96-98 Jordan vs 08-10 Kobe

[QUOTE=catch24]You don't think Jordan feasts on those poor defenses Kobe went through during the playoffs? Utah, Denver? Jordan would average 30/5/5 on flawless efficiency too. Jordan vs Ginobili? Come on.

2003 Jordan schooled Pierce and Posey during his tenure with the Wizards at 40 f'ing years old. You honestly believe a smarter and more athletic version of Kobe would give up a 20 point lead at home in the Finals? Does any version of MJ during the second 3-peat get trounced by 30+ in an elimination game?

Get real.[/QUOTE]

I am talking about the Finals, MJ would have done well against the Western conference teams Kobe faced. I just don't MJ would have been leaps and bounds better then 2008 Bryant in the Finals. The Bulls may have won the series, since they were a better team then the 08 Lakers and 08 Celtics, but MJ performance would not be that much better then Bryant's.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Nah, you are just over-rating the shit out of 08 Kobe. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

It isn't overrating to suggest peak Bryant was better then past his peak Jordan.

[QUOTE=D.J.]Don't forget Richard Jefferson. Jordan lit up the Nets for 45 on New Year's Eve 2001 and 43 in February 2003. The latter being on Jefferson.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, both were great games

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0l3GkvGuU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bSZSwWqum8[/url]

We're discussing what Jordan would/wouldn't do vs Boston, though.

[QUOTE=game3524]It isn't overrating to suggest peak Bryant was better then past his peak Jordan.[/QUOTE]

It is when you say 96 MJ would do worse. Do you really think 96 MJ would ever stop on the court in the Finals with the likes of Paul Pierce and at the end of the series most people would agree that Pierce was the better player in the series?

Hell no.

Maybe the Lakers lose, but they don't go down the way Kobe did. No ****ing way any Bulls version of MJ walks onto the Finals court with Paul Pierce and doesn't come away making sure we all know who the superior player is.

And again, if Kobe does that....maybe the Lakers win. It was a lot closer than you think.

[QUOTE=game3524]I am talking about the Finals, MJ would have done well against the Western conference teams Kobe faced. I just don't MJ would have been leaps and bounds better then 2008 Bryant in the Finals. The Bulls may have won the series, since they were a better team then the 08 Lakers and 08 Celtics, but MJ performance would not be that much better then Bryant's.[/QUOTE]

Leaps and bounds better? Probably not ... but no Jordan-led team is giving up a 20 point lead during the Finals completely being shutdown and out played by Paul Pierce (nevermind losing by 30+ in an elimination game).

[QUOTE=catch24]You don't think Jordan feasts on those poor defenses Kobe went through during the playoffs? Utah, Denver? Jordan would average 30/5/5 on flawless efficiency too. Jordan vs Ginobili? Come on.

2003 Jordan schooled Pierce and Posey during his tenure with the Wizards at 40 f'ing years old. You honestly believe a smarter and more athletic version of Kobe would give up a 20 point lead at home in the Finals? Does any version of MJ during the second 3-peat get trounced by 30+ in an elimination game?

Get real.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that prime Jordan would obviously do better than Kobe, but I don't see how Jordan's numbers against Pierce and Posey are relevant because A) it was in the regular season and B) they didn't have KG and Perkins in the front court to help them.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I agree with you that prime Jordan would obviously do better than Kobe, but I don't see how Jordan's numbers against Pierce and Posey are relevant because A) it was in the regular season and B) they didn't have KG and Perkins in the front court to help them.[/QUOTE]

this isn't prime Jordan. this is 96-98..

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]It is when you say 96 MJ would do worse. Do you really think 96 MJ would ever stop on the court in the Finals with the likes of Paul Pierce and at the end of the series most people would agree that Pierce was the better player in the series?

Hell no.

Maybe the Lakers lose, but they don't go down the way Kobe did. No ****ing way any Bulls version of MJ walks onto the Finals court with Paul Pierce and doesn't come away making sure we all know who the superior player is.[/QUOTE]

See, this is the crap I am talking about. You guys are turning MJ into some mythical figure.

I can understand this dick-sucking if it was peak Jordan, but mid-late 90's.....nah.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I agree with you that prime Jordan would obviously do better than Kobe, but I don't see how Jordan's numbers against Pierce and Posey are relevant because A) it was in the regular season and B) they didn't have KG and Perkins in the front court to help them.[/QUOTE]

Point taken. '96 wasn't Jordan in his prime though, and he just doesn't settle for jumpshots the way Kobe did that series. Jordan would have found a way to get through the seams or live at the FT line.

[QUOTE=game3524]See, this is the crap I am talking about. You guys are turning MJ into some mythical figure.

I can understand this dick-sucking if it was peak Jordan, but mid-late 90's.....nah.[/QUOTE]

Its turning MJ into a mythical figure to think that he wouldn't let PP upstage him on the biggest stage in basketball?

Really?

[QUOTE=cteach111]this isn't prime Jordan. this is 96-98..[/QUOTE]

okay, whatever, jordan from 96-98. any version of jordan is better than any version of kobe whether we're comparing their prime years, tail end years, rookie seasons, etc.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]okay, whatever, jordan from 96-98. [B]any version of jordan is better than any version of kobe[/B] whether we're comparing their prime years, tail end years, rookie seasons, etc.[/QUOTE]

disagree

now Kobe'tards are going to another extreme.

Wizards Jordan is NOT better than '05-'10 Kobe.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]disagree

now Kobe'tards are going to another extreme.

Wizards Jordan is NOT better than '05-'10 Kobe.[/QUOTE]

... did you even read the part after you bolded? :oldlol:

wizards jordan is obviously not better than prime kobe, but when comparing prime vs. prime, rookie vs. rookie, tail end vs. tail end, etc. than jordan obviously comes out on top. was it that hard to understand?

Kobe has never been as good as 1996 Jordan - let's just get that out of the way. And he only has two seasons where he was roughly on par with '97 Jordan, and that's 2006 and 2007. Not '08-'10, and if so then ONLY 2008.

Kobe up to 2008 was equal to or better than 1998 Jordan. Not 2009 or 2010 Kobe though.

Also, anyone who's suggesting that '08-'10 Kobe had a larger defensive impact on games than Jordan needs to get their head examined. No way. Kobe has perhaps 2-3 years IN HIS CAREER where his defensive impact was on par with even 1998 Jordan, and none of those seasons are after 2005. Jordan's team/help defense was WORLDS beyond Kobe's and his man D was still comparable/superior, and team/help D is the largest component of overall defensive impact.

[COLOR="White"]in before eliteballer's Doc Rivers' quote[/COLOR]

You're telling me 07 Kobe, with ten 50 point games and 37 PPG post All-Star break average once he got his legs conditioned isnt as good as 96 Jordan? Right:oldlol:

No sheer coincidence how Jordan's effectiveness dropped as soon as the real 3 point line was reinstituted...