[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.[/QUOTE]
aren't they complete opposites with respect to policy?
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.[/QUOTE]
aren't they complete opposites with respect to policy?
So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.
Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?
Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.
Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.
[QUOTE=fos]Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, [B]but he at least meant well[/B]). Clinton/Bush SR. '12
Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen![/QUOTE]
Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
So we went into Iraq for oil?
[QUOTE=fos]Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12
Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen![/QUOTE]
How old are you?
USA wants the oil of Libya. You guys are going to benefit if the USA and their allies conquer Libya. Libya is one of the richest countries in the African Union,
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.
Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
We still going with the "he lied us to war" thing? Congress had the same information on Iraq that Bush had and voted to go to war (I believe the current secretary of state voted to go to war, no?). Props to Obama for voting against it. So we went to war with Iraq for oil, what evidence do you have of that? Correct me if I'm wrong but it was and is an expensive war, I don't see us gaining anything there. No doubt it was the wrong decision to go to war but at least we got rid of a ruthless dictator who tortured and killed (hundreds?) of thousands of his own people and at least tried to bring democracy there. Also, the Iraq war isn't nearly as expensive or the cause for our debt as you lead on. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid all cost more than the war. Like I said, Bush is a retard so I can cut him some slack for poor decisions. Obama on the other hand isn't mentally retarded so he has no excuse for this bullshit.
The whole system is completely ****ed. Utterly compromised by greed and power.
The concepts of Liberty and individual's rights to that which are his/hers are long since forgotten.
The whole system is now based on concepts and idea's that will surely lead to the down fall of this empire. American's are fed garbage from both sides while ultimately leading to the same system. That they are not smart enough to make choices for themselves. Economically, socially, etc, etc... The corrupt government and the corporations that control it due to it's corrupt state will continue to use and abuse their power and mis represent the population...
Only when it's far too late will we wake up and realize we're ****ed and have no chance of turning back.
calm down, this aint no 1984
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.
Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?
Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.
Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ stop blindly defending Shitbama because you like his speeches and think he's a cool guy. That's the same reason so many idiots defended Bush (he seems like a fun guy who I can just sit at the bar and have a beer with DURR DURR)
Obama as president is responsible to play the political game and get supporters to make his shit pass. Instead after his first few months in office he was so divisive and insulting that even his own party started going against him. He is only trying to please both sides now after he realized that telling the republicans to go f*ck themselves (basically what he did his first 6 months in office) only served to piss everyone off and make them not pass his propositions just to spite him.
Bush might have started oil wars but Obama keeps pumping more money and troops in to them even though he promised to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan during his campaign. Oh yeah Obama just started a new oil war in Libya, didnt you get the memo?
Shitbama is worse than George W Bush because he promised America so much more than Bush did but he is giving America even less.
You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?
[QUOTE=chains5000]You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?[/QUOTE]
Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.
Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.
Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.
Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.
Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.[/QUOTE]
Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.
[QUOTE=chains5000]Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.[/QUOTE]
Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.
For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.
He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.
So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with [SIZE="5"][B]Berlusconi[/B][/SIZE] years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.
For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.
He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.
So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm[/QUOTE]
I'd have moved to another country by now if I was Italian.
Him winning time and time again just shows the worst flaws in democracy.