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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I agree '88 Pistons > '88 Celtics
But the Celtics were past their prime by '88. They relied to much on their starting 5 in the late 80's. They had no bench what so ever. That's one of the reasons they lost the '87 Finals because their lack of bench.[/QUOTE]
True, very true. But that's life. Just like the Pistons were past their prime in 91. That's how the torch gets passed. Well, that's how it used to get passed. :)
[QUOTE=bladefd]I wouldn't put McHale over Charles Barkley/MosesMalone for the 80s. IMO, Hakeem could have played PF too. He was versatile enough to defend both PFs and Cs in his prime. I personally think McHale was slightly overrated on both ends of the court. :confusedshrug:
For the 90's, you can also do Shaq for C and Hakeem for PF instead of Karl Malone. Malone was a beast but I think a Shaq/Hakeem duo would be basically unstoppable front-court for the 90s.[/QUOTE]
[B]Barkley was the Greatest Powerforward Ever when he was in his Prime and Healthy Free from Back and Knee Injuries.That was from 1985 to 1995. No Powerforward was better than him those years. Anyone who disagrees should shoot themselves :banghead:
McHale was not underrated he was the Greatest Post Up Powerforward Ever and could score 18-19 ppg in 31-32 minutes of play with over 60% FG. Barkley called him the toughest PF to Guard in the Post. Malone was a Great Hard Worker, he could Run alot for a big Man and lived of the Beutifull Pick and Rolls that master organizer Stockton designed for him in that fast paced Sloan System.
McHale: 1980-81 to 1985-86 (Second Barkley, Third Malone)
Barkley: 1986-87 to 1995-96 (Second Malone, Third McHale, Fourth Webber)
Malone: 1996-87 to 1998-99 (Second Barkley, Third Webber)
Duncan: 1999-2000 to 2004-2005 (Malone Second, Third Garnett)
Garnett: 2005-2006 to 2007-2008 (Second Duncan)
Something like that:) [/B]
[QUOTE=97 bulls]i stand corrected on the finals appearances, however, i was replying to the assumption that players drafted in the 90s didnt have an immediate impact on the league similar to the players in the 80s. webber was widely regarded as one if the top pf in the league from from his rookie season. and he put up stats similar to barkleys if you account for pace. hardaway was one regarded as the next magic johnson and would have put up similar stats if he played in the faster tempo 80s. iverson never had a bad season from his rookie until now. and the fact is none of the 80s players won just like none of the 90s players, some were close, just like some were close in the 80s. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.[/QUOTE]
Chris Webber wasn't considered a top PF until he came to the Kings in '99, at the time he was traded there were people saying the Kings made a bad move trading Mitch Richmond for him. Iverson never had a bad season but his 1st 2 years were not great years, '99 was his first great season.
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lol larry bird
I've always felt that he was utter garbage
[QUOTE=Koop1]lol larry bird
I've always felt that he was utter garbage[/QUOTE]
[B]How old are you? :rolleyes:
Larry Bird was and is the Greatest Smallforward of All Time:hammerhead: . Don`t be fooled by his unathletic looks. Ask Doctor J about his "Hick From French Lick" appearance which would disguise a cold bastard that could kill you by shooting, scoring, passing, rebounding and stealing the ball in the clutchest of situations[/B]
80s is good, with magic, bird, isiah, nique, dr j, and even mj as a youngster, but tha 90s put tha nba on another level in endorsements with food, sneakers, tv commercials, nba jerseys started selling like krazy, and even tha movie space jam, but tha game itself had mj's 6 rings, tha beginning of iverson, hakeem, barkley bustin ass, magic all star game in florida, knicks went to finals twice, I couldn't stand him but reggie made a name for himself, shaq, nba on nbc, do u want me to explain more??????
[QUOTE=willds09]80s is good, with magic, bird, isiah, nique, dr j, and even mj as a youngster,[B] but tha 90s put tha nba on another level in endorsements with food, sneakers, tv commercials, nba jerseys started selling like krazy, and even tha movie space jam,[/B] but tha game itself had mj's 6 rings, tha beginning of iverson, hakeem, barkley bustin ass, magic all star game in florida, knicks went to finals twice, I couldn't stand him but reggie made a name for himself, shaq, nba on nbc, do u want me to explain more??????[/QUOTE]
GREAT ARGUMENT!!!!!:roll:
I coulda swore when you said 90's ..I thought you more meant like
David Robinson
Shaq
Penny
Grant Hill
Iverson
Kobe
Kemp
Glenn Robinson
Larry Johnson
Mutombo
Mourning
Tim Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
etc..
Vs 80's (who were Jordan,Magic,Bird,Malone and Barkley etc..)Jordan dominated the 90's, but was from the 80's era.. same with some of the players I listed like Barkley..
Obviously the 80's would eat the 90's..hands down.
[QUOTE=23jordan23]I coulda swore when you said 90's ..I thought you more meant like
David Robinson
Shaq
Penny
Grant Hill
Iverson
Kobe
Kemp
Glenn Robinson
Larry Johnson
Mutombo
Mourning
Tim Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
etc..
