Wilt Chamberlain scoring highlights 1960-1968

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]http://youtu.be/FJYRtWCutRA[/url]

Example of how I can present a Wilt offense scouting video. Passing, post moves, offensive rebounding, playmaking everything. From every part of his career so there are as few holes in the coverage/presentation of his offensive abilities as possible. My initial estimate is about a 30 minute video if I DON'T use high school and NCAA footage. Will extend any 'clip' (sequences not from the few broadcasts that exist) to as far in front of the play developing as possible, ideally before Wilt sets up and demands the entry pass (though not all clips will show the entire play, some simply begin after the ball is in his hands) That is what you are looking for no? I can try and loosely organize or cluster the clips too to group similar plays.

Will take a while but if you think it's necessary I'll put it on my to do list.[/QUOTE]
I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but I've copy and pasted this post to that thread on the forum.

Got this response:

"Sure, as fully possession as possible is good start, but not forget about missed shots! ;)"

[QUOTE=fpliii]Got this response:

"Sure, as fully possession as possible is good start, but not forget about missed shots! ;)"[/QUOTE]

I think showing highlights of missed shots is pointless. How many "highlights" have you watched with Shaq missing dunks, or Kareem clanking the sky-hook?

That would just give the Chamberlain-bashers more ammunition...

And we already have fatal9's "highlight" of Wilt's post moves anyway...(atlk about mis-leading...)

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I think showing highlights of missed shots is pointless. How many "highlights" have you watched with Shaq missing dunks, or Kareem clanking the sky-hook?

That would just give the Chamberlain-bashers more ammunition...

And we already have fatal9's "highlight" of Wilt's post moves anyway...(atlk about mis-leading...)[/QUOTE]
I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .

[QUOTE=fpliii]I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .[/QUOTE]

Although I understand the "complete picture" motive, I still don't think that a mix which includes missed shots will lead them into making objective comparisons with other greats, since remembering greats bricking shots is unlikely. There are not "FGA" highlights of greats and it's not easy to compare a comprehensive shot compilation to whole games viewed over the years, the bad/"indifferent" moments of which may have been erased from most fans' minds.

For example, how likely is one who has "peak Shaq" in his mind remember him struggle to even get shots against the Blazers in 2000? How likely is one who has the "Shaq vs Mutombo" battles in his mind to know/remember that, despite his 2001 heavy defeat, Mutombo usually guarded Shaq as fine as anyone?

[QUOTE=Psileas]For example, how likely is one who has "peak Shaq" in his mind remember him struggle to even get shots against the Blazers in 2000? How likely is one who has the "Shaq vs Mutombo" battles in his mind to know/remember that, despite his 2001 heavy defeat, Mutombo usually guarded Shaq as fine as anyone?[/QUOTE]

Shaq owned every single center he faced in the playoffs, number wise, he dominated every single one of them there isn't even an exception to the rle.

[QUOTE=SpanishACB]Shaq would dominate Wilt on one very simple premise:

Shaq is used to dominating similarly imposing players and he has the mental advantage. I'm not sure Willt ever hand the kind of matchups Shaq had and this ain't a "Wilt played against weak white bois" kind of argument...
But young Shaq came into the league and started shoving it in the face of centers that are already comparable to Wilt and had years in the NBA... That's what he has done all his life and what he's best at. We have no evidence that Wilt would have an answer for this.
No contest.[/QUOTE]

I checked it in basketball-reference, cause I don't remember young Shaq to dominate Ewing, Hakeem and Robinson in his rookey season and I was right.
Shaq was outplayed by them and Ewing outplayed him badly.

[QUOTE=fpliii]I think they just want to paint as complete a picture as possible. Not all misses are bad, and they can be useful for analysis. That particular poster is one of the best on the site, and doesn't have any agenda. He (and others) just want as complete video as possible on Wilt to analyze .[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately he does have an agenda, at least that's what his recent actions point to. I posted this info Cavsfan gave me on his video to put the first part of his video into context, to make a "complete picture"....But he deleted it

"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)

"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."

