Yeshua is the only way to salvation.

[IMG]http://www.sacredheartterrehaute.org/jesus-heart-43%5B1%5D.jpg[/IMG]

And when did this thread turn into a debate about the mental health industry? I thought this was about the historicity of Jesus.

I still don't have any evidence that was contemporaneous to Jesus that would indicate he existed. Also, no one even tried to tackle my point about the New Testament writers contradicting one another and historical record about when Jesus was born to a virgin.

I demand satisfaction! :rant

Hahaha I'd rather pray to my Jesus than yours Don. BTW, I feel like the mental health thing is EXTREMELY relevant to matters of spirituality becuase the old science vs. spirituality are usually contradictory arenas and doctors who claim to have all the answers a lot of times will not consider a person's spiritual struggles when one feels sick in la cabeza

I would [I]love[/I] to see the look on Southern Conservatives faces if Jesus does come back to Earth on Judgment Day looking like this:

[IMG]http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/quiz-jackson.jpg[/IMG]

[B][SIZE="3"]"Time for you to repent muthafu[COLOR="Black"]c[/COLOR]kas[/SIZE]... I got this passage memorized, something my father wrote, you mighta heard of it- Ezekiel 25:17"[/B]

:roll:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]I still don't have any evidence that was contemporaneous to Jesus that would indicate he existed. Also, no one even tried to tackle my point about the New Testament writers contradicting one another and historical record about when Jesus was born to a virgin.

I demand satisfaction! :rant[/QUOTE]

Still no takers? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Still no takers? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

It's a trick question. There is no evidence that Jesus existed.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]It's a trick question. T[B]here is no evidence that Jesus existed.[/B][/QUOTE]

[I]I[/I] know that, but there are people who disagree. I just want to know where they're coming from and to see how they try to reconcile the Good Book, the word of God telling 2 different stories about when his son/himself was born... stories that contradict historical record.

It's a simple request really. I can wait :D

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Still no takers? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
any takers on evidence that he DIDN'T exist?


in the OP I stated that there was no proof either way...just asked for guesses, opinions...

no one knows for sure one way or another...

[QUOTE=-playmaker-]any takers on evidence that he DIDN'T exist?


in the OP I stated that there was no proof either way...just asked for guesses, opinions...

no one knows for sure one way or another...[/QUOTE]

Is there any proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist?

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Is there any proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist?[/QUOTE]
well, yes...I am pretty sure through science we could prove that never existed...

[QUOTE=-playmaker-]well, yes...I am pretty sure through science we could prove that never existed...[/QUOTE]

Oh ye of little faith.

[QUOTE=-playmaker-]any takers on evidence that he DIDN'T exist?


in the OP I stated that there was no proof either way...just asked for guesses, opinions...

no one knows for sure one way or another...[/QUOTE]

Asking to prove Jesus DIDN'T exist is like asking to prove Santa Claus doesn't, it's a logical fallacy. But I think I did enough to establish reasonable doubt your honor. No archeological or historical evidence that is contemporaneous to when he was supposed to be born, lived, died, etc exists despite him being a God who walked on Earth (and water) and performed miracles that many people allegedly saw. In addition, there are contradictory stories about his birth (and life) within the New Testament, one of those accounts being in direct contradiction to historical records we have about censuses that were taken in the Roman Empire and its municipalities during the time in question.

So in summation- no physical evidence exists, no contemporary historical evidence exists and the historical references that were brought up are either non-contemporary or have many 'interpolations' (read forgeries), the accounts told by the people who originated his life story are contradictory and don't fit with historical evidence we have.

So again... evidence that he existed... please. Anything that would sway one from reasonable doubt (at least)... anything?