Wade is holding Lebron back...

[QUOTE=Brickz187]Lebron held Wade, and the rest of the Miami Heat organization back from winning it's second title. It was and always will be his fault. If he played just half of his abilities, he would have his ring, and would be playing alongside a 2 time FMVP. Fact is, I want to see this team win as many rings as possible as a Heat fan. I don't care who wins it for us, but somebody better get us that ring. If its Lebron leading I don't care. If its Wade or Bosh I don't care. Whoever it is better get us that trophy.[/QUOTE]

Actually... without Lebron Miami would have not even been in the Finals or even ECF.... the way he closed out the Celtics to get to ECF and the way he murdered Bulls (while Wade was absolutely horrible) got them to the Finals.... actually without Lebron there at all Wade was not able to get past 1st round since 2006...........

Please dont make this a Wade vs Lebron bash fest.... i love them, they are my favorite players..... but i DONT think they complement eachother so well.....

[QUOTE=Tenchi Ryu]Problem is, that team might not have been garbage looking at what's happened this year.

Varejao was a beast this year before his injury....
Jamison is a good number 2 for Kyrie right now
Mo was great the first half of the year off the clippers bench
Sessions molded into a damn good point guard

I wouldn't call that garbage.[/QUOTE]

Lebron has declined athletically and as a result his half court game has taken quite a large hit. I have great doubts that Cleveland would've been as good as they were in 09 and 10 unless they still did the Mo Williams trade which ended up with them getting Kyrie, which is possible. Without the Kyrie trade, they are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the East right now. With the trade, they are anywhere from the 1st to 3rd best team in the East.

Like I said from 05-10, Lebron put up 29/7/7 on 48% vs. 27/8/7 on 52% since he came to Miami.

On the other hand, from 05-10 Wade put up 27/5/7 on 48% vs. 25/6/5 on 50% since Lebron came to Miami.

I excluded their rookie years. There numbers haven't suffered that much and alot of that could be due to an athletic decline especially cause there game is so dependent on athleticism.

The greatest players rarely ever see that big of a statistical difference regardless of what situation they're in. Jordan's numbers didn't go down much once Pippen elevated his game. Kobe's numbers without Shaq are not significantly different then what they've been without him contrary to popular belief. Its not the star players that have to sacrifice much when they play on better teams. Its the role players and lesser stars who sacrifice their production first because first of all they're the first to have to sacrifice their minutes and second of all, they obviously they do and should defer to better players i.e. the stars.

[QUOTE=pauk]Actually... without Lebron Miami would have not even been in the Finals or even ECF.... the way he closed out the Celtics(while Wade was flat out the best player in that series) to get to ECF and the way he murdered Bulls (while Wade was absolutely horrible, but clutch) got them to the Finals.... actually without Lebron there at all Wade was not able to get past 1st round since 2006(and lebron wouldn't have made it to the Finals)...........[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Please dont make this a Wade vs Lebron bash fest.... i love them, they are my favorite players..... but i DONT think they complement eachother so well.....[/QUOTE]
I sort of agree. But Lebron should learn how to play off the ball. That's why he regresses when the ball is out of his hand.

[QUOTE=D-Wade316]
I sort of agree. But Lebron should learn how to play off the ball. That's why he regresses when the ball is out of his hand.[/QUOTE]

why should Lebron learn how to play off the ball when he is much better and more dominant with the ball in his hands anyway? You are essentially asking the best player in the league to change his game in order to defer to his inferior teammate...sorry brah, it doesn't work like that

[QUOTE=madmax]why should Lebron learn how to play off the ball when he is much better and more dominant with the ball in his hands anyway? You are essentially asking the best player in the league to change his game in order to defer to his inferior teammate...sorry brah, it doesn't work like that[/QUOTE]

Then what do you guys want? Do you wish that he had stayed in Cleveland? Didn't you all say that he didn't have enough help there? He teamed up with Wade because he knew he couldn't do it alone.

And learning to play off the ball is not deferring. It's just another skill that an elite player of his size should definitely work on.

