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[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]Is Pau Gasol a Top 50 player?[/QUOTE]
Pau is worth more than parish ainge or dj for sure. Has time to surpass mchale which would make him top 50.
Kobe played with better guys, he's basically the Robert horry of the top 10.
[QUOTE=Big164]Pau is worth more than parish ainge or dj for sure. Has time to surpass mchale which would make him top 50.
Kobe played with better guys, he's basically the Robert horry of the top 10.[/QUOTE]
But the reality is Kobe aint Top 10 by any stretch. 1 consolidation MVP + 2 Finals MVPs out of 7 NBA Finals in 15 season after playing for winningest franchise like Lakers just aint enough.
could've worked if played for Bulls, sixers, rockets or even hornets that drafted him.
give me Bird
[QUOTE=RRR3]So LeBron didn't shut down Derrick Rose? :roll:[/QUOTE]
no he didnt actually
[QUOTE=Big164]Pau is worth more than parish ainge or dj for sure. Has time to surpass mchale which would make him top 50.
Kobe played with better guys, he's basically the Robert horry of the top 10.[/QUOTE]
Is he Top 50 right now? Or when the Lakers won their last two titles?
[QUOTE=RRR3]Michael Jordan says hi.[/QUOTE]
in terms of sheer clutchness, Bird & MJ are neck to neck.
Bird got the shot off better at less than 1/2 a second & made many of them.
MJ got the shot off more artistically at less than second & made many.
If I have 0.4 secs left for catch & shoot, Bird should be picked over MJ easily.
If I have 0.9 secs left for catch & shoot, Pick either. both are clutch winners.
btw, ignore kobe'tards in subsequent posts who'll say "pick kobe" (just remind them 2011 dallas vs lakers, game 1 with tons of time left for buzzer brick kobe laid with no hand in his face.)
[QUOTE=imlmf]at what? raping white girls? you f ucking fa99ot[/QUOTE]
LOL I farted
[QUOTE=catch24]If Kobe were to retire today, I'd be prone to rank him below Bird. Some people may value titles and other various intangibles differently than me, but from what I've seen from their games and the information I've gathered, I just can't fathom how Kobe would be ahead of Bird (even WITH the differences I just spoke of). Bird was more dominant (evident by his MVPs and playoff performances), lead three teams to championships against some of the GREATEST teams ever assembled, was more clutch, had less blemishes in his career (be it in do-or-die situations or flat-out just playing inconsistent basketball), etc. I can go on, but you get the picture.
I just don't see it - so no, I couldn't understand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I agree with Bird over Kobe, but you acted like its absurd to rank Kobe over Bird all time. It really isn't.....depending on what criteria is used.
Agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=catch24][I]Right now[/I] I do think it would be kind of absurd. So because Kobe has 2 more titles and "better defense" (defense that he hasn't played in how many years now?), people want to rank him ahead of the greatest SF ever?
Doesn't make any sense to me, dude.[/QUOTE]
Bird has a career Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 23.5. Kobe Bryant has a career player efficiency rating of 23.6. You might think the difference is negligible, but remember Kobe came into the league as a 17-year-old. He didn’t play much his rookie or sophomore year – two years in which he posted PERs under 20. Kobe Bryant’s playoff PER average is exactly at 22.0, while Bird’s is only 21.4. Again, Kobe’s Player Efficiency Rating is higher, despite coming into the league much earlier than Larry Bird and having limited minutes in his first three years. PER, is not the dispositive factor in who is a better player, but it does eliminate the idea that “Bird was just flat-out better than Kobe.”
All star games: Kobe has 12; Bird, 12.
All-NBA First Teams: Kobe has 8; Bird has 9.
All-NBA Team total selections: Kobe has 12 and Bird has 10
So far, Bird and Kobe are as close as they come, but where Kobe truly surpasses Bird is on the defensive end. Kobe Bryant is one of the all-time great defenders. While many fans think that Bryant’s defensive reputation is overrated, the coaches of the NBA have nine times put Kobe on the All-Defensive Team.
MVPs: Bird has 2 over Kobe, but in reality that is the weakest argument one can make for Bird. First, Bird won in '84, '85 and '86. Who else was going to win? It was either going to be Magic or Bird in the '80s. There was no one else until Jordan came along' and even then it took a while for the Bulls to become good enough for Michael to warrant MVP consideration.
