Jordan 69 pt game vs Kobe 81 point game

[QUOTE=Money 23]:biggums:

Kobe was at his absolute PEAK in 2006. The height combo of age, skill, IQ, and athletic ability. The conditions were set for him to do that, especially considering he put no effort anywhere else on the game. Whether it was creating for others or playing the defense he is capable of ...

That would be like PEAK 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 MJ playing on a horrific squad with no true title chances going out every night just looking to score.

You don't think he'd be able to sniff 81 given the right conditions? You're an idiot.

Dude put up 35 points in a HALF in the NBA Finals, sitting out half of the entire 2nd quarter against the NEXT best player at his position and the #2 MVP candidate.

[B]It would be like Kobe going up against Wade in the Finals and dropping 40 on him in one half, then chilling the rest of the game.[/B]

He could've easily eclipsed 70 in that Finals game if the situation was right. And it was on national television, the brightest spotlight. In the FINALS ... you're a damn retard.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Money 23]:biggums:

Kobe was at his absolute PEAK in 2006. The height combo of age, skill, IQ, and athletic ability. The conditions were set for him to do that, especially considering he put no effort anywhere else on the game. Whether it was creating for others or playing the defense he is capable of ...

That would be like PEAK 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 MJ playing on a horrific squad with no true title chances going out every night just looking to score.

You don't think he'd be able to sniff 81 given the right conditions? You're an idiot.

Dude put up 35 points in a HALF in the NBA Finals, sitting out half of the entire 2nd quarter against the NEXT best player at his position and the #2 MVP candidate.

It would be like Kobe going up against Wade in the Finals and dropping 40 on him in one half, then chilling the rest of the game.

He could've easily eclipsed 70 in that Finals game if the situation was right. And it was on national television, the brightest spotlight. In the FINALS ... you're a damn retard.[/QUOTE]

The DEFENSIVE RATINGS man!!! You're forgetting about the DEFENSIVE RATINGS dammit!!!

[B]2005-2006 Raptors:[/B] 112.7
[B]1991-1992 Blazers:[/B] 104.2

mms game more impressive, but that doesn't take away any credit from kobes performance..

I think people are overlooking the fact that Jordan's game went to overtime.

If Kobe's game goes to OT chances are he gets 100.

LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era.. Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:

81 points Jordan himself would say that.
Let's not mention Kobe had that 63. Point game in 3 quarters around the same time.

didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100

[QUOTE=KOBE143]LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but [B]Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era..[/B]Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

You were actually kinda sorta going good until the bold. The Raptors were an awful defensive team. They had a DRtg of 113.7 that year.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]I think people are overlooking the fact that Jordan's game went to overtime.

If Kobe's game goes to OT chances are he gets 100.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Who cares if it went into OT, he still shot 9 more times than Jordan, the only way this argument holds weight is if Jordan shot more than Kobe

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

It was one overtime, and took less shot attempts than Kobe with and extra period

Wasn't Kobe 7 points from scoring 69 in 3 qtr against the WCF champions?

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Wasn't Kobe 7 points from scoring 69 in 3 qtr against the WCF champions?[/QUOTE]

Yes.. And according to Kobe hater logic in this thread 62>69 because Kobe took less shots

[QUOTE=xxxSuperStar]We all know Kobe scored 81, but take a look at Kobe's 81 point game vs. Jordan's 69 point game vs the Cavs on 3/28/90

Kobe 81 points (28-46 63% shooting), 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steal, 1 block, 3 turnover

Jordan 69 points(23-37 62% shooting), [SIZE="5"]18 rebounds, 6 assists[/SIZE], 4 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers

Which is more impressive? I have to say Jordans. 18 rebounds while scoring 69 points is unheard of.

BTW, this game is on ESPN classic for you younger whippersnappers who have no idea how good Jordan was. Actually, there ESPN classic is running great NBA games all day today.[/QUOTE]
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doing what it takes to win... getting it all in the flow, not padding stats or gunning to score a specific number.

