And LeBron blows it again on the after game interview....

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Ahhh kiddies. Fans of LeBron show their age and obsession with numbers.

It's about context. Look how Wade played, and look who he played with. Wade's cast is light years worse than what LeBron had in Cleveland.

:oldlol:


No, cause CP3 did more with less and put damn impressive number himself. And Kobe carried the Lakers well before they even acquired Gasol, then meshed well enough with Gasol to become the 2nd best team in the league.

That simple.

2008 MVP is a toss up between CP3 and Bryant. They went with the team with the better record.[/QUOTE]

Exactly how old are you?

LeBron's supporting cast was atrocious in 2008. That's why the made the deal that brought in all the new players at the deadline. The fact that LeBron got 45 wins out of that team was damn impressive. Just as much as what Wade did with the Heat in 2009.

It's simple, you can't make the argument for Wade in 2009 and not for LeBron in 2008. It's almost the exact same performance.

Anyway, LeBron was better than Wade in 2009. LeBron got a team with Mo Williams and Delonte West as his #2 and #3 to 66 wins. Are they really that much better than Jermaine O'Neal or Michael Beasley?

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Funny, cause I can ... 2009 Dwyane Wade.

MVP, best team record in the East and/or the League and you get booted int he 2nd round in 6 games?

Yeaaa ... :oldlol:

I def think it you can make some arguments for other people. My man always busts his nut in the regular season.

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Wade led Miami to 43 wins, put 2009 Lebron on just about any team and they're winning more than that. I can't see Wade leading that Cleveland team to a 66 win regular season where so many games were blowouts before the 4th. Not that he had a bad team, but the cast you expect a star to lead to 66 wins? No, I can't think of another player in the league who would have made that Cleveland team that good.

And Lebron was MUCH better than Wade in the 2009 playoffs.

Lebron vs the Hawks in the 2009 playoffs- 33.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.8 TO, 55.6 FG%, 48.1 3P%, 38 mpg
Wade vs the Hawks in the 2009 playoffs- 29.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.3 rpg, 1.6 bpg, 3.6 TO, 43.9 FG%, 36 3P%, 40.7 mpg

And had the series even been close, Lebron's numbers would've probably been even more ridiculous.

Lebron's numbers for 14 playoff games- 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 7.3 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.7 TO, 51 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 41.4 mpg

And I don't care if Cleveland had home court advantage, that Orlando series was not lost because of Lebron and there was not another player who could have won that series due to these factors.

1.Dwight killing Cleveland's frontline. Dwight was great that year, but I don't think anyone expected him to average 26/13/3 on 65% shooting, have 10 points in overtime in game 4 or close out the series with 40/14/4.

2.Rashard Lewis hitting 2 series changing shots, the game-winning 3 in game 1 and the 3 that tied game 4 and sent it to OT. Rashard was a problem for Cleveland all series because he's a small forward and primarily a 3 point shooter technically playing the 4, and when he put the ball on the floor, Cleveland's power forwards were eays for him to get by.

3.Where was his help offensively? His second option Mo Williams shot 37%.

Lebron didn't have a great game 6 and he had some key turnovers in game 4, but the guy was also carrying the Cavs that series, putting up near 40 point triple doubles like it was nothing and he hit a game-winner in game 2.

I can't excuse him in the 2010 series vs Boston, I still believe he quit in those last 3 games, but I don't think he has any inability to show up in the playoffs, I just don't think he cared much in those last 3 games.

[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]LeBron's supporting cast was atrocious in 2008. That's why the made the deal that brought in all the new players at the deadline. The fact that LeBron got 45 wins out of that team was damn impressive. Just as much as what Wade did with the Heat in 2009. [/QUOTE]

Even more impressive to me from a team perspective because they were 0-7 without him that year. '09 Wade was better defensively, a better shooter(particularly mid-range) and a bit better as a scorer than 2008 Lebron, so I think '09 Wade was a better player than '09 Lebron, but '08 Lebron got more out of his team.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]You really think Rondo > Kobe in the Playoffs?

If that is the case there is no point even discussing this with you.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Rondo was the best player in the playoffs through the first three rounds. No player was more of a difference maker to his team than Rondo was to Boston.

Seriously, do you even have an argument beyond :oldlol: ? You're not really offering any kind of debate man...

[QUOTE=LA KB24]You could argue Wade had a better 08-09 season, and had more impact on his team.[/QUOTE]

Well, the Cavs won 66 games that year. The year before Miami won 15 games, so maybe you'll say Wade was worth 30 games to that team. If the Cavs only win 35 games this season, it's pretty equal. I'd actually say this Cavs' team is probably better than the 2009 supporting cast, considering Hickson and Jamison.

[quote=Samurai Swoosh]If you wanted an award for inflated stats due to ball domination, where numbers are put up in meaningless stretches ... then yea, LeBron is easily the best player in the league. It has yet to translate to winning basketball for him, however.

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Haha I don't think there was every a time where I DIDN'T agree with you.

The Cavs system was made for LeBron to get his $TATS.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Even more impressive to me from a team perspective because they were 0-7 without him that year. '09 Wade was better defensively, a better shooter(particularly mid-range) and a bit better as a scorer than 2008 Lebron, so I think '09 Wade was a better player than '09 Lebron, but '08 Lebron got more out of his team.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but I just don't think you can make the argument for Wade in 2009 and not LeBron in 2008.

lol @ Lebrons 08 supoorting cast being trash.

Should i pull up Lebron numbers against celtics in 08?

They were beyond terrible. Very low shooting percentages , high turnovers

and they still took Celtics to 7 games cuz Cavs carried Lebron

Leave it up to Lebron fan boys to try and rewrite history

[QUOTE=MrJohnWall]lol @ Lebrons 08 supoorting cast being trash.

Should i pull up Lebron numbers against celtics in 08?

They were beyond terrible. Very low shooting percentages , high turnovers

and they still took Celtics to 7 games cuz Cavs carried Lebron

Leave it up to Lebron fan boys to try and rewrite history[/QUOTE]

Good point. Lebron did play pretty Kobe-esque during that series. But at least he showed up big time in the final game: 14/29 from the field for 45 points.

How did Kobe play in the final game against Boston that same year? 7/22, 22 points. Ouch.

It isn't even funny how much better Lebron is than Kobe. Even Lebron's screwups aren't as bad. For instance,

"Continue my greatness" >>>>>>>>>>> raping hotel employees.

Eh, it's an arrogant statement made after a wine in which he was called 2,000 names. Arrogant is ok. It's not funny / stupid like "my sidekick" or explaining how joining Wade and Bosh was to make things harder for himself. Tis is nothing....

[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]I'm sorry, but if you have a problem with what he said, you're trying to find problems. It's clear he was saying that he wanted to continue the "greatness" he had in Cleveland in Miami. He just got through talking about the good times he had with the Cavs and was saying he wants to continue that with the Heat. This is such a non-story.[/QUOTE]


Agreed.

[QUOTE=RonySeikalyFTL]Good point. Lebron did play pretty Kobe-esque during that series. But at least he showed up big time in the final game: 14/29 from the field for 45 points.

How did Kobe play in the final game against Boston that same year? 7/22, 22 points. Ouch.

It isn't even funny how much better Lebron is than Kobe. Even Lebron's screwups aren't as bad. For instance,

"Continue my greatness" >>>>>>>>>>> raping hotel employees.[/QUOTE]
ahhh Try again KObe significantly outplayed Lebron against Celtics in 08

having rough sex with white women>>>>>>>.having bastard children

[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]I'm sorry, but if you have a problem with what he said, you're trying to find problems. It's clear he was saying that he wanted to continue the "greatness" he had in Cleveland in Miami. He just got through talking about the good times he had with the Cavs and was saying he wants to continue that with the Heat. This is such a non-story.[/QUOTE]


No it was not clear....in fact it was so unclear that LeBron tweeted himself to clear up what he said.
[I]
Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight![/I]
KingJames via UberTwitter

I don't understand all the negative flack I got for pointing this out.
The LeBron protectors where out in force last night. Or anyone who wanted to make this a Kobe vs. Bron issue. I have no idea why the convo always needs to head in that direction.

[QUOTE=crisoner]No it was not clear....in fact it was so unclear that LeBron tweeted himself to clear up what he said.
[I]
Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight![/I]
KingJames via UberTwitter

I don't understand all the negative flack I got for pointing this out.
The LeBron protectors where out in force last night. Or anyone who wanted to make this a Kobe vs. Bron issue. I have no idea why the convo always needs to head in that direction.[/QUOTE]

Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.

[QUOTE=kkling]Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.[/QUOTE]


Funny most people = Bron supporters.

[QUOTE=crisoner]Funny most people = Bron supporters.[/QUOTE]

Only someone with a weak argument would claim that BS.