What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

[QUOTE=thomaspynchon]Well, first off, the Lakers win more often in spite of Kobe than due to Kobe.
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Let's look at this... Over the last three playoff seasons, Bryant's numbers have been...

2007-2008: [B]30.1/5.7/5.6[/B]
2008-2009: [B]30.2/5.3/5.5[/B]
2009-2010: [B]29.2/6.0/5.5[/B]

All together... [B]29.8/5.7/5.5[/B]

Are you saying that more often than not, the Lakers have won regardless of Bryant's play?

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Let's look at this... Over the last three playoff seasons, Bryant's numbers have been...

2007-2008: [B]30.1/5.7/5.6[/B]
2008-2009: [B]30.2/5.3/5.5[/B]
2009-2010: [B]29.2/6.0/5.5[/B]

All together... [B]29.8/5.7/5.5[/B]

Are you saying that more often than not, the Lakers have won regardless of Bryant's play?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Let's face reality here...

The Lakers won despite Kobe, just as the Bulls won their titles despite the play of MJ, and the Celtics won their titles despite the play of Russell. Can you imagine how much greater those teams would have been without those clowns?

[QUOTE=barbaroi]The move to Miami showed that he was scared of losing; it didn't show he wanted to win.

If he had stayed in Cleveland and gotten beat year after year even having HCA, it would have proven he didn't have what it took to win. So he took the gimme instead. That's not the move of a hungry competitor, it's the move of a guy afraid he can't be the man.[/QUOTE]

Of course...

Lebron's never had a team like Kobe or Pierce or Shaq and now that he does, we'll see how he fares.

[QUOTE=plowking]Of course...

Lebron's never had a team like Kobe or Pierce or Shaq and now that he does, we'll see how he fares.[/QUOTE]
Consecutive #1 seeds isn't good enough for him? People always sell the Cavs short I feel. They had very good players in place around Lebron (who else had 3 high volume 40+% 3 point shooters?), and were a dominant defensive team under Mike Brown.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]Consecutive #1 seeds isn't good enough for him? People always sell the Cavs short I feel. They had very good players in place around Lebron (who else had 3 high volume 40+% 3 point shooters?), and were a dominant defensive team under Mike Brown.[/QUOTE]

Well, it would have probably helped had any of them played decently in the playoffs. The only player that contributed anything in the playoffs was an over-the-hill Shaq.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]Consecutive #1 seeds isn't good enough for him? People always sell the Cavs short I feel. They had very good players in place around Lebron (who else had 3 high volume 40+% 3 point shooters?), and were a dominant defensive team under Mike Brown.[/QUOTE]

They have great defensive players, and that's about it. The only decent guys offensively on that team are Delonte West and Shaq.
The point of basketball is to score, if you can't do that, you're screwed.

Boston was better than Cleveland at every position bar SF.
Same goes with Orlando.
Same goes with the Lakers - minus PG.
How about the Spurs?

There's a few other teams as well that this could be said about in comparison to the Cavs. And there are even more that were more well rounded and just better than the Cavs as a team. I don't think you get how much Lebron carried that team.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]Consecutive #1 seeds isn't good enough for him? People always sell the Cavs short I feel. They had very good players in place around Lebron (who else had 3 high volume 40+% 3 point shooters?), and were a dominant defensive team under Mike Brown.[/QUOTE]

They didn't even have an offense.

[QUOTE=plowking]They have great defensive players, and that's about it. The only decent guys offensively on that team are Delonte West and Shaq.
The point of basketball is to score, if you can't do that, you're screwed.

Boston was better than Cleveland at every position bar SF.
Same goes with Orlando.
Same goes with the Lakers - minus PG.
How about the Spurs?