Politics and personality robbed Kobe of a few MVP awards.
Bird was a better shooter. Kobe is a flat out scorer.
1. better longevity: Kobe
2. better overall talent: Kobe
3. better scorer: Kobe
4. better defender: Kobe
5. better clutch: Tie
Larry Bird's drive and desire to win was insane. It is reminescent of Kobe's.
VERY CLOSE.
I have no problem with anyone ranking them, along with Hakeem, in any order from 8th thru 10th.
[QUOTE=rmt]That's some logic there.
Maybe you should let others speak for themselves.
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It's amazing what you [U]know[/U].
Again, that's some logic there. Kobe is a pale imitation of MJ.
RS
MJ 30.1pts / 6.2 reb / 5.3 asst / 2.3 stl on 50% FG
Kobe 25.3 pts / 5.3 reb / 4.7 asst / 1.5 stl on 45% FG
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LOL stupid way to compare them. Kobe at age 21 and on(same age Jordan came into the league) has been averaging 28/6/5/1 on 46%..thats 12 years of averaging that as a starter...
"hey it makes a lot of sense to compare Kobe's career averages to the GOATS when we know he came off the bench his first few years! It fits our agenda!!!!" lmao
[QUOTE=jlauber]VERY CLOSE.
I have no problem with anyone ranking them, along with Hakeem, in any order from 8th thru 10th.[/QUOTE]
Agreed
You could rank Bird, Kobe, Duncan and even Hakeem in any order.
I have Bird ahead of Kobe right now but that could change by the time Kobe calls it a day.
[QUOTE=All Net]Agreed
You could rank Bird, Kobe, Duncan and even Hakeem in any order.
I have Bird ahead of Kobe right now but that could change by the time Kobe calls it a day.[/QUOTE]
100% agreed.
:cheers:
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Bird has a career Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 23.5. Kobe Bryant has a career player efficiency rating of 23.6. You might think the difference is negligible, but remember Kobe came into the league as a 17-year-old. He didn’t play much his rookie or sophomore year – two years in which he posted PERs under 20.
Kobe Bryant’s playoff PER average is exactly at 22.0, while Bird’s is only 21.4. Again, Kobe’s Player Efficiency Rating is higher, despite coming into the league much earlier than Larry Bird and having limited minutes in his first three years.
PER, is not the dispositive factor in who is a better player, but it does eliminate the idea that “Bird was just flat-out better than Kobe.”
All star games: Kobe has 1[B][COLOR="Red"]3[/COLOR][/B]; Bird, 12.
All-NBA First Teams: Kobe has [B][COLOR="Red"]9[/COLOR][/B]; Bird has 9.
All-NBA Team total selections: Kobe has 1[B][COLOR="Red"]1[/COLOR] (he actually has 13 total, but All-NBA 3rd team wasn't around till 1989)[/B] and Bird has 10
So far, Bird and Kobe are as close as they come, but where Kobe truly surpasses Bird is on the defensive end. Kobe Bryant is one of the all-time great defenders. While many fans think that Bryant’s defensive reputation is overrated, the coaches of the NBA have nine times put Kobe on the All-Defensive Team.
MVPs: Bird has 2 over Kobe, but in reality that is the weakest argument one can make for Bird. First, Bird won in '84, '85 and '86. Who else was going to win? It was either going to be Magic or Bird in the '80s. There was no one else until Jordan came along' and even then it took a while for the Bulls to become good enough for Michael to warrant MVP consideration.
Politics and personality robbed Kobe of a few MVP awards.
Bird was a better shooter. Kobe is a flat out scorer.
1. better longevity: Kobe
2. better overall talent: Kobe
3. better scorer: Kobe
4. better defender: Kobe
5. better clutch: Tie
Larry Bird's drive and desire to win was insane. It is reminescent of Kobe's.[/QUOTE]
Fixed for you.
[QUOTE=All Net]Agreed
[B]You could rank Bird, Kobe, Duncan and even Hakeem in any order.[/B][/QUOTE]
One of those four is simply not as good as the others. "Rank in any order" is for guys who were on the same basic level as each other, and Kobe just...isn't.