And MJ did it on the road vs a good team, as opposed to doing it at home vs one of the worst teams in the league.

I'm more impressed with Kobe's 64 vs the Mavs in three quarters than his 81-point game.

[QUOTE=sportjames23]And MJ did it on the road vs a good team, as opposed to doing it at home vs one of the worst teams in the league.

I'm more impressed with Kobe's 64 vs the Mavs in three quarters than his 81-point game.[/QUOTE]
this is all true.

if an alien came to earth and wanted to see the top 50 players of all time - and once all gathered, they asked "ok, which guy can get the hottest?"

kobe wins that one... there's going to be some awful shooting nights and severe inefficiency in between, but when he DOES get hot, no one got hotter... :confusedshrug:

Simple:

Kobe had the greater scoring game (slightly, 9 more shots against the 2nd worst defensive team in the NBA), MJ had the better overall game.

[QUOTE=3ball]this is all true.

if an alien came to earth and wanted to see the top 50 players of all time - and once all gathered, they asked "ok, which guy can get the hottest?"

kobe wins that one... there's going to be some awful shooting nights and severe inefficiency in between, but when he DOES get hot, no one got hotter... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Very true.

Completely agree with the last part.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Simple:

Kobe had the greater scoring game (slightly, 9 more shots against the 2nd worst defensive team in the NBA), MJ had the better overall game.[/QUOTE]

Lets just completely ignore the fact that the Mavs made the finals

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Bryant's 81 was more impressive offensively, but it's obvious that Jordan's was the better all around game.[/QUOTE]

offence not just scores :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=RidonKs]I agree. 200 points, 85 rebounds, 60 assists, it's all child's play for MJ. He could hit a 6 pointer if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to show anyone up.[/QUOTE]
But players in the 90s weren't as evolved as today's humans :confusedshrug:

[B]jordans 69 point game came in double overtime

he had 61 points at the end of the 4th quarter that game

infact jordan has never scored more than 61 after 4 quarters in a game


a) kobe scored 62 after 3 quarters before

and

b) if that 81 point game had 2 overtimes kobe would have scored 100+

[/B]

[QUOTE=MastaKilla]Lets just completely ignore the fact that the Mavs made the finals[/QUOTE]

Nelson ' s mavs?
Were you alive back then? Are you not aware that the team Kobe faced in the fall of 2005 wasn't the same defensive gem that made the finals?

81 is the greatest individual performance of alltime

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Nelson ' s mavs?
Were you alive back then? Are you not aware that the team Kobe faced in the fall of 2005 wasn't the same defensive gem that made the finals?[/QUOTE]

The team that Kobe dropped 62 on was the team that made the finals, moron.

I always preferred the "Kobe dropping 55 points on Michael Jordan" ( 42 in the first half , Kobe basically sat out the 4th quarter) ...

as a better display of Kobe's offensive ability.....so dangerous.

[QUOTE=MastaKilla]The team that Kobe dropped 62 on was the team that made the finals, moron.[/QUOTE]
Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]81 is the greatest individual performance of alltime[/QUOTE]

Hardly. Taking competition and stakes into account, Lebron's game 5 at the palace is comfortably more impressive, as is his 45-15 game 6 elimination performance on 70% IN BOSTON while holding Pierce to 4-18 shooting.
46 shots against the 2006 raptors doesn't do much for many of us. Tough luck.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]I always preferred the "Kobe dropping 55 points on Michael Jordan" ( 42 in the first half , Kobe basically sat out the 4th quarter) ...

as a better display of Kobe's offensive ability.....so dangerous.[/QUOTE]
look for yourself - Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even 1 possession in that game.

all kobe's points came on jerry stackhouse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfVQo_uyGk[/url]

still a nice game - 55 points and 42 by halftime, but it was against a garbage team, and none came on the GOAT.

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?[/QUOTE]


Kobe dropped 62 on the Mavs during the 06 season, the Mavs made the 06 finals.

It was the same season, the game took place in December of 05, that's like saying all of these games happening now aren't a part of the 2015 season.