There's a few other teams as well that this could be said about in comparison to the Cavs. And there are even more that were more well rounded and just better than the Cavs as a team. I don't think you get how much Lebron carried that team.[/QUOTE]
:lol Dude, you used to kill Lebron as much as anyone on here. I understand, I would have grown to defend him too if he came on the Knicks. But he didn't so fcuk that guy. P[i]u[/i]ssyass check my stats lol

As for legacy, who really gives a damn about it, other than dudes that want Kobe to somehow rise to become the GOAT. I am one of those people but I don't think it'll happen. There is no shame in becoming the 2nd GOAT though, which is reachable.

[QUOTE=whatever666]
The only way Kobes legacy will be increased individualy is if he outperforms Lebron & Wade in the Finals.... which i highly doubt he will, at least not outperform Lebron, Lebron has outperformed Kobe more than vice versa playing against him... if they meet in the playoffs, L[B]ebron will go on a berserker mode, he wont let that chanse slip away, he is much more hungrier than Kobe ever was for a championship[/B] and as you can see Lebron is willing to give up anything for that, his money, his home, his "the man" status and his fans... he wants to dismantle Kobe right here and right now... that is the last step he has to take before he officialy is undebatably the best player in the world right now if he dismantles the Lakers in the Finals.[/QUOTE]

Really? So he wasn't hungry against the Celtics? I get it! NOW he's hungry.

Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=branslowski]Yeah...It could mean that he was scared....But at the sametime it shows that he's putting his personal stats, and accolades, aswell as possibly his legacy, and multiple fans...Just to win a title.

It can go both ways.[/QUOTE]

I don't think LeBron thought he would lose fans. He's so narcissistic that he figured everyone in Cleveland would still take him back -- look at his quotes from today. How it would be a "great story" if he were to come back.

I will laugh my ass off if they win but DWade wins FMVP... bye bye branding.

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[QUOTE=All Net]I think most would agree Kobe is in that 9-10 range at the moment. Would beating Lebron and Wade in the finals jump him up to maybe the top 5 if he manages to beat these two superstars while winning his 6th championship and winning his 3rd finals MVP along with completing a Lakers 3-peat. A lot are expecting L.A to beat Miami due to the size factor but does Kobe leading Lakers to another 3-peat jump him even higher?[/QUOTE]


It would help but I think Boston is still better than Miami.. Especially since Shaq has joined them.. And I don't like the role players Miami has alongside the big three.. Plus the LAKERS are fielding what may be the best team 1-12 TEAM THE LEAGUE HAS SEEN IN A LONG TIME....


I am rooting for THE SPURS... LOL... I guess that means they will wind up losing in the first round... If I had to bet money than bOSTON VS LAKERS would be my bet for the finals.... With Boston winning if they are healthy...To me Shaq would make a huge difference vs the Lakers...

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Let's look at this... Over the last three playoff seasons, Bryant's numbers have been...

2007-2008: [B]30.1/5.7/5.6[/B]
2008-2009: [B]30.2/5.3/5.5[/B]
2009-2010: [B]29.2/6.0/5.5[/B]

All together... [B]29.8/5.7/5.5[/B]

Are you saying that more often than not, the Lakers have won regardless of Bryant's play?[/QUOTE]


Kobe has been great in the playoffs besides the Finals in the past three seasons.. I think the rougher play in the east slows down Kobe's game but he has usually played smart once the playoffs begin...


Kobe, in my opinion has hurt his teams' REGULAR SEASON record with his play in the regular season.. I think him wanting to win the MVP too much hurt their record last year.....Gasol showed he was a great player when Kobe went out...

[QUOTE=MaxFly]
2007-2008: [B]30.1/5.7/5.6[/B]
2008-2009: [B]30.2/5.3/5.5[/B]
2009-2010: [B]29.2/6.0/5.5[/B]

All together... [B]29.8/5.7/5.5[/B]

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Holy crap. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Holy crap. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Pretend like you didn't know that

there are 2 options now

1: you pretended you didn't know that

2: you didn't know that which immediatly makes u a fake fanboy