Tell me what makes Kobe Bryant better than Bradley Beal or Devin Booker

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14349321]:oldlol:

Thanks. Kobe is better now. Lol.

At best we're talking a 2% improvement in scoring efficiency, and even this is an assumption.

More likely is a bigger talent pool nowadays, that simply births more stars, better shooting > higher scoring games.

Athletically its a different sport, with all the swingmen and tweeners.


You act like this is some inflated era, while glossing over or perhaps being in complete ignorance of Kobe feasting on one of the most inflated eras after the rule change of all time.

2005/2006 is the most inflated season in NBA history.

Almost every single all-star had a top 2 scoring year that season. On unusually high FG%. I made a thread on it.


I wonder how many players Kobe will remain better as because "the era was different back then smh!"[/QUOTE]

Sure, humans evolved from 2014 to 2018. They became drastically more athletic and way better shooters. Nothing to do with a new brand of ball coming along.

How did I ignore it when I actually wrote it in my very own post? Some guys exploded, but it wasn't leaguewide until the Warriors showed up and gave the league a formular to exploit defensive deficiencies. You watched the Heatles and the league back then. You think the game was played the same way back in '12 as it was 6 years later, but the players were just worse? Even the players who played prior to the paradigm shift saw their stats increase - across the board. Guys like Brook Lopez and Boogie started taking 3s. They didn't before. You think they evolved into shooters over night? You know what it means for wings if your center starts taking and hitting threes?

Denying that the game changed and wings have it easier to operate in the pace & space league is pretty absurd especially when you haven't witnessed the league prior.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14349335]Sure, humans evolved from 2014 to 2018. They became drastically more athletic and way better shooters. Nothing to do with a new brand of ball coming along.

How did I ignore it when I actually wrote it in my very own post? Some guys exploded, but it wasn't leaguewide until the Warriors showed up and gave the league a formular to exploit defensive deficiencies. You watched the Heatles and the league back then. You think the game was played the same way back in '12 as it was 6 years later, but the players were just worse? Even the players who played prior to the paradigm shift saw their stats increase - across the board. Guys like Brook Lopez and Boogie started taking 3s. They didn't before. You think they evolved into shooters over night? You know what it means for wings if your center starts taking and hitting threes?

Denying that the game changed and wings have it easier to operate in the pace & space league is pretty absurd especially when you haven't witnessed the league prior.[/QUOTE]


2014?

the ****?

Kobe made the meat of his career in the mid 00's

theres been a lot of advancement in 15+ years


i'll bet you ive seen more of the NBA pre 2011 than you have.

is your argument REALLY that Kobe played in a tougher league?

Really?

If thats all it is, thats very, very weak. Should open your eyes to some degree.

That assumption will never cut it.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14349333]05-06 season league average: 90.5 Pace, 106.2 ORTG, 53.6%TS
20-21 season league average: 99.2 Pace, 112.3 ORTG, 57.2%TS

25+ ppg scorers in 2006: 10
25+ ppg scorers in 2021: 15[/QUOTE]

you need to look at the improvement/raise to the previous year, to gauge its outlierness.

this doesnt show anything. this could be down to improvement of era / talent pool.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14349354]you need to look at the improvement/raise to the previous year, to gauge its outlierness.

this doesnt show anything. this could be down to improvement of era / talent pool.[/QUOTE]



03-04 season league average: 90.1 Pace, 102.9 ORTG, 51.6%TS
04-05 season league average: 90.9 Pace, 106.1 ORTG, 52.9%TS
05-06 season league average: 90.5 Pace, 106.2 ORTG, 53.6%TS

Can you stfu now?

[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14349334]Don't worry, we don't expect you to get it[/QUOTE]

:roll::roll::roll:

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14349353]2014?

the ****?

Kobe made the meat of his career in the mid 00's

theres been a lot of advancement in 15+ years


i'll bet you ive seen more of the NBA pre 2011 than you have.

is your argument REALLY that Kobe played in a tougher league?

Really?

If thats all it is, thats very, very weak. Should open your eyes to some degree.

That assumption will never cut it.[/QUOTE]

The style of play drastically changed leaguewide between 2014 and 2018 independent of Kobe's career. How is that not an valid argument. Lebron played his arguably best basketball while having inferior stats to later runs. Your sole point us that Beal et al have comparable stats in a league that has an overall stat increase.

I doubt you watched more pre '11 games. I stayed up all night to watch games like '03 Magic vs Nets and stuff like this. I had plenty of time back in the day an I've been watching since '95. I'd be surprised if you re-watched thousands of full games.

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yeah i too have always wondered what made the back-to-back scoring champ and 3x mvp winner better than devin booker

The eye test favors Kobe so enormously that I'm amazed anyone would ask that question

[QUOTE=000;14351353]yeah i too have always wondered what made the back-to-back scoring champ and 3x mvp winner better than devin booker[/QUOTE]

Kobe has won 1 MVP award LMAO

[QUOTE=3ball;14351385]The eye test favors Kobe so enormously that I'm amazed anyone would ask that question[/QUOTE]

You're responding to a bran stan who thinks A Booker Mitchell matchup is Kobe Wade. :oldlol:

Two playoff virgins.

Its a sad attempt to validate Lebrons ass kicking at the hands of Booker, while simultaneously putting down LeBron best help in Wade by comparing him to Donovan Mitchell. Who isn't even a top 10 player in the league.

I respect both their skills but its like getting hyped for Mitch Richmond Joe Dumars battle. They're both good, but nowhere near Wade Kobe.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14351389]Kobe has won 1 MVP award LMAO[/QUOTE]
lets see

1 kia mvp
2 bill russell finals mvps

1+2=???

[QUOTE=000;14351403]lets see

1 kia mvp
2 bill russell finals mvps

1+2=???[/QUOTE]


the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14351404]the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example[/QUOTE]
they are all mvp awards

its in the name

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14351404]the first one is called mvp, the other is called finals mvp

ppl say jordan has 6 mvp's, for example[/QUOTE]

Nah mate...he has 11 fmvp...the GOAT standard