The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms

[QUOTE=Bandito]Why would MJ or Kobe winning on 2011 is asinine? The Heat were the favorites to win and could've won or at least go 7 games if Lebron didn't disappeared on the last game. We are not talking about he trying his best and failing like MJ vs the pistons in the 80's or Kobe vs Celtics in 08, we are talking about him just straight giving up (I thought he was on the bench the whole time, I even forgot he was playing. I never seen that in my life). MJ or Kobe for that matter wouldn't had given up on the team until the last second.[/QUOTE]
So while playing a game of what ifs, do you place them in the exact same conditions as Lebron? Or conveniently transplant their situation into his? I think more than choking was in play in 2011. Lebron had the pressure of living up to the decision on his back, had just been prematurely called better than Mj by Mj's wingman, oh and had an identity crisis going on on the floor as well. Also played every game knowing what type of summer losing would bring. Would they be subjected to playing with a guy near their equal in talent and play style? And that guy having a hell of a series where maybe they'd feel the need to stay out of his way?

Fyi not excusing his play in any way, he flat out stank. Just pointing out that what ifs are very sketchy.

[QUOTE=daily]Lebron James age 28, 10 seasons, 765 games
Michael Jordan age 28, 8 seasons, 589 games

[IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/6y0dut.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]So while playing a game of what ifs, do you place them in the exact same conditions as Lebron? Or conveniently transplant their situation into his? I think more than choking was in play in 2011. Lebron had the pressure of living up to the decision on his back, had just been prematurely called better than Mj by Mj's wingman, oh and had an identity crisis going on on the floor as well. Also played every game knowing what type of summer losing would bring. Would they be subjected to playing with a guy near their equal in talent and play style? And that guy having a hell of a series where maybe they'd feel the need to stay out of his way?

Fyi not excusing his play in any way, he flat out stank. Just pointing out that what ifs are very sketchy.[/QUOTE]
But you're doing the same what if scenario by stating what if MJ and Kobe played with the same scrutiny they would have the same result in your previous post.

But in reality the problem with 2011 is not him losing, is how he lost. Like you said he flat out stank. If he didn't choke the way he did (I am not talking about pts in the 4 quarter I am talking about straight disappearing) he wouldn't have had the same summer of fail he had in 2011. He learned from that, no doubts (he became better thanks to that), but would MJ or Kobe have done the same if their back was against the wall?

[QUOTE=TheMan]Hey, lemme explain the positional difference between LBJ and MJ in simpler terms since andgar's went over your head:facepalm:

In soccer or what you guys call football, a striker fr example is supossed to score more goals than a center back, why? Because of positioning and duties required of the position they play, the striker by position alone is closer to the opposition's goal area than the CB and one of the...you know what, fvck it. This is why Bron stans are seen as the biggest morons here and me explaining the simple concept that a F naturally will have more rebound attempts than a gaurd who is further from the rim won't get through your dense heads. BTW, stick to footy you limey cvnt, your clueless in basketball. Leave that to us 'Muricans[/QUOTE]

As someone who watches f

[QUOTE=Bandito]But you're doing the same what if scenario by stating what if MJ and Kobe played with the same scrutiny they would have the same result in your previous post.

But in reality the problem with 2011 is not him losing, is how he lost. Like you said he flat out stank. If he didn't choke the way he did (I am not talking about pts in the 4 quarter I am talking about straight disappearing) he wouldn't have had the same summer of fail he had in 2011. He learned from that, no doubts (he became better thanks to that), but would MJ or Kobe have done the same if their back was against the wall?[/QUOTE]
Actually I wasn't, just showing there's much more to an event than just swapping this guy for that one and expecting, proclaiming results. There are literally thousands of possibilities, Mj and Wade maybe wouldn't have been able to coexist, maybe Mj wouldn't have been happy being outplayed by a teammate and start jacking shots. Too many to narrow down to one absolute like Mj would have won in his spot, which may not be what you stated but what is thrown around here often when 2011 comes up.

[QUOTE=Dionysus]As someone who watches f

the main thing that separates them is one of them elevates his game in the playoffs, and even more so in the finals. along the way, he has put up the most number of legendary playoff series, had the most number of legendary playoff games, and had the most number of legendary single playoff moments.

can you guess which one is the one im talking about?

LeBron Cavaliers? 2010-2011 Wade was the best player on the Heat and LeBron's chokejob cost them a ring.

In 2011-2012 Wade averaged 22\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency, averaged 23\6\5 in the playoffs and 23\6\5 in the NBA Finals. That's LeBron being a one man team?

in 2012-2013 when Wade was at his healthiest in the regular season he was the best player on the Heat for almost a 2 month stretch. 21\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency.

Wade gets injured in the playoffs and all of a sudden he's a liability??

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon][B]Actually I wasn't, just showing there's much more to an event than just swapping this guy for that one and expecting, proclaiming results.[/B] There are literally thousands of possibilities, Mj and Wade maybe wouldn't have been able to coexist, maybe Mj wouldn't have been happy being outplayed by a teammate and start jacking shots. Too many to narrow down to one absolute like Mj would have won in his spot, which may not be what you stated but what is thrown around here often when 2011 comes up.[/QUOTE]
True but in my hypothetical situation I was only talking about game 6 of the 2011 finals, and not really about the results, but more of how they play. If MJ played in that game and lost, do you honestly believe the main reason behind it would be because he gave up ? Or because he got owned by a better team?

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]LeBron Cavaliers? 2010-2011 Wade was the best player on the Heat and LeBron's chokejob cost them a ring.

In 2011-2012 Wade averaged 22\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency, averaged 23\6\5 in the playoffs and 23\6\5 in the NBA Finals. That's LeBron being a one man team?

in 2012-2013 when Wade was at his healthiest in the regular season he was the best player on the Heat for almost a 2 month stretch. 21\5\5 in the regular season on great efficiency.

[B]Wade gets injured in the playoffs and all of a sudden he's a liability[/B]??[/QUOTE]
By lebronite reasoning yes.:facepalm

Oh my, lebron was guarding "David Wests", what a goat player he is to use his name in this way. Lebron was guarding him so well that he and hibbert were droping 25 a game against miami in the playoffs.

And lebron must have the worst luck of any nba player in history. Because both teams he played were bad and he had to carry them. Cleveland a shitty teamand miami with the soft bosh and old wade and old ray allen. Poor lebron.

The only reason lebron won 2 ringz in miami is because now he is a superior player and the goat. Put the miami lebron back in cleveland and they 4-peat.

Lebron the GOAT is the only guy who had to carry the cleveland cavaliers and the miami cavaliers. GOAT :bowdown:

[QUOTE=TheMan]Yeah I agree, there are things James does better than Jordan, choking is one of them:oldlol:

Give me one series where Jordan had a remotely close drop off in production as Bron had in 2011 Finals:confusedshrug:
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

So losing in the Finals is worst than taking 6 years to even make a Finals? LeBron got to a finals in 4yrs with a garbage team and a garbage coach, meanwhile in Jordans 4th year he lost 3 straight games vs The Pistons in the conference finals in which he shot 5-15fg in one game and then practically quit on his team by only attempting 8 shots. He pulled a Kobe vs Suns.:oldlol:

Just because Jordan didn't lose in the Finals doesn't mean he never choked.

Also LeBron never had the luxury Jordan has where he can shoot 41% and 42% in Finals and still win. Jordan's stacked teams carried him.

the difference between Lebron and Jordan?

Jordan = GOAT.

end of story.

[QUOTE=Dionysus]So losing in the Finals is worst than taking 6 years to even make a Finals? LeBron got to a finals in 4yrs with a garbage team and a garbage coach, meanwhile in Jordans 4th year he lost 3 straight games vs The Pistons in the conference finals in which he shot 5-15fg in one game and then practically quit on his team by only attempting 8 shots. He pulled a Kobe vs Suns.:oldlol:

Just because Jordan didn't lose in the Finals doesn't mean he never choked.

Also LeBron never had the luxury Jordan has where he can shoot 41% and 42% in Finals and still win. Jordan's stacked teams carried him.[/QUOTE]

The amount of history and context you had to ignore to to make this post is mind boggling.

[QUOTE=f0und]the main thing that separates them is one of them elevates his game in the playoffs, and even more so in the finals. along the way, he has put up the most number of legendary playoff series, had the most number of legendary playoff games, and had the most number of legendary single playoff moments.

can you guess which one is the one im talking about?[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing LeBron.

Greatest game 7 player of All Time. Has better Elimination game stats than Jordan and Kobe.

Also has that game 5 vs Pistons, his game 6 vs Celtics, his headband game, and his clutch closer game 7 that has gained him the same amount of titles Jordan had at age 28.