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[QUOTE=jlauber]Yep. He was a choker.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=jlauber]Yep. He was a choker.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]1960 - Loss
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Some more chokers...
Jordan choked in nine of his 15 seasons.
Bird choked in 10 of his 13.
Duncan has choked in 11 of his 15.
Oscar choked in 13 of his 14.
West choked in 13 of his 14.
Baylor choked in all 14 of his.
Kareem choked in 14 of his 20.
Shaq choked in 15 of his 19.
Hakeem choked in 16 of his 18.
And has anyone ever choked as bad as Kobe did in the '04 Finals? While Shaq was single-handedly dominating DPOY Wallace to the tune of 27 ppg on .631 shooting...Kobe was single-handedly shooting his team out of four of the five games, and wound up with a .381 FG% in that Finals.
In fact, maybe you can provide all of us here with Kobe's FG%'s in his seven Finals.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Some more chokers...
Jordan choked in nine of his 15 seasons.
Bird choked in 10 of his 13.
Duncan has choked in 11 of his 15.
Oscar choked in 13 of his 14.
West choked in 13 of his 14.
Baylor choked in all 14 of his.
Kareem choked in 14 of his 20.
Shaq choked in 15 of his 19.
Hakeem choked in 16 of his 18.
And has anyone ever choked as bad as Kobe did in the '04 Finals? While Shaq was single-handedly dominating DPOY Wallace to the tune of 27 ppg on .631 shooting...Kobe was single-handedly shooting his team out of four of the five games, and wound up with a .381 FG% in that Finals.
In fact, maybe you can provide all of us here with Kobe's FG%'s in his seven Finals.[/QUOTE]
Wilt's teammate
'69 Playoffs: 31-4-8 on 46%, '69 Finals: 38 ppg (2nd highest of all-time)
'70 Playoffs: 31-4-8 on 47%, '70 Finals: 31-3-4 on 45%
And Wilt lost both times while shooting below 36% from the freethrow line :oldlol:
:facepalm
Other than '11 Lebron, you can't surpass that on the all-time chokers list.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Wilt's teammate
'69 Playoffs: 31-4-8 on 46%, '69 Finals: 38 ppg (2nd highest of all-time)
'70 Playoffs: 31-4-8 on 47%, '70 Finals: 31-3-4 on 45%
And Wilt lost both times while shooting below 36% from the freethrow line :oldlol:
:facepalm
Other than '11 Lebron, you can't surpass that on the all-time chokers list.[/QUOTE]
In the '70 Finals, while West had a brilliant overall series, he completely choked in that game seven, and was badly outplayed by Frazier. Meanwhile, in that game seven, Chamberlain was the ONLY Laker to do ANYTHING (particularly in the first half). Wilt put up a 21 point game, on 10-16 shooting, with 24 rebounds.
And keep in mind that Wilt was only FOUR MONTHS REMOVED FROM MAJOR KNEE SURGERY. And he STILL put up the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and .625 FG%.) And "the choker" even had a "must-win" game six of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds.
And, as I already pointed out, Chamberlain chopped down Kareem in the '72 WCF's (Time Magazine hailed it as a DECISIVE win for Wilt BTW), and then won the FMVP with a 19-23 .600 series, which included a series clinching game performance of 24 points, 29 rebounds, and 9 blocks. Meanwhile West shot .376 in the entire '72 post-season, and then a horriod .325 in the Finals.
And in Wilt's LAST game, in game five of the '73 Finals, he hung a 23 point, 21 rebound game, and on 9-16 shooting. How about "Mr. Clutch?" He shot 5-17.
To be honest, in the five years in which Chamberlain played with West, West only had two good post-seasons (and yes, a great one in '69...albeit, Baylor puked all over himself in that series.) And even in the other good series, he was awful in game seven. He missed the entire '71 post-season. Then, he was just horrific in both the '72 and '73 post-seasons, and particularly in those Finals.
Once again, GREAT posts as always. You know you're history...id really like to know some of your sources...and do you make youtube videos at all?
[QUOTE=jongib369]Once again, GREAT posts as always. You know you're history...id really like to know some of your sources...and do you make youtube videos at all?[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
:cheers:
I have researched Chamberlain's career for years, and actually went to a couple of his games (albeit, it was in his last year.) And there are MANY sources out there, including several HERE. Fpliii, Julizaver, ThaRegul8r, Psileas, PHILA, Pointguard, and other's that I apologize for failing to recall at the moment.
As for YouTube videos...I wouldn't have a clue.
What is your YouTube Channel again?
[QUOTE=jlauber]Thanks.
:cheers:
I have researched Chamberlain's career for years, and actually went to a couple of his games (albeit, it was in his last year.) And there are MANY sources out there, including several HERE. Fpliii, Julizaver, ThaRegul8r, Psileas, PHILA, Pointguard, and other's that I apologize for failing to recall at the moment.
As for YouTube videos...I wouldn't have a clue.
What is your YouTube Channel again?[/QUOTE]
Id pay big money to be able to see him play. You are LUCKY! haha
It's the same as my username here
or you can just go to a post I did earlier
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273334[/url]
BTW, I will be posting some new info regarding his "decline" in the post-season, as well. It is amazing, but given the actual scoring and especially shooting percentages in the Wilt-era POST-SEASONS, he was consistently at or near his regular season numbers.
And, had he had the good "fortune" to have been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, EIGHT times, as was the case with Hakeem, his first round numbers were often HIGHER. And, I have read an idiot post claiming that Hakeem outshot Wilt from the field in the post-season (by a .528 to .522 margin), BUT, I will be comparing their post-season LEAGUE AVERAGES, (and even including eFG%'s), which CLEARLY gives Chamberlain a HUGE edge.
As examples, in Wilt's fist eight post-seasons, and in his first round, he averaged
38.7 ppg
37.0 ppg
37.0 ppg
38.6 ppg and on .559 shooting (in a post-season NBA of 105.8 ppg on .420 shooting)
27.8 ppg (and then 30.1 ppg, on .555 shooting, and against Russell)
28.0 ppg
28.0 ppg (and a great example of FG% at .612 in a post-season at .424)
25.5 ppg (and on .584 shooting, while his opposing center, Bellamy was at 20.0 on .421 shooting.)
Even in his 11th season, and only four months removed from major knee surgery, Chamberlain put up a first round of 23.7 ppg., 20.3 rpg, and .549.
And, in his 71-72 post-season, he had a 14.5 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .629 first round series (and in an NBA post-season of .446.)
So while Chamberlain was shooting .522 in his post-season career, it came in post-seasons of between .402 to .455.) Meanwhile Hakeem's .528 came in post-seasons of as high as .492, and an efg% as high as .500. MANY in the .485+ range, as well.
And, keep in mind two more interesting points. One, in Wilt's second greatest scoring season (44.8 ppg on .528 shooting) his all-time worst roster kept him from playing in the post-season (which probably cost him another 2-3+ ppg in his post-seasob career average.) And two, he faced a starting HOF center in 105 of his 160 post-season games, including Russell in 49, Thurmond in 17, and a PRIME Kareem in 11.
[QUOTE=jlauber]As a 'sidekick" he won the FMVP. And all he did in that series was average 19 ppg, 23 rpg, shoot .600, and 7.4 bpg. And in his clinching game five performance (and with two badly injured wrists...one FRACTURED)...he put up a 24 point game, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds (the ENTIRE Knick team had 39 BTW), and either 9 or 10 blocks.
And I am assuming as a "sidekick". you probably meant to Jerry West, who not only shot .376 in his entire '72 post-season, but an even worse .325 in those Finals.
Yep. He was a choker.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how you never mention Jerry Wests injuries.
[QUOTE=Horatio33]It's funny how you never mention Jerry Wests injuries.[/QUOTE]
To my knowledge, West was NOT injured in the '72 post-season. In the '73 post-season he had two bad knees (and Happy Hairston was coming off of a major injury as well...and the Lakers lost four close straight games in the closing moments...against a Knick team with SIX HOFers.)
As for '72, West was, quite simply, AWFUL. And even HE would concur. It was WILT who led that Laker team to a title.
[QUOTE=Horatio33]It's funny how you never mention Jerry Wests injuries.[/QUOTE]
And it's also funny how you never mention Wilt's, either. BTW, not only did Chamberlain PLAY with his injuries, he was generally brilliant DESPITE them. I get a kick out of Kareem missing 16 and 20 games in two different seasons with a broken wrist, and yet Chamberlain with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, not only PLAYED in the clinching game five of the '72 Finals, he DOMINATED it (24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 10 blocked shots.)
Or Reed missing one full game, and the major portions of two others (and doing absolutely nothing in either) in the '70 Finals with a tear in his quad (while Wilt, only four months from major knee surgery put up a 23-24 .625 series), while Chamberlain PLAYED the last FIVE games (and all 48 minutes in each) of the '68 ECF's with tear in his calf muscle (as well as an assortment of other injuries)...in a series in which he averaged 22 ppg and 25 rpg (and shot a well-below average...for him... .487 from the floor.)
But, I have seen posters here rip Wilt for his games six and seven of the '68 ECF's (which admittedly, were very poor games for him...albeit, he had 27 and 34 rebounds in them.) Even Russell admitted that a lessor man would not have played (which means, no one else would have.)
Just another example of the WILT DOUBLE STANDARD.