Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?
Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?
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Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?
Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?
[QUOTE=Calabis]Glad your laughing, because it's obvious you cannot differ from the two[/QUOTE]
:roll:
MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.
People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:
Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.
Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.
Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.
[QUOTE=tpols]Lol jordan beat the cavs when they had a losing record:facepalm Stop trying this bs. Jordan played in a faster pace and had ten extra minutes and he couldn't match kobe's 81. I'm clearly talking about scoring potential so why are you bringing up rebounds? Stay on topic.[/QUOTE]
It's not bs, it's the truth. No matter what their record was, they made the playoffs. The raptors didn't and neither did the lakers.
I bring up everything else because point totals dint tell the whe story.
[QUOTE=Calabis]And Jordan should have won 8 in a row...shoulda, woulda, coulda...lmao at GOAT[/QUOTE]
Why did he retire then? Was scared of Hakeem? I think so.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.
People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:
Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.
Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.
Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.[/QUOTE]
Great post.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.
People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:
Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.
Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.[/QUOTE]
Bro, you're either 12 years old.....or you're being sarcastic, or you're a fu*king idiot if you honestly tried to come with that straight up bullshit you typed there. :oldlol:
I just had to quote this again....
[QUOTE=Ne 1]MJ played in an era against predominantly slow, weak, un-athletic white players in a watered down era.
People give MJ props for lighting up dudes like Craig Ehlo. His career high is 69 in double over time against that Cavs squad being guarded by Craigh Ehlo/Mark Price. :oldlol:
Kobe would have scored 100 against them in regulation.
Kobe had to go against defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Ruben Patterson etc. They didn't have these defensive specialists when Jordan was playing. Jordan was quoted saying the best defender he had to go against was Joe Dumars. Dumars is 6'3 195 pounds. The guy was thin as a rail and guarded MJ who is 6'6 216 pounds. Dumars was a skinny, slow, undersized PG and that's the best defender MJ had to go against.
Battier has a freaking manual on Kobe's tendencies! He was even quoted saying stayed up all night studying film and books of paper work compiled on Kobe's tendencies, yet when he's assigned to guard him Kobe scored 30 and 40+ on him. Even in that Houston series Kobe had Artest and Battier on him and he still scored on them with ease and couldn't stop him from winning. Not to mention he only went to the FT line 10 times once in the series. The rest of the games were all 7 or under.[/QUOTE]
Did anyone READ THIS? :roll: This HAS TO BE a joke.
You can TELL some of these posters HAVE to be teenagers...
"he played in an era of slow unathletic white guys"
Jordan's prime years were like 15 years ago or so....and he was still rocking it in the early 2000s. :oldlol:
F*cking kids act like dude was playing in the 50s, and 60s.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Are we really saying Jordan couldnt score like Kobe? REALLY?
Mike had seasons of 37ppg, 35ppg, and various other seasons of over 30ppg, on over 50 percent from the field. Wtf are people even talking about around here?[/QUOTE]
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[COLOR="Cyan"]Blue[/COLOR]: Isolation era+Handchecking
[COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Green[/COLOR]: Zone Era without handchecking
[B]Conclusion[/B]: Clearly stats from the 80s and 90s - both PPG+FG%- are inflated, due to faster run-and-gun pace (think 2005 Suns, 2007 Warriors), inferior defense, and inferior players.
[QUOTE=Ne 1][IMG]http://oi52.tinypic.com/2zdnbeo.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://oi52.tinypic.com/b46dcz.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://oi55.tinypic.com/5lqbsy.jpg[/IMG]
[COLOR="Cyan"]Blue[/COLOR]: Isolation era+Handchecking
[COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Green[/COLOR]: Zone Era without handchecking
[B]Conclusion[/B]: Clearly stats from the 80s and 90s - both PPG+FG%- are inflated, due to faster run-and-gun pace (think 2005 Suns, 2007 Warriors), inferior defense, and inferior players.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
[QUOTE=Ne 1]No surprise. Jordan was the biggest ballhog in NBA history, dude led the league in jacking up shots a recorded 9 times and averaged 24 fg attempts per game for his career! But that's not all!
He shots the ball 49 times in one game, in 15 years he shot the ball..24,567 times a record for a 15 year career!
He had seasons' of 25 FG attempt's, 28 FG attempts and 24 FG attempts per game.
Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass more and MJ had Doug fired!!!! (this was before Pippen emerged as the facilitator)[/QUOTE]
Clearly Doug Collins knew what he was talking about since he led teams to so many titles... Oh wait...
[QUOTE=tpols]You look at it in a negative way but I look at it positively. Kobe could've had many seasons of 35+ppg like he did during his peak w/o shaq and could've been better than MJ:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
LMAO... negative, Kobe wouldn't have scored 35 multiple seasons??? That's the extreme positive........he did it once and took more shots to do than MJ did in his 35 ppg season......so if you want to say he would score.....of course we all know that, but with a 46% shooting percentage, 30-31 point seasons would be more realistic..imo
[QUOTE=Jacks3]And yet Jordan consistently took more FGA per game over the course of their careers. :roll:[/QUOTE]
And made them at a higher percentage:roll:
So what are graphs, and shit supposed to prove? Again, AGAIN....Reading comprehesion now....If YOU DIDNT WATCH MIKE PLAY, THROUGHOUT MOST OF HIS CAREER, YOU DONT KNOW D*CK.
I watched MOST of Mike's good years, AND ALLLLLL of Kobe's career. And its clear as day to me, and MULTIPLE people my age, that Kobe just isnt as good as Mike. Its just that simple.
The problem with statistics, and graphs, and shit like that, is that there are TOO many factors, to break down, and argue into the ground. If you cant VISUALLY see for yourself, then you have no concept of anything really....other than science, and numbers. The reality of basketball is....one day, someone is going to claim another player is "better than Kobe".....and you know what they're going to do? Come at YOU with graphs, and stats, talking about how "watered down" this current era of ball players were.
Its all bullshit until youve watched the players for yourself. You can measure it properly. Not based on statistical nonsense.