Wade or Iverson?

[QUOTE=jrong]The era-bias here is astounding. You always hear statements thrown around about how one era is tougher or more competitive than another, which unless you can quatify that statistically, is based upon nothing more than nostalgic memory. Today's players have to contend with zones, double-teaming off-the-ball, and the only form of illegal defense that exists is defensive three-seconds. The rule changes work against them just as much as they supposedly work for them.[/QUOTE]


look at AI and Kobe stats, the two best scorer from 98-06, it can be quantified . Look the avg a team score compare the #s. U ARE IGNORANT! twilight AI had put up better # than Prime AI.

i'm gonna make conclusion for this thread, BIGSMOKE and Jrong are two biggest pretenders acting like they've watched AI in their prime.

I respect every other ppl's opinions here.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Somewhat true.

However, not acknowledging how much easier perimeter players have it right now compared to the 90s or the early part of this 00's is just silly.

I'd take Wade over Iverson rather easily, but prime Iverson in this league since 05 would be putting up 35 a game if wanted to on much better efficiency.

Just look at what Iverson did in 06.

33 a game on 45% shooting.....54% true shooting.

Its not random that Iverson had his best scoring year in the same year the NBA really went overboard on the new rules.[/QUOTE]

Very good and logical points. I said from the beginning Wade is the better all around player.. I just feel the need to defend Iverson from the misinformed posters making ignorant comments about him. The era absolutely has to do with it. Wing players are protected in this era. Imagine how many "hard" fouls would be flagrant fouls that Iverson took if he played now? Teams wouldn't be allowed to rough him up anymore.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Very good and logical points. I said from the beginning Wade is the better all around player.. I just feel the need to defend Iverson from the misinformed posters making ignorant comments about him. The era absolutely has to do with it. Wing players are protected in this era. Imagine how many "hard" fouls would be flagrant fouls that Iverson took if he played now? Teams wouldn't be allowed to rough him up anymore.[/QUOTE]

Just look at Iverson's two best years getting to the ft line.

05 and 06. Shocking....LOL

Iverson was not as good of a player those years as he was earlier in his prime.

You'd definitely see Iverson bump up his scoring efficiency because it would be easier to get to the ft line and rim since the start of the 05 season.

I don't know how anyone can debate that. The NBA specifically changed the rules to make it easier on perimeter players.

Its just a fact.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Just look at Iverson's two best years getting to the ft line.

05 and 06. Shocking....LOL

Iverson was not as good of a player those years as he was earlier in his prime.

You'd definitely see Iverson bump up his scoring efficiency because it would be easier to get to the ft line and rim since the start of the 05 season.

I don't know how anyone can debate that. The NBA specifically changed the rules to make it easier on perimeter players.

Its just a fact.[/QUOTE]

Even freaking league officials have flat out said they changed the rules to help make the league more exciting and cut down on hard fouls, which will prevent injuries. Like you said it's a fact.

[QUOTE=Shih508]i'm gonna make conclusion for this thread, BIGSMOKE and Jrong are two biggest pretenders acting like they've watched AI in their prime.

I respect every other ppl's opinions here.[/QUOTE]

Whatever you say, kid. I watched the Sixers from the days of Moses Malone, Dr. J., Andrew Toney, Bobby Caldwell, Mo Cheeks though the years of Barkley, Hersey Hawkins, Johnny Dawkins, Ron Anderson to the years of Iverson, Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Toni Kukoc, etc. Last decade, I moved around a lot, so I have to admit that I'm not as acquainted with the Igudoala years, but I'm catching up on them now. Jrue Holiday is a player.

So you were saying, little boy?

[QUOTE=jrong]Whatever you say, kid. I watched the Sixers from the days of Moses Malone, Dr. J., Andrew Toney, Bobby Caldwell, Mo Cheeks though the years of Barkley, Hersey Hawkins, Johnny Dawkins, Ron Anderson to the years of Iverson, Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Toni Kukoc, etc. Last decade, I moved around a lot, so I have to admit that I'm not as acquainted with the Igudoala years, but I'm catching up on them now. Jrue Holiday is a player.

So you were saying, little boy?[/QUOTE]

ok maybe u are just dumb who can't see the fact that everyone's stating here.

if my team needs a dominant scorer... AI is the guy to go
if i have a somehow balanced team, i'd take Wade in a heartbeat

neither of them is way better than the other

[QUOTE=jrong]Whatever you say, kid. I watched the Sixers from the days of Moses Malone, Dr. J., Andrew Toney, Bobby Caldwell, Mo Cheeks though the years of Barkley, Hersey Hawkins, Johnny Dawkins, Ron Anderson to the years of Iverson, Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Toni Kukoc, etc. Last decade, I moved around a lot, so I have to admit that I'm as acquainted with the Igudoala years, but I'm catching up on them now. Jrue Holiday is a player.

So you were saying, little boy?[/QUOTE]

Then you're like the 1 in 1000 Bulls fans that think Jordan was overrated except it's for the Sixers. For a professed Sixers fan to make comments that suggest AI is overrated or a chucker, nothing more or w/e else.. it's the opposite of what most Sixers fans would say. Iverson lead you guys back to being an elite team. Wade is a better all around player but to say he's light years better and it's not close doesn't sound like the words of a Sixers fan. Especially if you can't admit AI was a better, more deadly scorer.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Just look at Iverson's two best years getting to the ft line.

