GOATbrook. My franchise player needs to be capable of playing defense.
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GOATbrook. My franchise player needs to be capable of playing defense.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Did you watch Little Miss Sunshine? Iz the shit. :dancin[/QUOTE]
Nah man.....and I still can't tell if you're serious or not.
-Brook
Odd time to bump this thread considering Kyrie's incredibly high level of play lately. You're about a month late if the intention was to make Irving look bad.
December averages:
Kyrie Irving
27 points on 47+% FG, 38+% 3PT, 95% FT
7 assists
1.3 steals
2.3 turnovers
Age: 21
Russell Westbrook
21.4 points on 45.4% FG, 31.3% 3PT, 88.4% FT
8 assists
1.6 steals
4.1 turnovers
Age: 25
:confusedshrug:
Yeah... that Irving guy stinks.
WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.
I find it ironic how Westbrook's stock skyrocketed when he wasn't even playing. That injury did more for his rank than what he's actually done on the court. :lol:
I'd probably take Irving given that he's 4 years younger, although I definitely believe Westbrook is the better player. Didn't need the injury to tell me that, I've always considered him to be crucial to the Thunder's success.
[QUOTE=Solefade]WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.[/QUOTE]
Kyrie has played in every game so far this season.
I'd definitely say Westbrook is currently the better player, but you have to weigh that against Irving being FOUR years younger. That's pretty significant.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack][B]Kyrie has played in every game so far this season. [/B]
I'd definitely say Westbrook is currently the better player, but you have to weigh that against Irving being FOUR years younger. That's pretty significant.[/QUOTE]
Right but has he played a full season ever? That includes his college career too....
Injury prone players tend to be injury prone for their entire careers.
[QUOTE=Solefade]Right but has he played a full season ever? That includes his college career too....
Injury prone players tend to be injury prone for their entire careers.[/QUOTE]
He has not played a full season ever, but it is also important to point out that none of his injuries have been remotely serious or recurring. I'd say the most serious injury he has had in his NBA career was the shoulder last year which kept him out for a few weeks.
Other than that, you're talking about a concussion, a broken hand and other minor bumps and bruises. At Duke, it was a toe thing that has not recurred.
The Cavs were extra cautious with him because, in truth, they didn't care much about winning a ton of games in his first two years. I said coming into this season that this would be the real test to see if he was injury prone, because now the Cavs are actually trying to win.
He hasn't missed a game yet... knock on wood.
Meanwhile, the one real injury Westbrook has sustained is 100x more serious than anything that has happened to Kyrie... and it's something that could recur (though I hope it doesn't).
I'd rather have someone with high iq as my leader than the one who is close to being retarded. Name me one player that led a team to a championshoip who had low bball iq.
[QUOTE=Solefade][B]WB's issues can be fixed through coaching. Can't really fix how Kyrie's injured all the time and he doesn't play defense[/B]. WB's one of the biggest competitors, can score as well as anyone, he's durable and he can play better defense. Kyrie's good but I'm gonna go with WB.[/QUOTE]
you cant coach players to be better defenders?
[QUOTE=chips93]you cant coach players to be better defenders?[/QUOTE]
You can but some players have a natural knack for it, it seems more natural with WB. And the major issue with Kyrie is that he's injured all the time even if they're not reoccurring injuries.
I wouldnt even pick irving over lillard... i know westbrook has played longer but in that span dude has only had 1 major injury.... irving as good as he is .. he is not that good defensively.. sure he would get his numbers but if lets say he has another pointguard who can flat out score he wont be able to do something about it....
I dont want my star player to play on one side of the court only..
so if ever both will be a franchise player i will go to the guy who plays defense.. not to shabby on the offense ... scoring these days are kinda overrated.
[QUOTE=veilside23]I wouldnt even pick irving over lillard... i know westbrook has played longer but in that span [B]dude has only had 1 major injury[/B].... irving as good as he is .. he is not that good defensively.. sure he would get his numbers but if lets say he has another pointguard who can flat out score he wont be able to do something about it....
I dont want my star player to play on one side of the court only..
so if ever both will be a franchise player i will go to the guy who plays defense.. not to shabby on the offense ... scoring these days are kinda overrated.[/QUOTE]
And Irving has had zero major injuries. :confusedshrug:
Kyrie is only 21 years old. You bring up Lillard... Kyrie is two years younger than him, even.
I think people sometimes forget that there have basically been no finished products at that age. LeBron James was a defensive liability in his first two years in the league.
I'm not saying Kyrie will ever have that kind of impact defensively, but [I][B]all [/B][/I]players have shortcomings at 21.
I'll take GOATbrook due to his sheer tenacity and unshakeable will to win.