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[QUOTE=Ikill]Really could Kobe of won 47 games with last years heat could he 61 games with last years cavs?[/QUOTE]
He won 45 games with Luke Walton, Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom as his primary role players; is this a joke?
None of those players besides Odom are getting more then 5 MPG anywhere in this league, Wade had MUCH better teammates around him last year...just look at what Beasley is doing in Minnesota.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]It's hard to say at this point. Kobe has been slowly recovering from off-season knee surgery while Wade has been trying to mesh with LeBron and Bosh. Like always, this discussion should be held after the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Well, this is true for determining who is better period, but the thread is designed to keep current with the Wade vs. Kobe discussion, so this discussion is valid. Through, this type of thread tend to lead to trolling since this thread is only bumped when one or the other player falls short in one game.
[QUOTE=crosso√er]He won 45 games with Luke Walton, Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom as his primary role players; is this a joke?
None of those players besides Odom are getting more then 5 MPG anywhere in this league, Wade had MUCH better teammates around him last year...just look at what Beasley is doing in Minnesota.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about right now Kobe is not even close to the player he used to be
[QUOTE=Ikill]I'm talking about right now Kobe is not even close to the player he used to be[/QUOTE]
oh really?
[QUOTE=tpols]uh... kobe would've easily won 50 games with the heat last year. How come everyone always forgets that kobe plays in a conference that is twice as hard? The east is weak as hell man.[/QUOTE]
Plus he squeezed 45 wins in 06 with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown as starters with significant minutes given to Cook/George/Walton. Aside from Lamar Odom and Bryant, that roster was an abomination.
[QUOTE=Ikill]I'm talking about right now Kobe is not even close to the player he used to be[/QUOTE]
Kobe as not as athletic as he was back in 06' but he is a lot more mature; making better decisions with the ball etc.
Kobe is putting up 26/6/5 in 32 MPG; per 48 minutes he's putting up better all around numbers then in 2006.
Last year Kobe could have won 47 games with Beasley, Haslem, Jermain etc. as his role players, give me some evidence to the contrary...
He has done as well as Wade (in a tougher conference) before, with inferior teammates; including a near upset over the #1 ranked Suns team.
[QUOTE=justin43]Well, this is true for determining who is better period, but the thread is designed to keep current with the Wade vs. Kobe discussion, so this discussion is valid. Through, this type of thread tend to lead to trolling since this thread is only bumped when one or the other player falls short in one game.[/QUOTE]
Okay. Then at this point in the season, Wade is the better player. He's more explosive and his ability to break down defenses is unmatched.
As for Kobe, we haven't really seen what he's capable of yet. He's had some very good games, but the Lakers haven't needed him (which is fine with me, since I want him healthy for the playoffs).
[QUOTE=Ikill]Really could Kobe of won 47 games with last years heat could he 61 games with last years cavs?[/QUOTE]
Which Kobe? 2005-2006? 2007-2008? He could definitely win 47 with the Heat's roster, but I doubt he would have won 61 with the Cavaliers.
Thank you for proving my point. You guys SWORE I made this thread to bash Kobe, when I clearly did not. Right now Dwyane Wade is playing like a unmotivated brat, while Kobe is ripping shit. Kobe is clearly superior as of right now.
But nooooo, I made this thread because Kobe had a bad shooting night the day before, :rolleyes: idiots.
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Per 36 Minutes Stats:[/B][/U]
Kobe
28.4 ppg 6.9 rpg 5.2 apg
Wade
23.7 ppg 5.9 rpg 3.6 apg
Kobe's been playing Ginobli Minutes, but keeping his stats at Starter Minutes.
[QUOTE=crosso√er]He won 45 games with Luke Walton, Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom as his primary role players; is this a joke?
None of those players besides Odom are getting more then 5 MPG anywhere in this league, Wade had MUCH better teammates around him last year...just look at what Beasley is doing in Minnesota.[/QUOTE]
And this was during one of the most competitive Western Conferences in recent memory. I remember during one of those seasons the 1st seed and 8th seed were separated by like 1-2 games for a while.
[B]Dwyane Wade[/B]- 21.1 PPG | 5.7 REB | 3.7 AST | 43.7 FG% |24.4 3PT% | 71.6 FT% | 1.2 STL | 3.1 TO | 35.4 MIN
[B]Team Record: 8-7[/B]
[B]Kobe Bryant[/B] - 25.3 PPG | 6.0 REB | 4.8 AST | 43.1 FG% | 30.8 3PT% | 88.8 FT% | 1.0 STL | 3.0 TO | 32.9 MIN
[B]Team Record: 13-2[/B]
[QUOTE=laronprofit9][U][B]
Per 36 Minutes Stats:[/B][/U]
Kobe
28.4 ppg 6.9 rpg 5.2 apg
Wade
23.7 ppg 5.9 rpg 3.6 apg
Kobe's been playing Ginobli Minutes, but keeping his stats at Starter Minutes.[/QUOTE]
you can't use per 36 stats because wade is basically play 36 minutes per game where kobe is playing less minutes so he gets a boost from the per 36 that wade doesn't...
i guess it's ok if you want to further an agenda or muddy the waters but it's not a fair comparison
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Thank you for proving my point. You guys SWORE I made this thread to bash Kobe, when I clearly did not. Right now Dwyane Wade is playing like a unmotivated brat, while Kobe is ripping shit. Kobe is clearly superior as of right now.
But nooooo, I made this thread because Kobe had a bad shooting night the day before, :rolleyes: idiots.[/QUOTE]
lol you made this when wade was at his peak for this season. :oldlol:
If anything we should be laughing at you now because it blew up in your face two weeks later.
[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Thank you for proving my point. You guys SWORE I made this thread to bash Kobe, when I clearly did not. Right now Dwyane Wade is playing like a unmotivated brat, while Kobe is ripping shit. Kobe is clearly superior as of right now.
But nooooo, I made this thread because Kobe had a bad shooting night the day before, :rolleyes: idiots.[/QUOTE]
This Fool calling people Idiot when he thinks LeBron and Wade are the best player :facepalm Fail in so many ways