05 and 06. Shocking....LOL

Iverson was not as good of a player those years as he was earlier in his prime.

You'd definitely see Iverson bump up his scoring efficiency because it would be easier to get to the ft line and rim since the start of the 05 season.

I don't know how anyone can debate that. The NBA specifically changed the rules to make it easier on perimeter players.

Its just a fact.[/QUOTE]

Well, he also switched to point guard in '05, prior to that he played shooting guard and played off the ball more, though I do pretty much agree with your point.

While Wade has had most of his team success with Shaq and now Lebron/Bosh, I think it's a positive that he can play with both a dominant low post player and then one of the most ball dominant perimeter players as well as another elite offensive power forward. I don't think Iverson would fit as well in those situations and that's key, imo. People talk about help all the time, but not every superstar can fit in well alongside other stars which is overlooked so much when evaluating players and using championships. That's one reason why it's so hard to win championships, you usually need an elite player and then another star or 2 to go along with them, but you need your star to be productive without taking away from his star teammate(s).

And we've seen that Wade can put a team on his back and produce at an elite level with opposing defenses only worrying about him(2009 and 2010).

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, he also switched to point guard in '05, prior to that he played shooting guard and played off the ball more, though I do pretty much agree with your point.

While Wade has had most of his team success with Shaq and now Lebron/Bosh, I think it's a positive that he can play with both a dominant low post player and then one of the most ball dominant perimeter players as well as another elite offensive power forward. I don't think Iverson would fit as well in those situations and that's key, imo. People talk about help all the time, but not every superstar can fit in well alongside other stars which is overlooked so much when evaluating players and using championships. That's one reason why it's so hard to win championships, you usually need an elite player and then another star or 2 to go along with them, but you need your star to be productive without taking away from his star teammate(s).

And we've seen that Wade can put a team on his back and produce at an elite level with opposing defenses only worrying about him(2009 and 2010).[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. I'd take Wade over Iverson for a number of reasons. Defense and team play being two of the biggest. I think Iverson is one of those rare breed of players that does not need a superstar next to him...in fact, he's worse off that way.

Iverson's best team would be like his 01 team but with a guy like ray allen or some versatile shooter/scorer that wouldn't need the ball in his hands a lot.

I was just pointing out the simple fact that perimeter scoring became easier in the NBA in the 05 season.

[QUOTE=Shih508]ok maybe u are just dumb who can't see the fact that everyone's stating here.

if my team needs a dominant scorer... AI is the guy to go
if i have a somehow balanced team, i'd take Wade in a heartbeat

neither of them is way better than the other[/QUOTE]

That's what my first post says lol. I take AI if I lack scorers.. I take Wade if I need an all around player who can mesh with any team.

[QUOTE=Shih508]
if my team needs a dominant scorer... AI is the guy to go
if i have a somehow balanced team, i'd take Wade in a heartbeat

neither of them is way better than the other[/QUOTE]

This is pretty much it, both players bring different things to the table.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Well, he also switched to point guard in '05, prior to that he played shooting guard and played off the ball more, though I do pretty much agree with your point.

While Wade has had most of his team success with Shaq and now Lebron/Bosh, I think it's a positive that he can play with both a dominant low post player and then one of the most ball dominant perimeter players as well as another elite offensive power forward. I don't think Iverson would fit as well in those situations and that's key, imo. People talk about help all the time, but not every superstar can fit in well alongside other stars which is overlooked so much when evaluating players and using championships. That's one reason why it's so hard to win championships, you usually need an elite player and then another star or 2 to go along with them, but you need your star to be productive without taking away from his star teammate(s).

And we've seen that Wade can put a team on his back and produce at an elite level with opposing defenses only worrying about him([B]2009 and 2010[/B]).[/QUOTE]

2 first round exit making him better player than AI as the only main scoring threat in a team for this kind of situation?

But i do agree with u wade mash better with better players. It also shows how amazing AI's ability to carrying a team.

don't be so quick to call Iverson the better scorer. he averaged 26 points on 22 shots. Wade averages 25 points on 18 shots.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Then you're like the 1 in 1000 Bulls fans that think Jordan was overrated except it's for the Sixers. For a professed Sixers fan to make comments that suggest AI is overrated or a chucker, nothing more or w/e else.. it's the opposite of what most Sixers fans would say. Iverson lead you guys back to being an elite team. Wade is a better all around player but to say he's light years better and it's not close doesn't sound like the words of a Sixers fan. Especially if you can't admit AI was a better, more deadly scorer.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I give Larry Brown much more credit. And the Iverson years, to me at least, were a net-negative. He brought excitement and wins back and there was the trip to the Finals, but there were also the myriad off-the-court distractions, his inability to play with other talented players, the lack of player-development of other players, the way he held the franchise hostage until he was finally traded etc.

But, you are right, this would not be the most popular opinion in Philadelphia.