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[QUOTE=Baller234;14871208]Lmao I already dismantled all of those arguments.
Effiency = bogus argument
TS% = bogus argument[/QUOTE]
Alot of your arguments are just feelings to be honest. Even your Kobe is more clutch claim is false when the data shows LeBron is the more clutch performer.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871209]Alot of your arguments are just feelings to be honest. Even your Kobe is more clutch claim is false when the data shows LeBron is the more clutch performer.[/QUOTE]
Uh oh... the stat dorks have more "data". Better watch out.
Funny how this "data" ceases to be relevant the moment it doesn't benefit your argument.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871208]Lmao I already dismantled all of those arguments.
Effiency = bogus argument
TS% = bogus argument[/QUOTE]
No one used TS% as the sole reason LeBron is better, you are creating a straw man like you always do because you’re too dim to understand the argument. LeBron better is because he’s more impactful, this is verifiable with impact data. He’s also won twice as much as the best player on his team so even the winning argument doesn’t work.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871211]Uh oh... the stat dorks have more "data". Better watch out.
Funny how this "data" ceases to be relevant the moment it doesn't benefit your argument.[/QUOTE]
There legitimately isn’t any data that says Kobe is better at basketball than LeBron. What are you even talking about?
oh boy, you Kobe and Lebron fans
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871211]Uh oh... the stat dorks have more "data". Better watch out.
Funny how this "data" ceases to be relevant the moment it doesn't benefit your argument.[/QUOTE]
"Killer instinct"
"Better one on one"
"More clutch"
Literal arguments a teenager would make.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871217]"Killer instinct"
"Better one on one"
"More clutch"
Literal arguments a teenager would make.[/QUOTE]
He really needs to watch Moneyball. The “stat guys” won a very long time ago. In every sport.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14871195]The GMs who make bad decisions are the ones who don't rely heavily on data. Guys like Masai Ujiri, Pat Riley, Darryl Morey, Brad Stevens etc. rely heavily on an analytics department. Your other point would only make sense if people would rather play with Kobe than LeBron, but most people would prefer not to play with guys like MJ or Kobe because they're just impossible to deal with. LeBron can be corny and melodramatic, but you know he's not gonna literally assault you or not talk to you.[/QUOTE]
In reality, most people were absolutely okay to play with all these guys. You will find a player or two who says bad things about either of them after having played together but that's it. People were okay to play with Jordan. With Kobe. And are okay to play with LeBron.
As for the relying on analytics part, it sure has value. I see many things on the court each game though that are not going into any stat. And if I can see that on TV, there is a lot more to it with your teammate on and off the floor.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14871213]There legitimately isn’t any data that says Kobe is better at basketball than LeBron. What are you even talking about?[/QUOTE]
Hmm, maybe I will invent a statistic like you guys.
[B]Kobe[/B] - 5 championships in 20 seasons
[B]Lebron[/B] - 4 championships in 21 seasons
I will call this stat [B]"True Rings Percentage"[/B]
And I even did you a favor by including the 2020 Disney invitiational, which everyone knows isn't a real championship. :oldlol:
Mind you Kobe only played with two HOFers and not at the same time. Lebron played with SEVERAL different HOFers at the same time.
I don't know 3tard, looks like the data favors Mamba.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871217]"Killer instinct"
"Better one on one"
"More clutch"
Literal arguments a teenager would make.[/QUOTE]
Funny considering that some of the game's greatest players, analysts and coaches have made the exact same arguments.
Bronnies are down BAD.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871220]Hmm, maybe I will invent a statistic like you guys.
[B]Kobe[/B] - 5 championships in 20 seasons
[B]Lebron[/B] - 4 championships in 21 seasons
I will call this stat [B]"True Rings Percentage"[/B]
And I even did you a favor by including the 2020 Disney invitiational, which everyone knows isn't a real championship. :oldlol:
Mind you Kobe only played with two HOFers and not at the same time. Lebron played with SEVERAL different HOFers at the same time.
I don't know 3tard, looks like the data favors Mamba.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;x5PDgv5y-S0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0[/video]
Three 2nd fiddle rings.
[QUOTE=elementally morale;14871219]In reality, most people were absolutely okay to play with all these guys. You will find a player or two who says bad thing about ether of them after having played together but that's it. People were okay to play with Jordan. With Kobe. And are okay to play with LeBron.
As for the relying on analytics part, it sure has value. [B]I see many things on the court each game though that is not going into any stat.[/B] And if I can see that on TV, there is a lot more to it with your teammate on and off the floor.[/QUOTE]
You do not. For one, they track pretty much everything these days, from screens to distance covered, to hockey assists. For two guys who are highly impactful in terms of stuff that doesn’t show up on the traditional stat sheet (say Marcus Smart) do get their value reflected in analytics because of impact data. Impact data simply measures how well a team plays when the player is in, regardless of if they have a dominant statline or not. Stuff like this is how we know Derek White is a great player for instance.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871220]Hmm, maybe I will invent a statistic like you guys.
[B]Kobe[/B] - 5 championships in 20 seasons
[B]Lebron[/B] - 4 championships in 21 seasons
I will call this stat [B]"True Rings Percentage"[/B]
And I even did you a favor by including the 2020 Disney invitiational, which everyone knows isn't a real championship. :oldlol:
Mind you Kobe only played with two HOFers and not at the same time. Lebron played with SEVERAL different HOFers at the same time.
I don't know 3tard, looks like the data favors Mamba.[/QUOTE]
Do you think LeBron couldn’t win 3 rings in 8 years with MJ? Because in order for it to be an equal situation we have to give LeBron someone better than him for 8 years which is what Kobe had.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14871222][video=youtube;x5PDgv5y-S0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0[/video]
Three 2nd fiddle rings.[/QUOTE]
Oh right, Kobe played with Shaq. How could I forget. I guess that means his rings don't count.
Oh that's right.
Dwayne Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
I'm sorry is this an all star team or was this Lebron's supporting cast!?!?
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;14871221]Funny considering that some of the game's greatest players, analysts and coaches have made the exact same arguments.
Bronnies are down BAD.[/QUOTE]
You realize LeBron is rated higher than Kobe by the majority of people now? The discussion has been MJ and LeBron for a long time now you’re stuck in 2012.