Vs 80's (who were Jordan,Magic,Bird,Malone and Barkley etc..)Jordan dominated the 90's, but was from the 80's era.. same with some of the players I listed like Barkley..
Obviously the 80's would eat the 90's..hands down.[/QUOTE]
[B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:
Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!
Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s
Sorry...but...
Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)
And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)
On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)
[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B]
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:
Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!
Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s
Sorry...but...
Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)
And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)
On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)
[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]
you most be crazy talking about it was fan-like by far in tha 80's, tha fans payed more attention to basketball in the 90's, mainly cuz of michael jordan, not to mention tha 80's had only a couple of basketballl video games, nba took ova in tha 90s, and u naming all tha greats who was drafted, DRAFTED, in the 80's, but they excel at their best in tha 90s! there's nothing u can say about that...:rockon:
[QUOTE=willds09]you most be crazy talking about it was fan-like by far in tha 80's, tha fans payed more attention to basketball in the 90's, mainly cuz of michael jordan, not to mention tha 80's had only a couple of basketballl video games, nba took ova in tha 90s, and u naming all tha greats who was drafted, DRAFTED, in the 80's, but they excel at their best in tha 90s! there's nothing u can say about that...:rockon:[/QUOTE]
[B]NBA became more of an international thing in the 90s Il give you that true! That was do to the Puppet Jordan but in the 80s Rivalries where superior. You had the Lakers vs Celtics. Celtics vs Pistons. Celtics vs Sixers. Bulls vs Pistons. Sixers vs Pistons. In the West Blazers vs Lakers. Rockets vs Lakers. Suns vs them too.
The Bucks, Cavs and Knicks in the late 80s where competitive too.
Play-Offs where more agressive and expectations where more. After the Celtic and Lakers Legacy Passed and then the Pistons got old, the Bulls where the only real contender for a Champioship.
In the case of Jordan and Barkley their Excelling years where 1986 to 1993. 1 more year in the 80s:). Jordan and Barkley by 1993 where 30 yeards old. Theire Physical Excell and Potence was definetly in the 80s but in the early 90s they had a more of a solid game
Yet, you can`t tell me Im wrong when i say that in terms of Finess and Athleticism "They were Better in the 1980s". That Era Set The Tone for the 90s Marketing! :rockon:
Maybe you just like the 90s better because you are a Jordan and Bulls fan and Jordan was not a Champ in the 80s when the Celtics-Lakers and Pistons ruled and kicked their asses daily :confusedshrug: [/B]
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]To Compare Webber to Barkley is a disrespect to to Basketball. Thats like comparing Bryant to Jordan. This is what Barkley did to Webber:rolleyes: [/B]
[url]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdMW4Hi8yI[/url]
[B]And this is Charles in his 30s, he was no longer in his Physical Prime:) [/B][/QUOTE]
while i agree that barkley was better than webber, webber wasnt a scrub. and brkley was the mvp and webber held as a rookie held his own.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]You can chat all you want about how Webber and Hardaway having immediate impact impact on the NBA in the 90's but the truth is none of these players even come close to what Barkley, MJ, Hakeem did in the 80's.
Truth is Webber wasn't even an NBA All Star until his 4th season in the NBA. MJ, Hakeem, and Barkley were All NBA First team players by their 4th seasons.[/QUOTE]
let get this clear. im not sayn that hardaway webber and co are comparable to jordan and co. but those player were def not scrubs as you guys basically saying. in my opinion jordan is the greatest ever. and barkley and hakeem are in the top 5 in their respective positions. but the fact is the 80s drafted players were already established in the 90s and it really not fair to compare them to 1st and 2nd year players tryn to make a name for themselves.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Actually no. Go look at that '86 Rockets roster 1 more time please. You had Ralph Sampson who averaged 19 PPG and 11 RPG and also hit the game winning shot in Game 5 of the WCF. Lewis Lloyd was a player who averaged 17 PPG and shot 53% FG. Their Point Guard John Lucas avergaed 15.5 PPG and nearly 9 APG. After 1986 people predicted this team to be the best team in the West for years to come and they would have if it wasn't for all the drug problems that team faced.
And for the '89 Bulls you had solid young players Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
And it's funny how you said...."truth is jordan and company were dominating the 80s [B]but could never win[/B] because they never had a team around them". And once I pointed out Hakeem was in the Finals in '86 and Jordan was in the ECF in '89 you changed to..."like i said, if they had the team, [B]it would be different[/B]."
Please stop talking out of your *** and think.[/QUOTE]
i didnt contradict myself. i said they were dominating the 80s statisticly but never could win a championship. you picked out two seasons 86 for the rockets and 89 for the bulls as if those were the only two seasons in the 80s :rolleyes: and used those to support your argument. i responded by saying that they drug those teams to those two achievements. THEY GOT THERE IN SPITE OF THE TEAMS THEY WERE ON PERIOD. nad as far as the bulls 89 version scottie and horace were not the players they were in 91. they were IN THE LEAGUE TWO YEARS. how many players playin big roles win in their first 2 years. magic did but he was on a great team and bird did but thats not sn indictment on the rest of the league. not to mention magic and bird were coming into a weak league.