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Ah, so [I]now[/I] Pippen was injured? You guys pick and choose when to mention that he got hurt late in the series. [I]Never[/I] mention it when posting his stats, as if he was going to accumulate any stats injured that badly. :oldlol: He was putting up 20 PPG through the first four games and was the front-runner for FMVP when the Bulls were up 3-1.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14166764]And then theres this [url]https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/15/sports/the-nba-finals-pippen-s-pain-pushes-jordan-to-greatest-feat.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Pippen averaged 15 on 41% and was horrible
Even thru 4 games he was only getting Wade's 13' Finals stats... If pippen was scoring like AD or 11/12 Wade, the series would've been a sweep or 5 games...
Only pippen's poor play made it go 6.. without MJ's heroics, pippen's poor play would've caused ANOTHER loss or close series, just like the 98' ECF, 97' Finals, 96' Finals, 93' Finals, 92' ECSF, 90' ECF, and 89' ECF
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166762]The Bulls' offense was top 10 w/out MJ but not w/out Pippen. Inconvenient truth. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
Mj was always an all star w/out Pippen but Pippen wasnt always an all star w/o jordan. And he was was never an all star without phil.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14166770]Mj was always an all star w/out Pippen Mj was always an all star w/out Pippen but Pippen wasnt always an all star w/o jordan.[/QUOTE]
Pippen was always a winner w/out Jordan; Jordan was always a loser w/out Pippen.
Jordan was voted in in DC--he wasn't a legit all-star. The same way Grant Hill got voted in or Kobe while being a bench player/4th option.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166771]Jordan was voted in in DC--he wasn't a legit all-star. The same way Grant Hill got voted in around the same time.[/QUOTE]
03' Jordan... 19.3 PER
04' Lebron... 18.3 PER
[U]GOAT Candidates Without their Best Teammate[/U]
Wilt w/out West: champ
KAJ w/out Magic: champ
Russell w/out Havlicek: champ
LeBron w/out Wade: champ
Jordan w/out Pippen: sold a lot of sneakers
Get over it. Jordan quit instead of defending the MVP and chip w/out Pippen. Name another player who retired because another guy left.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166768]Ah, so [I]now[/I] Pippen was injured? You guys pick and choose when to mention that he got hurt late in the series. [I]Never[/I] mention it when posting his stats, as if he was going to accumulate any stats injured that badly. :oldlol: He was putting up 20 PPG through the first four games and was the front-runner for FMVP when the Bulls were up 3-1.[/QUOTE]
Your talking so much shit.
Game 1-mj 33 pts +1/ pip 21 pts -1
Game 2 mj 37 pts +16 / pip 21 pts +1
Game 3 mj 24 pts +24/ pip 10 pts + 14
Game 4 mj 34 pts +0/ pip 28 pts +2
Front runner is a stretch and yes pip was hurt and it led to mj having to carry the team more as i already mentioned.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166786][U]GOAT Candidates Without their Best Teammate[/U]
Wilt w/out West: champ
KAJ w/out Magic: champ
Russell w/out Havlicek: champ
LeBron w/out Wade: champ
Jordan w/out Pippen: sold a lot of sneakers
Get over it. Jordan quit instead of defending the MVP and chip w/out Pippen. Name another player who retired because another guy left.[/QUOTE]
Pippen without phil not even an all star. Couldn't even score 15 pts
Like I said, anyone can Google "Pippen 1998 Finals MVP" and see for themselves.
[QUOTE][B]It was a defensive masterpiece by the Bulls, one unmatched in NBA history[/B], not to mention Finals history. The Jazz's 54 points might have been just enough to beat the Green Bay Packers. This wasn't a basketball game, it was Kerry Wood blowing away the Houston Astros. It was Bob Gibson in the World Series.[B] It was one man taking out a team.[/B]
Oh, sure, this was a team effort by the Bulls. Ron Harper was wonderful in steering Stockton toward the baseline to limit the options on the Jazz's famed pick-and-roll. So was Michael Jordan, who took just 14 shots but still had 24 points to lead the Bulls. But[B] it was mostly Pippen, who has thwarted the Jazz like no other player, never mind a whole team[/B]. And his 10 points, four rebounds and four assists were only part of the story.
[B]After the Bulls defeated the Jazz in the Finals last season, Stockton's summary was that the Jazz had no answer for Pippen. Utah is still failing that test.[/B] "The luxury for us is to have a defender like Scottie who can cover more than one situation at a time," coach Phil Jackson said.
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If the Bulls win these Finals, Pippen should be the Most Valuable Player.[/SIZE][/B] "There have been terrific defenders in the history of the Finals," Jackson said. "You can go back to (Michael) Cooper for the Lakers, and Bobby Jones with the 76ers and other players who have played outstanding defense. The majority of those players are great one-on-one players. Scottie is able to be a one-man wrecking crew"[/QUOTE]
The story was defensive domination, which wrecked the #1 Utah offense. The Bulls' offense sucked (88 PPG), it just didn't matter when Utah was scoring 80.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166803]Like I said, anyone can Google "Pippen 1998 Finals MVP" and see for themselves. This is no secret to anyone who watched the series.
The story was defensive domination, which wrecked the #1 Utah offense. The Bulls' offense sucked (88 PPG), it just didn't matter when Utah was scoring 80.[/QUOTE]
Thats someones opinion. I can find 10 articles that would say the same shit bout mj. And you act like mj wasn't a part of that defense and rod fir that matter. They were sll great defenders. Only one was a great scorer.
That's why wanted to teamup with Davis :oldlol: AD finished second in DPOY voting and made First Team All-Def. Davis has pure dominion over this Laker team when you factor in the scoring.
[QUOTE=MadDog;14166816]That's why he wanted to teamup with Davis, the Laker anchor on defense. AD finished second in DPOY voting and made First Team All-Def. Pure dominion over this Laker team when you factor in the scoring.[/QUOTE]
But if he scores like Pippen the Lakers lose in the 1st round
Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, and 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 16 on 40% in 2 Finals and 5 ECF
[QUOTE=3ball;14166819]But if he scores like Pippen the Lakers lose in th 1st round
Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, and 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 16 on 40% in 2 Finals and 5 ECF[/QUOTE]
Why would AD score like Pippen? AD is a better player/scorer by far.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14166803]Like I said, anyone can Google "Pippen 1998 Finals MVP" and see for themselves.
The story was defensive domination, which wrecked the #1 Utah offense. The Bulls' offense sucked (88 PPG), it just didn't matter when Utah was scoring 80.[/QUOTE]
No, it's just platitudes and hyperbole, which happens when the story is always about Jordan.. reporters back then called it "jordan fatigue".. so they throw pippen a bone once in a while... But everyone saw MJ dominate the scoring in a 1-man fashion and distribution and completely carry the load in the 4th, plus Pippen usually finished series poorly, so no one actually thought pippen was indispensable, not even the GM
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14166807]Thats someones opinion. I can find 10 articles that would say the same shit bout mj. And you act like mj wasn't a part of that defense and rod fir that matter. They were sll great defenders. Only one was a great scorer.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, people are free to Google and see what people were saying before Pippen got hurt. Just check the timestamp. Pippen got hurt in Game 5 and that shifted it to MJ but that doesn't negate dominance when Chicago built a 3-1 led.
The story was Pippen playing a "roving linebacker" role to wreck the Jazz offense (as all those people who watched it live said in those quotes). The Jazz couldn't execute their offense, Stockton, who MJ stans rave about, watched this all go down and had no counter move.
You were dismissing Rodman as a defender earlier. :confusedshrug: