Why do some fans rank Kobe Bryant ahead of Tim Duncan?

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lol u cant be serious. im done with this debate after this post... so kobe's been the best guard defender... so what. how is that mutually exclusive to duncan being x10 the defensive presence that kobe is?

-top 5 in rebounding in playoffs
-all time leader in blocks

duncan controls the paint and grabs rebounds, blocks shots and alters many many more. night in and night out, hes banging in their with the other teams best big man. once again, spurs havent had a legitimate center in over 6-7 years... hes been the defensive anchor of that team since 1997.

Incoming defense: but, but duncans a center/forward while kobe's a guard! and thats expected (dominance on defense). well so be then, kobe and duncan cant control how tall/big they become. but then again... kobe's a slasher/dunker/dribbling/faster/jumps higher, so it evens out

[QUOTE=onhcetum]lol u cant be serious. im done with this debate after this post... so kobe's been the best guard defender... so what. how is that mutually exclusive to duncan being x10 the defensive presence that kobe is?

-top 5 in rebounding in playoffs
-all time leader in blocks

duncan controls the paint and grabs rebounds, blocks shots and alters many many more. night in and night out, hes banging in their with the other teams best big man. once again, spurs havent had a legitimate center in over 6-7 years... hes been the defensive anchor of that team since 1997.[/QUOTE]

You are not blowing me out of the water by repeating top 5 statistics and phony all time best accolades.

top 5 in steals in the the playoffs (likely top 4 finish)
top 7 in assists in the playoffs (likely top 4 finish)
top 3 in scoring in the playoffs (likely all time leader)

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How many DPOY awards did Duncan win?

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]You are not blowing me out of the water by repeating top 5 statistics and phony all time best accolades.

top 5 in steals in the the playoffs (likely top 4 finish)
top 7 in assists in the playoffs (likely top 4 finish)
top 3 in scoring in the playoffs (likely all time leader)

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How many DPOY awards did Duncan win?[/QUOTE]

top5 steals doesnt mean shit. I've already ceded that kobe is the better passer (in a vacuum but if we are comparing passing for a guard vs passing for a big, than he isnt that much better than duncan at passing). he can be #1 all time in steals by 2,000+ and it doesnt change the fact that duncan controls the paint and changes the game DEFENSIVELY. stop throwing these empty stats at me. I wish I didn't even mention the blocks/rebounds. You just needa watch basketball to know duncan is a game changer on the defensive end, altering shots/boxing out/blocks/rebounds/ and basically ANCHOR A DEFENSE that has lacked a legit center for years NOW. as good as kobe is as a perimeter defender, he is NOT WHERE NEAR AS dominant as duncan on the defensive end (yes, bc he's a big and kobe isn't. but that's life, you play the cards ur delt)

[QUOTE=onhcetum]top5 steals doesnt mean shit. I've already ceded that kobe is the better passer [B](in a vacuum but if we are comparing passing for a guard vs passing for a big, than he isnt that much better than duncan at passing)[/B]. he can be #1 all time in steals by 2,000+ and it doesnt change the fact that duncan controls the paint and changes the game DEFENSIVELY. stop throwing these empty stats at me. I wish I didn't even mention the blocks/rebounds. You just needa watch basketball to know duncan is a game changer on the defensive end, altering shots/boxing out/blocks/rebounds/ and basically ANCHOR A DEFENSE that has lacked a legit center for years NOW. as good as kobe is as a perimeter defender, he is NOT WHERE NEAR AS dominant as duncan on the defensive end (yes, bc he's a big and kobe isn't. but that's life, you play the cards ur delt)[/QUOTE]
LOL at the double standards you have set.

You admitted Kobe was the best guard defender, but said it fdoesnt mean anything because big men affect the game more on D, but then when someone says Kobe's the better passer[I] it's well I guess so for a guard[/I].:oldlol:

[QUOTE=tpols]LOL at the double standards you have set.

You admitted Kobe was the best guard defender, but said it fdoesnt mean anything because big men affect the game more on D, but then when someone says Kobe's the better passer[I] it's well I guess so for a guard[/I].:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I worded it wrong. You guys bring up passing and you act like duncan is some sort of klutz when in fact, he's a really good passer. thats all im trying to say.

What do analysts think?


Before the 2010 NBA finals began, Interbasket asked 54 sportswriters, analysts, and basketball experts from around the country to name the top 5 NBA players of all-time. Not a completely surprising list, but there are some interesting results.

1. Michael Jordan 50 of 54 (92.6%)
2. Magic Johnson 44 of 54 (81.5%)
3. Wilt Chamberlain 37 of 54 (68.5%)
4. Larry Bird 35 of 54 (64.8%)
5. Bill Russell 30 of 54 (55.6%)
6. Oscar Robertson 24 of 54 (44.4%)
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 of 54 (40.7%)
8. Kobe Bryant 10 of 54 (40.7%)

Kobe got 10 votes, Duncan 2.

[url]http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/[/url]


What do fans think?


