ISH: Where MJ and Shaq allegedly had a higher peak than Wilt Chamberlain

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Taking into account competition, all-around skillset, impact, postseason play, and intangibles - leadership, play in crunchtime, etc - it's still MJ.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: nope - MJ has no case here

OP doesn't understand peak. Wilt's was nowhere near the level of Shaq's or Jordan's. If you want to talk about careers, longevity or individual talent, sure. Wilt is somewhere in the mix. But peaks? Wilt shouldn't be in the conversation. #3 at the absolute best. Shaq's and Jordan's peak years were utter dominance.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Jordan would have averaged like 38[B]-46[/B][B] ppg[/B]/10+ reb/7+ ast back then depending on the season and would have had games of 80+ points a few times. Not sure why you don't think it's debatable that he, Shaq, and possibly KAJ had better peaks.[/QUOTE]
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Ridiculous. No. Peak MJ would be lucky to average Baylors partial season avg of 38ppg for a full season on slightly better efficiency in "Wilt's era". 46ppg is stupid to even suggest. MJ's peak is not miles beyond Oscars, or Baylors, or Barry's, or Jerry West's. You transport him into the era with increased offensive charge calls or particularly the few seasons with a narrower lane the guy is not going to be touching 40 points per game that is a totally baseless and random number you came up with.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:oldlol: nope - MJ has no case here[/QUOTE]

Don't be a fool.

[QUOTE=shaq2000]OP doesn't understand peak. Wilt's was nowhere near the level of Shaq's or Jordan's. If you want to talk about careers, longevity or individual talent, sure. Wilt is somewhere in the mix. But peaks? Wilt shouldn't be in the conversation. #3 at the absolute best. Shaq's and Jordan's peak years were utter dominance.[/QUOTE]
Shattering the record book by a mile and putting it so far out of reach that it still stands today with no challengers ever coming close isn't utter dominance? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Don't be a fool.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Jordan would have averaged like 38-46 ppg/10+ reb/7+ ast back then depending on the season and would have had games of 80+ points a few times. Not sure why you don't think it's debatable that he, Shaq, and possibly KAJ had better peaks.[/QUOTE]First he'd have to learn to dribble the ball correctly. Jordan would be called for every violation known to mankind the way the game was called in the 60's. Traveling, palming, carry over. 75% of his moves would be illegal. Every crossover would result in a tweeeeet

MJ's per 36 minutes ppg in '87 was 33 ppg.

Regarding Wilt's 50 point seasons...his per 36 minutes ppg was 'only' 37 ppg. Adjust that for pace it would be much lower. If you factor that by playing 48 minutes means he also played in a lot of garbage minutes against 60's scrubs it would be lower still. Nice stamina though...

If Wilt was way better than Shaq and MJ, then where do you rank George Mikan in comparison to them?

I really could not give a **** what his vertical leap was or how much he could bench press.

Watch the guys college games. The way he explodes in the air on a block attempt and runs up and down the court is out of this world. It's not how high he could jump, it's how he did it with such quickness. Just the way he could move around the court, jump, and run were comparable to a guard. Wilt would still kill the NBA today.

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Wilt after this playing days.

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34-35 year old Shaq. I didn't want to post any of the Phoenix, Cleveland, or Boston pics..just not pretty.

Wilt took care of himself. The guy could have played into his 40's. Teams offered him contracts years after his retirement.
If you are 7'1" why do you need to jump more than 30-40 inches off the ground..not necessary, but Wilt does show it in some of the footage out there. A guy that is 5'7" or 6'6" needs every inch to get up higher, but a 7 footer doesn't have to jump that high for a 10 foot goal. Use some logic guys. Maybe if the basket was 12 or 13 feet high ok.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:biggums:


Ridiculous. No. Peak MJ would be lucky to average Baylors partial season avg of 38ppg for a full season on slightly better efficiency in "Wilt's era". 46ppg is stupid to even suggest. MJ's peak is not miles beyond Oscars, or Baylors, or Barry's, or Jerry West's. You transport him into the era with increased offensive charge calls or particularly the few seasons with a narrower lane the guy is not going to be touching 40 points per game that is a totally baseless and random number you came up with.[/QUOTE]

Hey look, it's one of those 20-somethings who think it's cool to go against the grain and be 100% all about the old school players. We get it. You know your history. But to suggest MJ's peak wouldn't average even close to 40 ppg in an era where teams were getting an absurd amount of possessions (and just assuming he wouldn't adjust to the different rules) is just stupid. I mean at his scoring best he was averaged 33-37 ppg, so to suggest he wouldn't even touch 40 in the 60s is ignorant.

Wilt's peak is right up there at the top for me. It's Wilt, Shaq, and Jordan in some order. But come on dude, you can like the players that actually played in your lifetime, too. You don't have to be that extreme with your old school love.

Sports fans in general are usually moronic. No respect for the history of the game or other eras, just "my era is the best era" kind of bullshit that will make them cry when the same uninformed morons from another generation will call MJ overrated and say he played in a weak era.

The disrespect of Wilt on this board is flat out embarrassing.

[QUOTE=ThunderStruk022]Hey look, it's one of those 20-somethings who think it's cool to go against the grain and be 100% all about the old school players. We get it. You know your history. But to suggest MJ's peak wouldn't average even close to 40 ppg in an era where teams were getting an absurd amount of possessions (and just assuming he wouldn't adjust to the different rules) is just stupid.

Wilt's peak is right up there at the top for me. It's Wilt, Shaq, and Jordan in some order. But come on dude, you can like the players that actually played in your lifetime, too. You don't have to be that extreme with your old school love.[/QUOTE]
MJ is oldschool too dipshit. And i've defended MJ many times on this forum but this specific topic is just a :facepalm

One man owns the recordbook by a mile and his name wasn't MJ, nor was it Shaq. People are making up so many excuses for MJ and / or Shaq. I'm only pointing out the obvious.

Being by far the best player on a winning team trumps stats.

It's kind of like if someone was running the 100m and was blowing everyone out of the water then near the end his legs just broke off and he fell to the ground. People would forever be saying, "But if he had finished, it would have been legendary."

Others would say, "He didn't."

-Smak