Dirk is above KG in the all-time list

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Dirk has a record now??? Please share?

Scoring. Plain and simple. What player during Dirk's tenure was the most dominant post season scorer?

What player during Dirk's tenure scored the most points in a game in 50 years? Scored over 2400 points three times with two scoring titles? Three times he scored the most points in the post season. Four post seasons with 30+ppg.

What player during Dirk's tenure had four scoring titles and two post seasons as the highest scorer? 8 year playoff career right at 30ppg only behind the great MJ.

What player during Dirk's tenure, after his rookie campaign outscored Dirk, as Dirk hit his prime, every year in the regular season and every year in the playoffs (one exception). Scored over 2300 points twice with one scoring title. One playoff scoring lead with a whopping 35 ppg while being the games best well rounded player.

What player during Dirk's tenure scored over 2300 points once. Has a scoring title at 30ppg. One postseason scoring title at 33ppg. Outscored Dirk in 5 of his 8 years in the leagu in the regular seasonas well as most of his seven post seasons.

What player during Dirk's tenure has two scoring titles. Scored over 2400 points once. One post season scoring title.

Dirk never got a scoring title. Never scored 2200 points. He does have one post season scoring title (one of the lowest ever). Never scored 29 ppg in the regular season or in one postseason (all of the above have scored 30 in both). We can't say for sure he has the endurance and mental toughness to score 30ppg.

To be elite all time you have to be at least elite with your contemporaries. But I think Dirk is a great player but he's been getting accolades for things he isn't. And so what if he isn't an elite scorer. He's still great. A stellar playoff performer.[/QUOTE]

Record? Dirk has the most efficient game in playoff history.....

I've been talking about the playoffs. I said if you wanted to talk about the regular season then I don't think Dirk belongs in that company of elite scorers. But I don't care all that much about the regular season. That is just me though.

You keep spouting off the highs....but what about the lows.

With all those highs, Kobe still only averaged 2 more ppg than Dirk in the playoffs in his 10 best playoff years vs Dirk's 10 best. 2 ppg....thats all. You can't ignore averages. That is what they are....averages. So if Kobe has more 40 point games, that means he has more bad games.

And the same goes for efficiency. You can't just ignore that Dirk trumps Kobe in every single efficiency stat there is in the playoffs. Every single one.

So think about it. 10 years vs 10 years....kobes' 10 best vs dirk's 10 best. and dirk is only 2 ppg behind him and easily more efficient overall.

and you want me to say kobe is in another league? LOL

The gap between the two defensively trumps Dirk's advantage on offense. KG in a landslide.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Dirk has a record now??? Please share?

Scoring. Plain and simple. What player during Dirk's tenure was the most dominant post season scorer?

What player during Dirk's tenure scored the most points in a game in 50 years? Scored over 2400 points three times with two scoring titles? Three times he scored the most points in the post season. Four post seasons with 30+ppg.

What player during Dirk's tenure had four scoring titles and two post seasons as the highest scorer? 8 year playoff career right at 30ppg only behind the great MJ.

What player during Dirk's tenure, after his rookie campaign outscored Dirk, as Dirk hit his prime, every year in the regular season and every year in the playoffs (one exception). Scored over 2300 points twice with one scoring title. One playoff scoring lead with a whopping 35 ppg while being the games best well rounded player.

What player during Dirk's tenure scored over 2300 points once. Has a scoring title at 30ppg. One postseason scoring title at 33ppg. Outscored Dirk in 5 of his 8 years in the leagu in the regular seasonas well as most of his seven post seasons.

What player during Dirk's tenure has two scoring titles. Scored over 2400 points once. One post season scoring title.

Dirk never got a scoring title. Never scored 2200 points. He does have one post season scoring title (one of the lowest ever). Never scored 29 ppg in the regular season or in one postseason (all of the above have scored 30 in both). We can't say for sure he has the endurance and mental toughness to score 30ppg.