The real best player in the league, Kevin Durant, almost always plays off the ball, so it's not like you have to be a ball dominant player to be the best.

[QUOTE=D-Wade316]Fixed.

I sort of agree. But Lebron should learn how to play off the ball. That's why he regresses when the ball is out of his hand.[/QUOTE]

Lebron is a better player than Wade... he is also non-injury proned, more consistant and younger... the ball should be in HIS hands...

The only one who should learn to play more off the ball is Wade... And Wade doesnt regress when the ball is out of his hand? when you are between Deron Williams and Russell Westbrook in PPG then you know that you as a superstar scorer have regressed...

LeBron should get the ball in the fourth quarter, because as others said, Wade is better off the ball, and Wade doesn't need a confidence boost (LeBron does, though). It's better for LeBron to get more confidence in the clutch. He's only been LeClutch about 5 times this year (twice against the Sixers, including last night, once against Pacers, once against Pistons, and once against Jazz, although he ruined it by not taking last shot). Plus, as great as Wade is, LeBron is LeBron, when he's firing on all cylinders, there's no one better than him (including Durant, stop riding his balls because you're desperate for someone to be better than LBJ :rolleyes:)

LOL you guys act like Lebron learning how to play off the ball better is a bad thing. It would be great for him and his team. Same thing goes for Wade.

[QUOTE=pegasus]Then what do you guys want? Do you wish that he had stayed in Cleveland? Didn't you all say that he didn't have enough help there? He teamed up with Wade because he knew he couldn't do it alone.

And learning to play off the ball is not deferring. It's just another skill that an elite player of his size should definitely work on.

The real best player in the league, Kevin Durant, almost always plays off the ball, so it's not like you have to be a ball dominant player to be the best.[/QUOTE]

what do we want?
How about Wade, being a SG and all that jazz, finally learns how to hit a damn jumper? Dude is already declining and blowing more layups at the rim than ever in his career, yet he still can't shoot worth a damn. And if one player is superior to another, you go on and tell me, which one should be adapting his game for the good of his team?

[QUOTE=pegasus]Then what do you guys want? Do you wish that he had stayed in Cleveland? Didn't you all say that he didn't have enough help there? He teamed up with Wade because he knew he couldn't do it alone.

And learning to play off the ball is not deferring. It's just another skill that an elite player of his size should definitely work on.

The real best player in the league, Kevin Durant, almost always plays off the ball, so it's not like you have to be a ball dominant player to be the best.[/QUOTE]


They're clueless about that cuz they know nothing about basketball. They HATE the idea of Lebron deferring to Wade or anybody else cuz it completely kills their Jordan comparisons. That being said, if he's been in the league for almost 9 years and STILL can't learn to play without the ball, something's wrong.

[QUOTE=madmax]what do we want?
How about Wade, being a SG and all that jazz, finally learns how to hit a damn jumper? Dude is already declining and blowing more layups at the rim than ever in his career, yet he still can't shoot worth a damn. And if one player is superior to another, you go on and tell me, which one should be adapting his game for the good of his team?[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot...And I say that being one of the biggest LeGod fans on this planet.

And Wade has changed his game to appease the presence of LeBron FYI.

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Lebron is the better Player and in all truth I wish they traded Wade for D12(I know they never Would) but that would get Lebron his 6 or 7 championships.. Wade and Lebron in the halfcourt is like Oil and Water..[/QUOTE]


Yeah....trade away the one guy who actually wanted the ball and was actually doing something in last year's Finals. While Lebron just stood around all shook....right?:applause:

Makes sense if you don't think about it:facepalm

[QUOTE=Doctor Rivers]Wade is the 2nd best SG of all time... lebron can only hope to be half the finals performer he is[/QUOTE]

You really think Jordan is the third best SG all time?

Playoffs are just around the corner, guys.

I think this Heat team will be fine, with both clicking on all cylinders.

Playoff time comes, I doubt anybody is holding anybody else back.