Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
TMac couldn't get 2 games against a 2001-2002 Hornets team that had Baron Davis, David Wesley, Elden Campbell, and PJ Brown. Not exactly a Murder's Row of a lineup. Put Kobe on this Magic team and they're winning this series.
In 2003, they're up 3-1 on Detroit, and in game 7 TMac took a sh--- shooting 7-24 for 21 points.
In 2003-2004 they won 21 games.
TMac is no where near on Kobe Bryant's level. There's a reason he never won a series, he's not clutch, at all. I explicitly recall back in the early to mid 2000's the likes of Mark Jackson claiming Kobe Bryant being better than Michael Jordan. I never once heard that claim with McGrady.
Stop it already.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;15018077]TMac couldn't get 2 games against a 2001-2002 Hornets team that had Baron Davis, David Wesley, Elden Campbell, and PJ Brown. Not exactly a Murder's Row of a lineup. Put Kobe on this Magic team and they're winning this series.
In 2003, they're up 3-1 on Detroit, and in game 7 TMac took a sh--- shooting 7-24 for 21 points.
In 2003-2004 they won 21 games.
TMac is no where near on Kobe Bryant's level. There's a reason he never won a series, he's not clutch, at all. I explicitly recall back in the early to mid 2000's the likes of Mark Jackson claiming Kobe Bryant being better than Michael Jordan. I never once heard that claim with McGrady.
Stop it already.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say hes not clutch after that sequence he had vs the Spurs. Which is probably the best clutch stretch ever.
But he definitely didn't have Kobes long term discipline. Which isnt a knock because 99.999% of people never will. He was still phenomenal talent though in his own right.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=tpols;15018084]I wouldn't say hes not clutch after that sequence he had vs the Spurs. Which is probably the best clutch stretch ever.
But he definitely didn't have Kobes lingerie term discipline. Which isnt a knock because 99.999% of people never will. He was still phenomenal talent though in his own right.[/QUOTE]
Are you like to trying to be honest or be seen as "neutral" and friendly?
Who tf cares about 1 reg season clutch shot?
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=LAL;15018085]Are you like to trying to be honest or be seen as "neutral" and friendly?
Who tf cares about 1 reg season clutch shot?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't just a shot. You exposed yourself.
[video=youtube_share;e3EqY5gPrcU]https://youtu.be/e3EqY5gPrcU?si=Qaa3WvWbRLR64H2K[/video]
That's on prime Bowen Duncan.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;15018077]TMac couldn't get 2 games against a 2001-2002 Hornets team that had Baron Davis, David Wesley, Elden Campbell, and PJ Brown. Not exactly a Murder's Row of a lineup. Put Kobe on this Magic team and they're winning this series.[/QUOTE]
I think Kobe won one playoff series as the underdog in his entire career, which McGrady was in that series. To just claim he wins that series is pretty presumptuous. Kobe also consistently struggled against East teams in the Finals in the early 2000's.
[QUOTE]In 2003, they're up 3-1 on Detroit, and in game 7 TMac took a sh--- shooting 7-24 for 21 points.[/QUOTE]
Kobe would never do that, or play that badly in a Game 7.
[QUOTE]I explicitly recall back in the early to mid 2000's the likes of Mark Jackson claiming Kobe Bryant being better than Michael Jordan. I never once heard that claim with McGrady. [/QUOTE]
Literally one person claiming something idiotic is an irrelevant point to make. I could provide several examples of people saying all kinds of nonsensical shit.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
You think these bronsexuals who defend Tmac (most weren't old enough or born) give af about how many clutch shots other superstars had during bron's time?
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;15018077]TMac couldn't get 2 games against a 2001-2002 Hornets team that had Baron Davis, David Wesley, Elden Campbell, and PJ Brown. Not exactly a Murder's Row of a lineup. [B]Put Kobe on this Magic team and they're winning this series. [/B]
In 2003, they're up 3-1 on Detroit, and in game 7 TMac took a sh--- shooting 7-24 for 21 points.
In 2003-2004 they won 21 games.
TMac is no where near on Kobe Bryant's level. There's a reason he never won a series, he's not clutch, at all. I explicitly recall back in the early to mid 2000's the likes of Mark Jackson claiming Kobe Bryant being better than Michael Jordan. I never once heard that claim with McGrady.
Stop it already.[/QUOTE]
Oh, word? Well that settles it...
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=tpols;15018087]It wasn't just a shot. You exposed yourself.
[video=youtube_share;e3EqY5gPrcU]https://youtu.be/e3EqY5gPrcU?si=Qaa3WvWbRLR64H2K[/video]
That's on prime Bowen Duncan.[/QUOTE]
You really thought i didn't know it was more than one shot
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=LAL;15018075]Don't put your foot in your mouth again by mentioning defense then go back and hide again.
Man you bron stans fight for every great teammate or opponent of MJ & Kobe's time.[/QUOTE]
More like why is it only Mj and Kobes teammates that get bumped down lower than what they actually were at the time. You literally have a thread on top of the 1st page trying to downplay freaking SHAQ for the love of God. Shaq is in tbe pantheon, stfu. Pippen was regarded as the greatest sidekick ever.....until Kobe came along. Stfu. These are legends.