To be elite all time you have to be at least elite with your contemporaries. But I think Dirk is a great player but he's been getting accolades for things he isn't. And so what if he isn't an elite scorer. He's still great. A stellar playoff performer.[/QUOTE]
Straight ether. :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The gap between the two defensively trumps Dirk's advantage on offense. KG in a landslide.[/QUOTE]
This. Dork ain't on KG's level. SMH @ how overrated Dork has become.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Jacks3]Straight ether. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

again....if you actually compared dirk vs kobe in the playoffs...which is what i've been talking about

[B]DIRK SCORES MORE POINTS ON BETTER FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND TS%.

STRAIGHT ETHER[/B]

:cheers:

maybe next year when Dirk have another MVP season.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]again....if you actually compared dirk vs kobe in the playoffs...which is what i've been talking about

[B]DIRK SCORES MORE POINTS ON BETTER FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND TS%.

STRAIGHT ETHER[/B]

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

against weaker defenses of course :oldlol:

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]again....if you actually compared dirk vs kobe in the playoffs...which is what i've been talking about

[B]DIRK SCORES MORE POINTS ON BETTER FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND TS%.

STRAIGHT ETHER[/B]

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

lol just last year, u were shitting Dirk on every thread like u wasn't a Mavs fan.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]against weaker defenses of course :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

what?

more than made up by the fact that kobe has played on far better teams.

playoff PER:

Dirk 24.7
Kobe 22.3

playoff ws/48

Dirk .207
Kobe .158

playoff ts%

Dirk 58.4
Kobe 54.2

playoff efg%

Dirk 49.4%
Kobe 48.1%

ORtg

Dirk 119
Kobe 110

OWS

Dirk 17 in 124 games
Kobe 19.5 in 208 games

LOL....does Kobe do anything related to scoring better than Dirk in the playoffs?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]again....if you actually compared dirk vs kobe in the playoffs...which is what i've been talking about

[B]DIRK SCORES MORE POINTS ON BETTER FG%, 3PT%, FT%, AND TS%.

STRAIGHT ETHER[/B]

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

Kobe has also played more games, going deeper in the playoffs.

At his peak, he was a better scorer than Dirk. They're both great and their efficiency is nearly identical (i.e., eFG%), but Kobe's skillset is what separates the two.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]playoff PER:

Dirk 24.7
Kobe 22.3[/QUOTE]

Kobe

18- 12.5
19- 12.8
20- 19.1
21- 19.3
22- 25.0


Dirk

18
19
20
21
22- 22.3


:bowdown: to Dirk for avoiding the NBA playoffs until he was 22 :oldlol:

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]what?

more than made up by the fact that kobe has played on far better teams.[/QUOTE]

PER has nothing do with playing a better team. Did LeBron's PER increase by playing with Wade and Bosh?

KG. I mean, he's a top 5 PF. I have him ranked 3rd on my list. His defense, all around game, impact and productiveness are the reason why he gets ranked so high.

When he got decent team mates in Minny, he took them pretty deep into the playoffs and won the MVP. Seriously, it's KG by far. And this is coming from a big Dirk fan.

[QUOTE=catch24]Kobe has also played more games, going deeper in the playoffs.

At his peak, he was a better scorer than Dirk. They're both great and their efficiency is nearly identical (i.e., eFG%), but Kobe's skillset is what separates the two.[/QUOTE]

their overall efficiency is not identical. dirk is 4% higher on ts and has a clear edge in fg%, 3pt%, and ft%

and Dirk has averaged more ppg in the playoffs.

kobe is more explosive in the playoffs...that doesn't mean better. higher highs...lower lows. averages are there for a reason.

and even if we shave off kobe's worst 4 years.....he's only 2 ppg ahead of dirk on worse efficiency overall.

definitely not a gap or in different leagues at all.

i also don't think sample size is an issue for either of them at all. we have over a decade of evidence for both of them. we know what kind of scorers they are in the playoffs. dirk has played over a season and a half worth of playoff games spread out over 11 years.