SportsNation Rankings

rank. player. points

1.Michael Jordan 226,755
2.Magic Johnson 173,043
3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 150,695
4.Wilt Chamberlain 138,446
5.Larry Bird 136,612
6.Bill Russell 122,451
7.Kobe Bryant 118,471
8.Shaquille O'Neal 89,786
9.Hakeem Olajuwon 68,392
10.Tim Duncan 48,706

[url]http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260[/url]

TNT Player of the Decade (2000-2009) Fan Vote

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Kobe was better. Simple.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]What do analysts think?


Before the 2010 NBA finals began, Interbasket asked 54 sportswriters, analysts, and basketball experts from around the country to name the top 5 NBA players of all-time. Not a completely surprising list, but there are some interesting results.

1. Michael Jordan 50 of 54 (92.6%)
2. Magic Johnson 44 of 54 (81.5%)
3. Wilt Chamberlain 37 of 54 (68.5%)
4. Larry Bird 35 of 54 (64.8%)
5. Bill Russell 30 of 54 (55.6%)
6. Oscar Robertson 24 of 54 (44.4%)
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 of 54 (40.7%)
8. Kobe Bryant 10 of 54 (40.7%)

Kobe got 10 votes, Duncan 2.

[url]http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/[/url]


What do fans think?


SportsNation Rankings

rank. player. points

1.Michael Jordan 226,755
2.Magic Johnson 173,043
3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 150,695
4.Wilt Chamberlain 138,446
5.Larry Bird 136,612
6.Bill Russell 122,451
7.Kobe Bryant 118,471
8.Shaquille O'Neal 89,786
9.Hakeem Olajuwon 68,392
10.Tim Duncan 48,706

[url]http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260[/url]

TNT Player of the Decade (2000-2009) Fan Vote

[IMG]http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1600/kobepotd.jpg[/IMG]

Kobe was better. Simple.[/QUOTE]
Yup. A chucker and a top five second tier player is better than a legit top 7 player.

[QUOTE=Big#50]Yup. A chucker and a top five second tier player is better than a legit top 7 player.[/QUOTE]

Haha, this retard ranks Tim Duncan as the 2nd best player ever after MJ..:facepalm

OK. do we all realize that TD was unable to defend his title once?


thats right ill say it again.

ZEEEERRRRRRROOOOOOO defended titles

as in


[SIZE="7"]0[/SIZE] title defenses.

sorry folks thats a pretty soft champion.

TD was and is too mentally weak to defend a title.


read it again children let it sink in

[SIZE="7"]ZERO[/SIZE] titles defended

Kobe has 3 defended titles. shaq has 2 and pau has 1.

also prime shaq takes a shit on any version of Tim Duncan. Tim is top 10 all time but please with this ish already. when you are compared to jordan you are the greatest player of your era period.

EDIT::kobe:

/thread

[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]OK. do we all realize that TD was unable to defend his title once?


thats right ill say it again.

ZEEEERRRRRRROOOOOOO defended titles

as in


[SIZE="7"]0[/SIZE] title defenses.

sorry folks thats a pretty soft champion.

TD was and is too mentally weak to defend a title.


read it again children let it sink in

[SIZE="7"]ZERO[/SIZE] titles defended

EDIT::kobe:

/thread[/QUOTE]
Brilliant argument. Clearly Kobe>Wilt too, since Wilt never won back-to-back titles. :rolleyes:

Also while Tim has the edge on playoff appearances kobe never lost to an 8 seed while being a one seed.


oh yeah. forgot to mention tim failed to defend his title once and thats with 2 hall of fame guards a hall of fame center and a top 5 coach all time!!!



LOLWUT?

Some do, some don't.

I have Duncan over Kobe. But I could see Kobe's longevity surpass him, if he could be very productive for another title run, possibaly add another MVP and Finals MVP as well.

It's a big what if, but not totally out of the woods.

Duncan's longevity hasn't been that great. He's having a very up and down playoff run and depending what he does in the Finals (pending he gets there), might be my deciding factor about where they rank.

I don't think it will make that much of difference, since Duncan isn't the best player on the Spurs now, but he is still their anchor.

[QUOTE=SMoKe0uT]Also while Tim has the edge on playoff appearances kobe never lost to an 8 seed while being a one seed. [B]He got swept defending his title, though:roll: [/B]


oh yeah. forgot to mention tim failed to defend his title once and thats with 2 hall of fame guards a hall of fame center and a top 5 coach all time!!! [B]Kobe failed to defend a title with Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton and Phil Jackson as coach. Next.[/B]



LOLWUT?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Brilliant argument. Clearly Kobe>Wilt too, since Wilt never won back-to-back titles. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


Did wilt have 2 hall of fame guards a hall of fame center (well PF in his case) and maybe the best coach of all time? naa didnt think so... and on top of that he faced the greatest dynasty of all time?

brilliant argument bro atleast wilt actually made it to two finals in a row. same cant even be said for duncan who failed at even defending the western conference title.

next.

[QUOTE]Brilliant argument. Clearly Kobe>Wilt too, since Wilt never won back-to-back titles.[/QUOTE]

Not that I'm trying to start a Wilt vs Kobe argument...

It still boggles my mind as to how Wilt never led his teams to back to back titles.

He was the anchor to two of the greatest teams of all-time, but it's crazy to me.

Anyways, carry on.