[QUOTE=LAL;15018073]You said Kawhi, Harden or KD coudn't do what legoofy did from 11 to 14 on the Heatles superteam (or 15 to 18 Cavs).
Please explain in depth because your previous reasons sucked, and why you thought
you felt you were confident enough to believe tmac would've been as successful as Kobe with Shaq.
Most bron stans would be honest enough to stay away from these type of discussions but your love
for delonte's son makes you look stupid and pathetic as f.[/QUOTE]
Go back and read my previous post on this. I purposely formatted it like a children's book attempting to reach you on a level you can compute. Im not wasting another post trying to explain what you're making out to be quantum physics to a dunce. If anyone else who can carry a debate addresses it i might but you? Nah. Im good. Go read the kids book I wrote you.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=tpols;15018087]It wasn't just a shot. You exposed yourself.
[video=youtube_share;e3EqY5gPrcU]https://youtu.be/e3EqY5gPrcU?si=Qaa3WvWbRLR64H2K[/video]
That's on prime Bowen Duncan.[/QUOTE]
You gotta excuse him he probably was like 6.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=Da_Realist;15017928][video=youtube;mQbyIS7k08M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQbyIS7k08M[/video][/QUOTE]
I mean just shut the whole thing down.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15018109]More like why is it only Mj and Kobes teammates that get bumped down lower than what they actually were at the time. You literally have a thread on top of the 1st page trying to downplay freaking SHAQ for the love of God. Shaq is in tbe pantheon, stfu. Pippen was regarded as the greatest sidekick ever.....until Kobe came along. Stfu. These are legends.
Go back and read my previous post on this. I purposely formatted it like a children's book attempting to reach you on a level you can compute. Im not wasting another post trying to explain what you're making out to be quantum physics to a dunce. If anyone else who can carry a debate addresses it i might but you? Nah. Im good. Go read the kids book I wrote you.[/QUOTE]
I tried but you're not worth it. Please ignore me.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
Bro peak 2003 T-Mac 100% wins if he replaces Kobe on the 2000 Lakers. It's not even a debate.
01 and 02 are uncertain though.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15018234][B]Bro peak 2003 T-Mac 100% wins if he replaces Kobe on the 2000 Lakers.[/B] It's not even a debate.
01 and 02 are uncertain though.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but that's basically creating a scenario where you're picking the best version of Tmac to pair with the best version of Shaq. I think there are more interesting and realistic scenarios to consider, like what happens if Tmac is drafted to LA in 97 ( he came a year after Kobe) and played with Shaq until 2005. If you assume Shaq is the same guy between 99 and 2002, then it's really more about how Tmac develops in that situation, the roster, the coaching, etc. Like are we literally just plugging Tmac into Kobe's spot, or is there likely to be other changes? Case in point, I said earlier that Eddie Jones was moved to make a spot for Kobe. Do they keep Jones and put Tmac at the SF spot? Do they still trade him but for someone else? Maybe a better PF than the likes of past prime AC Green and Horace Grant ( considering the gauntlet of PFs in the west at that time) and then stick Tmac at the two? I don't think it's as simple as just taking out Kobe, replacing with Tmac and everything else stays the same. Was it really Phil that got Shaq over the line, or was he gonna win regardless with any decent coach and it was just his time in 2000? I'm not saying yes or no one way or another, just saying there are various factors involved. Like, on paper Tmac by 2002 may have been good enough to win with 2002 Shaq, but Tmac also didn't have Kobe's personality to ruffle Shaq's feathers ( which was both what drove them to greatness as a pair but also part of why they split). It's why I think there is one title likely in this scenario, less likely two and definitely not three.
Re: Tmac: 'Replace me with Kobe and I'm with Shaq, I don't win a championship?'
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15018234][B]Bro peak 2003 T-Mac 100% wins if he replaces Kobe on the 2000 Lakers.[/B] It's not even a debate.
01 and 02 are uncertain though.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but that's basically creating a scenario where you're picking the best version of Tmac to pair with the best version of Shaq. I think there are more interesting and realistic scenarios to consider, like what happens if Tmac is drafted to LA in 97 ( he came a year after Kobe) and played with Shaq until 2005. If you assume Shaq is the same guy between 99 and 2002, then it's really more about how Tmac develops in that situation, the roster, the coaching, etc. Like are we literally just plugging Tmac into Kobe's spot, or is there likely to be other changes? Case in point, I said earlier that Eddie Jones was moved to make a spot for Kobe. Do they keep Jones and put Tmac at the SF spot? Do they still trade him but for someone else? Maybe a better PF than the likes of past prime AC Green and Horace Grant ( considering the gauntlet of PFs in the west at that time) and then stick Tmac at the two? I don't think it's as simple as just taking out Kobe, replacing with Tmac and everything else stays the same. Was it really Phil that got Shaq over the line, or was he gonna win regardless with any decent coach and it was just his time in 2000? I'm not saying yes or no one way or another, just saying there are various factors involved. Like, on paper Tmac by 2002 may have been good enough to win with 2002 Shaq, but Tmac also didn't have Kobe's personality to ruffle Shaq's feathers ( which was both what drove them to greatness as a pair but also part of why they split). It's why I think there is one title likely in this scenario, less likely two and definitely not three.