"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"

No reason to delete it unless it's not the picture you want to paint IMO

[QUOTE=Psileas]Although I understand the "complete picture" motive, I still don't think that a mix which includes missed shots will lead them into making objective comparisons with other greats, since remembering greats bricking shots is unlikely. There are not "FGA" highlights of greats and it's not easy to compare a comprehensive shot compilation to whole games viewed over the years, the bad/"indifferent" moments of which may have been erased from most fans' minds.[/QUOTE]
I suppose. Maybe Cavs can produce 2 versions then? One with all post possessions, one without misses. It's all up to him, of course, but I think one including all possessions will satisfy everybody there.

Anyhow, I'm just trying to be as diplomatic as possible. I enjoy reading all of the mentioned posters on RealGM, and obviously appreciate the conversation with you guys here as well. I think CavsFTW can help us find a great middle ground.

:cheers:

I don't want to belabor this any further though, so I'll let him do his thing without any further interruption.

[QUOTE=jongib369]Unfortunately he does have an agenda, at least that's what his recent actions point to. I posted this info Cavsfan gave me on his video to put the first part of his video into context, to make a "complete picture"....But he deleted it

"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)

"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."

"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"

No reason to delete it unless it's not the picture you want to paint IMO[/QUOTE]
I don't want to speculate since I haven't spoken with fatal personally, but I think his posting is generally quite good. How long was the comment up for BTW?

[QUOTE=fpliii]I don't want to speculate since I haven't spoken with fatal personally, but I think his posting is generally quite good. How long was the comment up for BTW?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I probably shouldn't either, haven't seen enough of his posts to actually tell...Not sure when it was, but I made the comment around 3:12 AM today and within 7 hours it got deleted

*edit
Maybe it had something to do with youtubes new system for comments?

:confusedshrug:

A lot of animosity in this thread for Fatal9 who is dubbed "a Wilt hater". Truth you may not agree with what the man said but he backed up his opinions with facts and sound logic. I mean are Regul8r, ShaqAttack, PTB Fan etc. all bad posters because they don't think Wilt is the greatest scorer and player? Before you call out others for being biased consider your own personal biases.

As for the OP's video, it's very well done. I've seen most of the footage before since it comes from games that are available but it's well put together. Watching all the available games I've always praised Wilt's coordination, excellent hands, and athleticism. This video definitely sells those points.

I do think Chamberlain lags significantly behind Hakeem and Kareem as far as footwork, fluidity, and variety of moves/counter-moves. Then again it's isn't really a diss. Skills are only the means to an end! Wilt did pretty damn well scoring the ball. The results matter.

Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT. cant believe some people have MJ over him:facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=dankok8]A lot of animosity in this thread for Fatal9 who is dubbed "a Wilt hater". Truth you may not agree with what the man said but he backed up his opinions with facts and sound logic. I mean are Regul8r, ShaqAttack, PTB Fan etc. all bad posters because they don't think Wilt is the greatest scorer and player? Before you call out others for being biased consider your own personal biases.

As for the OP's video, it's very well done. I've seen most of the footage before since it comes from games that are available but it's well put together. Watching all the available games I've always praised Wilt's coordination, excellent hands, and athleticism. This video definitely sells those points.

I do think Chamberlain lags significantly behind Hakeem and Kareem as far as footwork, fluidity, and variety of moves/counter-moves. Then again it's isn't really a diss. Skills are only the means to an end! Wilt did pretty damn well scoring the ball. The results matter.[/QUOTE]
He does seem like he knows a LOT, just don't see a reason to leave out information like this when he posts a highlight of Wilt posting up


"The Rivalry (book documenting Wilt and Russell's Rivalry in the 1960's)

"More significantly, the pain in Chamberlain's knees had grown worse with each game. Now the slightest bend in either knee sent an excruciating jolt through the leg, and he was forced to go up and down stairs sideways, to avoid bending his knees. When he arrived for practice on Friday, he could barely walk. D. Lorber examined him and realized that Chamberlain's knee-joint capsules had become inflamed. Lorber instructed Chamberlain to spend the entire day receiving heat treatment on his knees. He thought that if Chamberlain remained inactive, and received heat treatement that day and the next, the inflammation might subside enough for him to at least start on Sunday. Chamberlain spent several hours each day with his knees under an infrared heat lamp, but by Saturday afternoon, when the team was leaving for Boston (IE the game from which those "highlights" are taken), he was still walking stiff-legged."

"Chamberlain's sore knees had hampered his running and jumping throughout the game"


Let alone possibly delete it when someone is just trying to put things into context. But like I said to fpliii it might just of been youtubes new comment system