ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

I'm not even going to bother making a long detailed post showcasing why this is a lot closer then the final results will demonstrate.

I'll just write a quick conclusion; "Kobe was a more prolific scorer & a far more accomplished defensive player. Magic is arguably the greatest focal-point in league history and his versatility is invaluable. The resume & their respective impact (during prime-years) is very close; I don't think Magic's play-making ability, versatility & superior rebounding ability offsets Kobe's advantage at scoring & defending his man. What puts Magic ahead of Kobe for the time being is simply having achieved more in less time; and being a more effective leader."

So, I vote for [B]Magic.[/B]
However Kobe is on the cusp of having a greater legacy then Magic (unless we shouldn't consider longevity), and my prediction is he will surpass him (as well as Shaq, Bird & Duncan) before he sets sails.

[QUOTE=RRR3]Hey OmegaMutt24,
Why are you arguing for Kobe? Hypocrite :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

:roll: You got merked on the Jerry West comment....now you searching through my posts for the past Hour....



yup UMAD...



and again you comprehend FAIL.....this is alltime rankings foo.....

I believe alltime Kobe will be Higher whether I agree o not.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Possibly the dumbest thread I've read during the project discussions; and that includes trolls with obvious agenda's.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B][SIZE="7"]Originality[/SIZE]:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, [B][SIZE="7"]but only on occasion.[/SIZE][/B] Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] [SIZE="7"]in a landslide[/SIZE]. :cheers:[/QUOTE]


:lol

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]Gotta love the insecurity in this thread. :oldlol:

Let's try another Dr. Jack style breakdown:

[B]Originality:[/B]
Kobe was a shooting guard molded in the standard model first instituted by Jordan in 1984. Magic? A rarity at 6' 9" & 235 lbs. A legitimate triple threat every possession. Inside. Outside. On the run. His size allowed him to dribble face up constantly. On defense, he blotted out the opposing guard's court vision.

[B]Scoring[/B]:
Kobe's the better shooter and far more athletic. Magic was no slouch in this department, though, but he had the teammates to feed first. He could post up and hit with hook shots all night long. The better free throw shooter. Incredible finisher as well. It's important to note that Magic's drive & dish abilities were limited by KAJ's presence in the paint.

[B]Rebounding[/B]:
Kobe is a solid rebounder, but Magic's size and strength wins this.

[B]Passing[/B]: Kobe's a skilled passer, but Magic has an unbelievable handle and always made excellent decisions with the ball. Probably the greatest fast-break trigger man ever.

[B]Defense[/B]: Kobe played inspired, physical D on the ball, but only on occasion. Magic was just a strictly team defender.

[B]Intangibles[/B]: Kobe is/was a clutch shooter, but Magic has him beat in this department because he also maximized his teammates' abilities.

[B]Career accomplishments:[/B] others already listed this, but they're not as important to me. What's more important is leading the team. Magic led his team to [I]9 finals in 12 years[/I]. Faced far more powerful teams in the 80s (lost only to the 83 Sixers, the fo fo fo Moses, the 84 Celtics, the 89 Pistons, and the 91 Bulls - all superior to the 00 teams except for the 08 Celtics and the 05 Spurs) Kobe had Shaq, a more dominant center than KAJ, for the first 8 years of his career, which mitigates his first 4 finals trips somewhat. Kobe's had the longer career, but we can't blame Magic for getting HIV that cut it short.

[B]Magic Johnson[/B] in a landslide. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
what a phucking ******* this queer is. lol'd when i read dr jack breakdown:facepalm

[QUOTE=crosso√er]Possibly the dumbest thread I've read during the project discussions; and that includes trolls with obvious agenda's.[/QUOTE]
It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You don't have to be hating to be misinformed or simply wrong. One guy is on pace to retire with the most all defensive teams of all time and he "occasionally plays defense" :oldlol:

It's a wash to me so I give Magic the edge now. Kobe later (after this season or the next for real doubters) fair enough ?

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]It already started in the previous thread.

I wonder why Trolls think their opinions matter, when they're not even part of the voting process? :confusedshrug:

And I agree with your previous post because I said in the previous debate between West & Kobe:

[I][Kobe] has the potential to pass West, Jordan, and even Abdul Jabbar with the totality of his career, though - as long he stays healthy.[/I]

Apparently that won't satisfy Troll Logic, which interprets my statement as a Hater, because I twinged somebody's insecure, tiny ego. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You really need to improve your writing; I can't distinguish your intended audience.

1) I am part of the voting process.
2) The post I quoted is the only post I've read from you (I think), ever on this forum.
3) Your post was absolute trash (completely overblown in favor of one player); I hope you were being sarcastic. If you weren't, I might as well put you on ignore since I can already project (based on your previous post) your lack of knowledge/objectivity relating to basketball (or Kobe).

[img]http://www.hyperboreans.com/Pix/ILOLD.jpg[/img]
Another Kobe Troll enters the Hall of Ignore List! :oldlol:

[QUOTE=crosso√er]You really need to improve your writing; I can't distinguish your intended audience.

1) I am part of the voting process.
2) The post I quoted is the only post I've read from you (I think), ever on this forum.
3) Your post was absolute trash (completely overblown in favor of one player); I hope you were being sarcastic. If you weren't, I might as well put you on ignore since I can already project (based on your previous post) your lack of knowledge/objectivity relating to basketball (or Kobe).[/QUOTE]

/shredded

The fact you're a voter and he continues to call you a troll is hysterical :oldlol:

[QUOTE=crosso√er]...snipped....[/QUOTE]

Been here a lot longer than you have. Just don't post as often.

1. I am part of the voting process. But... I've made far more effort in voting in this project than you have. :confusedshrug:
2. Since you're ready to judge me after 1 post, it says far more about you than my single post. :oldlol:
3. Your response was absolutely trash. :facepalm

Let's get to the forwards already. We know who 1, 2 and 3 were gonna be and the order, It was #4 through #25 we were really voting on.

[QUOTE=catch24]/shredded

The fact you're a voter and he continues to call you a troll is hysterical :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Actually... I didn't call him a troll.

In fact, I did say that I agreed with him.

Perhaps English isn't your first language. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Let's get to the forwards already. We know who 1, 2 and 3 were gonna be and the order, It was #4 through #25 we were really voting on.[/QUOTE]


Has anyone heard from GOAT? Maybe we shouldn't continue this project until he comes back.

The last two threads almost drowned, no thanks to the Kobe Trolls who came out of the woodwork. :facepalm