I can't believe I have to explain this to you

How stupid are you?

81 fukin points by a shooting guard

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[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Err no. Nelson ' s mavs wasn't the same team that made the finals.
How old are you?[/QUOTE]
Why are you bringing up Nelson's Mavs? They have nothing to do with the 62 points Kobe dropped in 3 quarters ... against the Avery Johnson coached Mavs.

Learn to appreciate greatness wherever it comes from. Legendary performances by two of the greatest of all times. Stop it with the childish ruler posts...

[QUOTE=3ball]look for yourself - Jordan didn't guard Kobe for even 1 possession in that game.

all kobe's points came on jerry stackhouse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfVQo_uyGk[/url]

still a nice game - 55 points and 42 by halftime, but it was against a garbage team, and none came on the GOAT.[/QUOTE]


Nope..some came on B Russ....I watched the game live and still have the [B]whole game on [/B]VHS

Jordan was shook after Kobe dropped 20 points in like 4 minutes...MJ had to pick up Kobe a few times on D then quickly called for the switch...

by the 2nd quarter MJ took himself outta the game and was visibly upset on the bench...( pretty sure he was so mad he had tears)...

The simple fact Kobe made MJ quit....is the reason most fans say he dropped 55 on MJ.


I clearly remember as I was played Div 1 BBall and was trying out for the Lakers that year.

[QUOTE=NBAEMoreira022]are you trying to say that MJ's 69 was better than Kobe's 81? go to the store and buy something that costs 81 dollars but instead only pay 69 dollars and 18 pennies and see if the clerk thinks its better than 81[/QUOTE]
Does any one else think this is ridiculously dumb?

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]didnt jordans 69 come in double overtime


give kobe 2 overtimes and he breaks wilts 100[/QUOTE]

18 rebs >>>>>>>>> 6 rebs

[QUOTE=KOBE143]LOL at all the Kobe haters..

A normal person even without common sense can tell you that 81 >>> 69.. :facepalm at all the Jordan stans that can even do a simple math.. They always think that Jordan is the best in everything.. Honestly Im also a Jordan fan but Kobe 81 points was better than Jordan 69 pts and its not even close.. Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era while Mike in the weakest/no defense era.. Both were impressive tho and I appreciate it as two of the best scoring performance of all time.. Kobe at #1, maybe Mike at#10.. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

kobe only focus on offence,unlike jordan

uh, so let's see here... 81 > 69 and that's it... end of discussion?

what if the 81 came against a high school team, then would that make a difference?

okay, it didn't, but it did come against a 27-win team that sported a 113 defensive rating.

jordan's came against a 42-win team that had a 107 defensive rating.

oh, and jordan had 18 rebounds and 6 assists to kobe's 6 and 2 - but yeah, let's act like rebounding and assists are not part of someone's performance... :facepalm

most importantly, a lot of kobe's 4th quarter points came in garbage time when the game was well-decided, whereas all of Jordan's points came when it mattered - Jordan's team needed every single point he scored.

kobe was also gunning for a high scoring number - that was obvious from the 3rd quarter... whereas jordan got all his points in the flow of the offense.

[i]Cliffs of what we've learned itt[/i]: Jordan's performance was more impressive given that 1) his performance came against a much better team and defensive team (Cavs had 107 defensive rating to Raptors 113).. 2) none of his points came in garbage time.. 3) he had 3 times as many rebounds and assists.. 4) at no point was he gunning for a high scoring number - he got all his points in the flow of the offense.

[QUOTE=Paul George 24]18 rebs >>>>>>>>> 6 rebs[/QUOTE]



I think is much more difficult for kobe to get 69 with 18 rebound, 6 assist than get 81.

the title implies that we are comparing the points only.

IF you wrote jordans entire stat line vs kobes entire stat line then we can compare the rebounds and assist. but we talking about the points here.

Does someone have the 3 pointers made.. that would make a difference. Kobe higher points on higher effeciency i would go for kobe.