Assuming Miami wins another title, and he gets his regular season + Finals MVP, Bron will be right there w/ Hakeem, Duncan, and Kobe. Shaq too. His accomplishments would be far too great to keep him outta the top 10.
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Assuming Miami wins another title, and he gets his regular season + Finals MVP, Bron will be right there w/ Hakeem, Duncan, and Kobe. Shaq too. His accomplishments would be far too great to keep him outta the top 10.
[QUOTE=bdreason]It's definitely debatable if LeBron wins another ring this year, but there are two things LeBron will never have on Hakeem.
1. LeBron will never match Hakeem's defensive impact.
and
2. LeBron will never get as much credit for his championships as Hakeem. However, if LeBron ends up with 4+ titles, that won't really matter.[/QUOTE]
Those are some stupid reasons that people selectively pull out when they throw objectivity in the garbage.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Assuming Miami wins another title, and he gets his regular season + Finals MVP, Bron will be right there w/ Hakeem, Duncan, and Kobe. Shaq too. His accomplishments would be far too great to keep him outta the top 10.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this ... :pimp:
[quote=fpliii]1st All-NBA - 90s centers are far more competitive than current forwards; in addition, Hakeem had to fight for only one spot on the first team (as opposed to the 2 forward spots)[/quote]
Sure... but, you are forgetting context here....
The times Lebron got in the 1st all-NBA team he was clearly the best SF... he would have got in there all his 7 times battling only one spot aswell... and even then the competition would be brutal (first it was T-Mac, Pierce then Carmelo, Durant)
The times Lebron got in the 1st All-Defensive team he was clearly the best defensive SF.... he would have got in there all his 5 times battling only one spot aswell....
[quote]ROTY - I don't know why you'd mention this[/quote]
Because i dropped all the NBA accolades.... This one in particular is not so extremly useless, it shows that a player came in to the league with a better bang than any other rookie at his time....
In Hakeems rookie year it was Michael Jordan.... What Jordan did to Hakeem there is what Lebron did to Carmelo....
[quote]All-Star MVP - same[/quote]
I agree with this one, its kindof useless... but like i said, i dropped all the accolades... and there is many more... like milestones/records perhaps...
[quote]POTM - there are two awards now, while there was only one for most (all?) of Hakeem's career[/quote]
Yes... but this excuse would only work if Lebron maybe would have not had all those POTM awards if there was only one.... in reality Lebron would have got all of those or most of those 25 POTMs (certainly more than Hakeems 5) anyways because he was the best player/MVP each of those months..... the only benefit of the POTM in Lebrons era was the opposite player, the Wesern Conference Player, only that player wouldnt had won it if it was only one POTM...... it also explains why Lebron has 3 more MVPs and has been a better player in his era for longer....
Having more POTM than somebody else in theory is kindof useless.... but should not be disregarded because this tells a very important story...
Because the POTM is the same criteria as MVP & given out by the same establishment, a player who had many more POTM is a player who has been the MVP of the month (which is not a very short time) many more times...... a player who has won the most POTM in a season usually ends up with the MVP aswell......... a player who has won the more POTMs for his career has therefore probably ended up with more MVPs aswell......
In Lebrons case this story is very correct....
...and if that player (Lebron) has many more MVPs that means that player has been a MORE VALUABLE PLAYER many more years & months than the player compared to (Hakeem)........ which hints at the probability of Lebron being a more impactful player than Hakeem was.... at least for a longer time.... for you to win the MVP your productiveness/individual talent/skill needs to translate to more TEAM SUCCESS/WINS than anybody else.....
MVP.... that sure is a very important award....
Who did Lebron James compete with for his MVPs? Who did Lebron James compete with for his 1st All D team selections? Who won his championships with less help? Nuff said.
Funny that everything Lebron achieved, rings, FMVPs, were done with 2 prime stars.
That's why even if this year he gets FMVP, and ties Hakeem for same accomplishments, he is still be low Hakeem. Doing it with a stacked team is not impressive. That's all.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Funny that everything Lebron achieved, rings, FMVPs, were done with 2 prime stars.
That's why even if this year he gets FMVP, and ties Hakeem for same accomplishments, he is still be low Hakeem. Doing it with a stacked team is not impressive. That's all.[/QUOTE]
Then anything Kobe has ever done is not impressive.
[QUOTE=Electric Slide]Then anything Kobe has ever done is not impressive.[/QUOTE]
Kobe did it with just Pau. If you're one of those dumbasses that started watching basketball was 2011, I'll tell you now, Bynum was not a huge factor.
Lebron needed 2 all star starters in a weak era. Not impressive.
[QUOTE=Kovach]The most fundamentally sound center of all time whose arsenal of moves is unrivaled by pretty much anyone not named MJ is worse than a forward with the aesthetics of a tractor? Sure.[/QUOTE]
I love this post.
[QUOTE=pauk]after Jordans "vacation"....[/QUOTE]
This needs to stop being posted.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Kobe did it with just Pau. If you're one of those dumbasses that started watching basketball was 2011, I'll tell you now, Bynum was not a huge factor.
Lebron needed 2 all star starters in a weak era. Not impressive.[/QUOTE]
Kobe was shooting 40% in the Finals though. Clearly he didn't do it on his own. A 6/24 shooting performance in the Finals-clinching game 7 vs. LeBron's triple double to end the 2012 Finals? Which was more impressive. No doubt LeBron has a better team, but he's also been a vastly superior player when it matters.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Kobe did it with just Pau. If you're one of those dumbasses that started watching basketball was 2011, I'll tell you now, Bynum was not a huge factor.
Lebron needed 2 all star starters in a weak era. Not impressive.[/QUOTE]
Who had a more stacked and better team than the Lakers? Nobody. It is no different than the Heat. The Lakers were by far the most stacked team in the NBA and nobody came close. Bynum wasn't great then, but Odom was.
You want to discredit Lebron. Do the same with Kobe.
[QUOTE=2010splash]Kobe was shooting 40% in the Finals though. Clearly he didn't do it on his own. A 6/24 shooting performance in the Finals-clinching game 7 vs. LeBron's triple double to end the 2012 Finals? Which was more impressive. No doubt LeBron has a better team, but he's also been a vastly superior player when it matters.[/QUOTE]
You're using 1 game to determine it all? :rolleyes:
How about look at who they went through in their playoff?
Heat opponents: Knicks, Pacers, Boston, Thunder :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ripthekik]You're using 1 game to determine it all? :rolleyes:
How about look at who they went through in their playoff?
Heat opponents: Knicks, Pacers, Boston, Thunder :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Thunder are no joke. Durant/Westbrook/Harden was the second best trio in the league. Team was sick loaded.
Compared to the 50-win Celtics? Much better.
[QUOTE=2010splash]Thunder are no joke. Durant/Westbrook/Harden was the second best trio in the league. Team was sick loaded.
Compared to the 50-win Celtics? Much better.[/QUOTE]
Youngest team in the league? What was their average age.. 23?
I havent checked this stat.. but seems like they're the youngest team ever in the finals..
So congrats Heat, you beat the youngest team ever in the finals. :applause: