prime dirk vs current durant?

[QUOTE=Micku]And he was still better than Perkins. Especially healthy.

And Bradley was supposed to be that defensive presence for the Mavs. It just didn't work out. The Mavs in 03 were dealing with some injury problems (including Bradley I believe) got injured and Dirk as well. So they didn't have any depth. If Dirk didn't get injured, then it may have been a closer series.[/QUOTE]

Of course. That is why I said 03 was your best bet. If Dirk doesn't go down...I actually think the mavs would have won.

Again...they had talent...it was the wrong kind though. It would be like having Durant, Harden, Westbrook, and Curry on the Thunder in 12. Although that's better than what the Mavs had in 03...you get the point.

It's not always just about raw talent. Winning with no center or defense is really hard. the Mavs might have been able to do it in 03, but my point was that I would have gladly traded finley for a defensive big. The thunder team had loads of talent and was properly built for playoff success.

And I honestly don't know what you are talking about with Bradley in 03.

He gave us 7/6/1 in the regular season and 3/4/0 in the playoffs. Perkins gave the Thunder 5/7/1 in the regular season and 5/6/1 in the playoffs. I just don't think there is any difference at all in those guys...

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]People forgetting how good Michael Finley was.[/QUOTE]
Finley was a shotjacker and the mavs wouldve done better if they put the ball in Nashs hands more than Finley

DMAVS...........Ibaka is not close to Marc Gasol WTF:wtf:
Tyson is also better Ibaka is overrated defender all he does is block shots he has a good midrange shot but he needs creation he cant do anything off ball either. Tyson set screens, moves good, creates space on O for mates Marc initiates offense can pass, shot handle the rock. They both better defenders and far better offnsive

Perkins is worst player in the league. Hes EASY worst offensive player this nikka turns it over 30% of the time and the other times he bricks it

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]People forgetting how good Michael Finley was.[/QUOTE]

Not really...he just wasn't as good as Westbrook.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]People forgetting how good Michael Finley was.[/QUOTE]

Except he's actually one of the more overrated players, at least by the time the Mavs started to make the playoffs.

By the time the Mavs started to become really good (2003) he already was a has-been, a former borderline all star without defense. The guy had like 1 good playoffs run (2002), one kinda good (but nowhere near all star worthy (2003) and all the rest was mediocre and worse.

I'll never understand why Cuban gave him that big contract, especially in contrast to trying to save money on Nash a few years later.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Finley was a shotjacker and the mavs wouldve done better if they put the ball in Nashs hands more than Finley

DMAVS...........Ibaka is not close to Marc Gasol WTF:wtf:
Tyson is also better Ibaka is overrated defender all he does is block shots he has a good midrange shot but he needs creation he cant do anything off ball either. Tyson set screens, moves good, creates space on O for mates Marc initiates offense can pass, shot handle the rock. They both better defenders and far better offnsive

Perkins is worst player in the league. Hes EASY worst offensive player this nikka turns it over 30% of the time and the other times he bricks it[/QUOTE]

Who is the center equivalent to Ibaka? I don't care who it is...give me a center that can average 10/10/1 and play good defense and that team is raping people.

Ibaka fits perfectly next to Durant and Westbrook. A pf that can space the floor and defend and rebound. I agree about Gasol...not so much about Chandler. The point was just getting a player that fits perfectly next to them...Ibaka is the ideal pf for the Thunder. Just like a defensive minded solid rebounding center would be for the a WB/Dirk team.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Who is the center equivalent to Ibaka? I don't care who it is...give me a center that can average 10/10/1 and play good defense and that team is raping people.

[B]Ibaka fits perfectly next to Durant and Westbrook. A pf that can space the floor and defend and rebound[/B].[/QUOTE]

This, how is Ibaka getting underrated here? Is it just to prop up Durant?

Mavs wouldve beat Spurs in 03 if Dirk didnt get injured. They still won game with LaFrentz in place of Dirk by 12:roll: :roll:
Timmy got fvcking lucky any playoff team coming out west wouldve dominated the Nets

Dirk carry one of worst teams to 67:wtf: look at that roster:wtf:
Dirks dad was dying when they fought Warriors and he wasnt himself ppl forgot how good Dirk was

[QUOTE=Black and White]This, how is Ibaka getting underrated here? Is it just to prop up Durant?[/QUOTE]
Ibaka is good player but he isnt close to Marc Gasol who won DPOY and was best player on team that made WCF and won 56 games plz Ibaka can never do that hes 3rd option at best Marc is 1st

[QUOTE=NLZ]Durant... better stats while playing better defense.
Durant is the 2nd best player after LeBron.

Dirk was what, top 6-7? Shaq, Kobe, Wade, Garnett, Duncan etc etc were always better.[/QUOTE]

Current Durant wouldn't be considered the 2nd best player amongst those players either, so not sure of your point.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Ibaka is good player but he isnt close to Marc Gasol who won DPOY and was best player on team that made WCF and won 56 games plz Ibaka can never do that hes 3rd option at best Marc is 1st[/QUOTE]
Z-Bo was the first option and quite clearly.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Ibaka is good player but he isnt close to Marc Gasol who won DPOY and was best player on team that made WCF and won 56 games plz Ibaka can never do that hes 3rd option at best Marc is 1st[/QUOTE]

I never said he was in the same league as Gasol. But is Tyson Chandler in the same league as Gasol aswell? No. But that shouldn't discredit how good Ibaka can be. All DMavs is trying to say is this line up of

Westbrook + Prime Dirk + Tyson

Is similar to

Westbrook + Durant + Ibaka

and that the first lineup would have been able to win the title

[QUOTE=moe94]Z-Bo was the first option and quite clearly.[/QUOTE]

And yes, i was going to mention this also

[QUOTE=moe94]Z-Bo was the first option and quite clearly.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: this isnt 2011 nikka

Playoff
Marc-17/9 45% shoot w/ 3asts and 1to
Zbo-17/10 46% shoot w/ 2asts and 2to

they close offensively but Marc is WAYYYYYYYYY better defense he was easy their best player

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Mavs wouldve beat Spurs in 03 if Dirk didnt get injured. They still won game with LaFrentz in place of Dirk by 12:roll: :roll:
Timmy got fvcking lucky any playoff team coming out west wouldve dominated the Nets

Dirk carry one of worst teams to 67:wtf: look at that roster:wtf:
Dirks dad was dying when they fought Warriors and he wasnt himself ppl forgot how good Dirk was[/QUOTE]

Link to article about Dirk's dad? I never heard that before...

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: this isnt 2011 nikka

Playoff
Marc-17/9 45% shoot w/ 3asts and 1to
Zbo-17/10 46% shoot w/ 2asts and 2to

they close offensively but Marc is WAYYYYYYYYY better defense [B]he was easy their best player[/B][/QUOTE]

Wrong, it is not clear cut, they were both as good as each other, but on the offensive end i think z-bo was the first option, gasol was second