Wilt for now.
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Wilt for now.
VS Boston - 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, 10.0 apg, 6+ bpg, 56% FG, 51% FT
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[B]Season of the 76ers: the story of Wilt Chamberlain and the 1967 NBA champion Philadelphia 76ers[/B] - Wayne Lynch
[I]As soon as the 76ers reached the dressing room after their exhilarating last quarter that had given them a 140-116 victory, Wilt made a speech: "we've got to get four more wins before this season is over. Let's not lose sight of that," He was forceful, almost solemn. Such an attitude had as much to do with Philadelphia's success as Wilt's unmatched physical endowments. The key word was spoken afterwards by Alex Hannum, the 76er coach: "He was dedicated out there."[/I]
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[B]This Topic is funny.
Get Real People ...Wilt Needed Rule Changes to Stop Him From Dominating Too Much.
Kobe wasn`t even Better than Garnett in his Prime, Duncan in his Prime, Hakeem in his Prime, Charles Barkley in his Prime, David Robinson in Prime, Magic in his Prime, Bird in his Prime and Shaq in his Prime.
All those players statistically are more Efficient and Dominant.[/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]This Topic is funny.
Get Real People ...Wilt Needed Rule Changes to Stop Him From Dominating Too Much.
Kobe wasn`t even Better than Garnett in his Prime, Duncan in his Prime, Hakeem in his Prime, Charles Barkley in his Prime, David Robinson in Prime, Magic in his Prime, Bird in his Prime and Shaq in his Prime.
All those players statistically are more Efficient and Dominant.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well since you love PER, I'll play your game
PER
Magic Johnson
Season
Peak: 27.0
Career: 24.1
Playoffs
Peak: 26.2
Career: 22.9
Larry Bird
Season
Peak: 26.5
Career: 23.5
Playoffs
Peak: 26.3
Career: 21.4
Kobe Bryant
Season
Peak: 28.0
Career: 23.6
Playoffs
Peak: 26.8
Career: 22.3
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]This Topic is funny.
Get Real People ...Wilt Needed Rule Changes to Stop Him From Dominating Too Much.
Kobe wasn`t even Better than Garnett in his Prime, Duncan in his Prime, Hakeem in his Prime, Charles Barkley in his Prime, David Robinson in Prime, Magic in his Prime, Bird in his Prime and Shaq in his Prime.
All those players statistically are more Efficient and Dominant.[/B][/QUOTE]
Prime Kobe = Prime Garnett = Prime Chuck.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Well since you love PER, I'll play your game
PER
Magic Johnson
Season
Peak: 27.0
Career: 24.1
Playoffs
Peak: 26.2
Career: 22.9
Larry Bird
Season
Peak: 26.5
Career: 23.5
Playoffs
Peak: 26.3
Career: 21.4
Kobe Bryant
Season
Peak: 28.0
Career: 23.6
Playoffs
Peak: 26.8
Career: 22.3[/QUOTE]
[B]The difference was that Magic and Bird played with alot of HOFs and or All Stars so their games where based on Team Game instead of an Individual Game (Kobe always). Playing with alot of HOFs and Stars lowers your PER especially if you have 3-4 All Stars or HOFs playing together.
I think you should compare their PERs according to their time and where they locate among their generation of players.
Bird i think lead 2 Seasons in PER or 1 and he stayed among the Best in the Play-Offs. For Magic he had one of the Highest PER in the Play-Offs and what he did in the Finals was just unreal. Bird had 2 Rings without McHale as a Starter. Lets not forget that. Also, Bird averaged a Triple Double in the 1986 Finals.
Bird and Magic are also Highe in EFF and Plus/Minus. Probably also Higher in Shot Made/Missed Diferential too[/B]
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Did Chamberlain impact the NBA's pace, or was it just coincidence that he showed up and the entire league pace drastically increased?
Did Kobe impact the league to such an extent they had to re-write the entire rulebook? But even when the NBA made up all those new rules to stop him, did Kobe still break 150 records? [I]{P.S. there aren't any rules designed to stop Kobe}[/I]
Is Phil Jackson a better coach than Neil Johnston? What about Dolph Schayes or Dick McGuire or Joe Mulaney or Butch Van Breda Kopf? Is he a better coach than them?
Is Robert Horry better in his league than Tom Meschery was in his?
How about Tom Gola? Was he a better playoff performer in his league than........ ANY starter on Kobe's teams?
1959-60 12.6 ppg .412 fg% 10.6 reb 5.6 ast
1960-61 9.7 ppg [B].206 fg%[/B] 12.3 reb 5.0 ast
1961-62 6.3 ppg [B].271FG%[/B] 8.2 reb 2.7 ast
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What about Lamar Odom ? Is he a better 6th man his league than Billy Cunningham was in '68 when he broke his arm in 3 places in the playoffs?
Is Elgin Baylor's 1970 and '71 playoff record better than Pau Gasol's 2009 & 2010 playoff record?
Speaking of the '71 playoffs, how did Wilt's star teammates Baylor and West perform? [I]{P.S. they both drew DNP}[/I]
If you don't see the point then, no, i guess not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah forgive me if I don't see the merit of debating unremarkable bench players from different eras.
Did Wilt play with any all stars?
Did he play with any HOFers?
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]The difference was that Magic and Bird played with alot of HOFs and or All Stars so their games where based on Team Game instead of an Individual Game (Kobe always). Playing with alot of HOFs and Stars lowers your PER especially if you have 3-4 All Stars or HOFs playing together.
I think you should compare their PERs according to their time and where they locate among their generation of players.
Bird i think lead 2 Seasons in PER or 1 and he stayed among the Best in the Play-Offs. For Magic he had one of the Highest PER in the Play-Offs and what he did in the Finals was just unreal. Bird had 2 Rings without McHale as a Starter. Lets not forget that. Also, Bird averaged a Triple Double in the 1986 Finals.
Bird and Magic are also Highe in EFF and Plus/Minus. Probably also Higher in Shot Made/Missed Diferential too[/B][/QUOTE]
Kobe's 2009 Playoff run had a 26.8 PER (higher PER than any of Magic's and Bird's best playoff runs) and had a 28.3 PER in the 2009 Finals (Higher than any of Magic's, Bird's, Hakeem's, Kareem's best Finals performances)
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Yeah forgive me if I don't see the merit of debating unremarkable bench players from different eras.
Did Wilt play with any all stars?
Did he play with any HOFers?[/QUOTE]
Chamberlain, with LITTLE help, faced the Celtic Dynasty in TEN of his 14 seasons. Those Celtic teams ranged from FIVE to NINE HOFers on EACH roster. Then, Wilt faced the Knicks in the post-season, FOUR more seasons, and those Knick teams had between FOUR to SIX HOFers on each of them.
I tell you what, give me another "great" that had to go thru team's that collectively had TEN HOFers, in three straight playoff series, like Wilt's '67 Sixers faced (and they ROUTED all three of those teams BTW.)
And La Frescobaldi already DESTROYED the Simmons' MYTH that Wilt played with as many HOFers as Russell. Russell played alongside his HOF teammates in 71 FULL seasons...while Wilt got 20 FULL seasons from his.
The fact that Wilt could single-handedly carry his 61-62 and 64-65 rosters to within a TOTAL of THREE points, in two game seven's is truly remarkable. He also took a roster that couldn't beat a team of rookies and scrubs in a pre-season scrimmage (sans Wilt, of course) to a 48-32 record in the '64 season, and a trip to the Finals, where they lost to Russell's Celtics, and their 8-2 edge in HOFers, 4-1. And two of those losses were decided in the last few seconds. All with a cast of clowns, who played even WORSE in the post-season.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Yeah forgive me if I don't see the merit of debating unremarkable bench players from different eras.
Did Wilt play with any all stars?
Did he play with any HOFers?[/QUOTE]
All those guys were starters except Odom & Billy C
HoFers? Like Tom Gola? The guy who shot .206% in the playoffs - yeah he's HoF
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]La Fres...
Wilt was a second option in '69 when Jerry West averaged 38 PPG in the '69 Finals and had 42 points, 13 rebounds, and 12 assists in game 7
not only that, Elgin Baylor was on the team too (top 20 player alltime)
And they DIDN'T win the championship[/QUOTE]
How about this...
A Baylor who shot a team WORST .385 from the floor in that post-season?
Or Baylor and West collectively shooting 1-14 in the 4th quarter of game three, a six point loss. Baylor scored a TOTAL of 24 points in games three thru five (two of the losses.) Or the fact that Baylor shot 8-22 from the field in that game seven, two-point loss. Or the fact that, while Chamberlain went 7-8 from the floor in that game seven, his teammates collectively shot .360 from the field in that game.
Oh, and incidently, how about West in the 71-72 playoffs, when he shot .376 during the entire playoffs, and get this, .325 in the Finals. Meanwhile, Wilt shutdown Kareem in the WCF's, particularly in the clinching game six win, and then dominated the Knicks in the Finals, particularly in the clinching game five win, en route to a FMVP.
lol @ Wilt Chamberlian with an argument for GOAT :facepalm
[QUOTE=zizozain]lol @ Wilt Chamberlian with an argument for GOAT :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yeah...just because he STILL holds some 100+ NBA records. Or that he absolutely crushed his peers(and his opposing centers...MANY of whom are in the HOF) throughout his career, like NO OTHER player ever did. Or that the NBA had to create MULTIPLE RULES to curtail his domination.
Or that he was one of the GREATEST PLAYOFF performers of all-time, especially in BIG games. And that he usually just MURDERED his opposing centers in those playoffs.
Yep... no case.
Wilt beat up on friggin bums
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Wilt beat up on friggin bums[/QUOTE]
Yep...players like Bellamy, Reed, Cowens, Hayes, Thurmond, McAdoo, Unseld, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem...all in the HOF.