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[SIZE="5"]Paul won't give extension commitment to Warriors, Clippers[/SIZE]
[QUOTE]Chris Paul will not commit to signing a contract extension after this season with either the Golden State Warriors or Los Angeles Clippers if he is traded to either team by the New Orleans Hornets, citing the potential financial hit if he were to do that rather than becoming a free agent and signing a new deal with a new team next summer, according to league sources. That has left potential deals with both teams in limbo.
It was not known Wednesday if Paul had similar reluctance to sign an extension after this season with the Lakers, who are also involved in trade talks with the Hornets for Paul.
Paul is essentially making the same decision that Nets guard Deron Williams made last week in deciding not to sign an extension with New Jersey and becoming a free agent next summer. But while Williams could still re-sign in New Jersey, very few people around the league think there's any chance Paul will stay in New Orleans after this season, which is hastening the Hornets' desire to move Paul before the start of the season. Training camps are scheduled to open Friday, after the National Basketball Players Association and the NBA's Board of Governors each complete ratification votes on the new CBA Thursday.
Paul is getting paid $16.359 million this season, and has a player option for next season at $17.779 million. If he were to agree to an extension on the existing contract, he would play for the $17.779 million next season, and then be eligible for a two-year extension in 2013 for $19.112 million and $20.446 million, for a total package of $74 million through the 2014-15 season. If, however, he opts out and becomes a free agent, he'd be able to sign a five-year deal with his incumbent team worth $102 million.
Both teams understand Paul's position, but don't feel comfortable moving forward with no assurances he would stay with them after this season.
The Clippers, for example, are very reluctant to include the unprotected first-round pick from Minnesota they currently own in any deal with New Orleans -- which is understandably holding out for the maximum amount possible in exchange for its franchise player -- under the current scenario. A source indicated Wednesday it would be up to the Hornets to lower their demands for Paul to make the deal happen. New Orleans wants a combination of young players and Draft picks for Paul. But the Clippers' package still does not include guard Eric Gordon, the player the Hornets are believed to covet most off of L.A.'s roster.
Another source indicated Wednesday night that New Orleans wasn't interested in the Clippers' second-year forward, Al-Farouq Aminu, as part of the package, either. Aminu would be more expendible if the Clippers sign Mavericks free agent small forward Caron Butler, who visited them Monday night, or Detroit's Tayshaun Prince. Butler was in New Jersey Wednesday night visiting with the Nets, after very positive meetings earlier in the week with the Bulls and Spurs.
The Warriors have indicated they will not put their young star guard, Stephen Curry, in a trade package, though league sources are divided as to whether that's a permanent decision or one just based on Paul's current stance.
Paul has only reportedly told the Knicks -- who most believe don't have enough assets to make an acceptable offer to New Orleans -- that he is willing to sign an extension after this season. While there are some teams around the league that would be willing to take the gamble that they were only renting Paul's services for a year, the Clippers and Warriors are not among them.
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^...and on the other hand, warriors won't part with curry and clips won't part with gordon. seems like both those teams are being pulled off the table. that leaves boston and lakers. for all those saying he won't be traded to LA....gasol/bynum + picks + cash sounds worse to you than just rondo? granted, rondo comes at a nice value but it'd be difficult for them to make the playoffs. would cp3 sign an extension with either of those teams? probably not since he can get more money by opting out. do either of those teams feel confident they can keep him regardless?
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If the Lakers got Paul and Howard, it would look kind of desperate. I mean Kobe has won with Shaq, then Gasol, and now it looks like he just wants 2 superstars so he can pass Jordan. But the problem is, that if they won with Howard and Paul, Kobe might not even be the mvp on that team.
All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....
[QUOTE=All Net]All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....[/QUOTE]
and of course the Knicks, but they have no trade assets
[QUOTE=All Net]All reports suggest CP is only willing to sign extension with lakers....[/QUOTE]
hmm, hope Howard is trade priority #1 for the Lakers.
That's a lie...
Anyone else think.
Dwight
Pau
Kobe
is better then
Dwight
Kobe
CP3
???
[QUOTE=YAWN]hmm, hope Howard is trade priority #1 for the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
IF the Lakers give up bynum and get cp3 but not howard. Thats fine.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8BY80BxPA&feature=player_detailpage#t=30s[/url]
[QUOTE=32Dayz]Anyone else think.
Dwight
Pau
Kobe
is better then
Dwight
Kobe
CP3
???[/QUOTE]
I think Dwight+Kobe+CP3 is better than Dwight+Kobe+Fisher.
[QUOTE=32Dayz]Anyone else think.
Dwight
Pau
Kobe
is better then
Dwight
Kobe
CP3
???[/QUOTE]
me me me.
Bynum and Pau combination is already sexual enough to see
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0fdL-AYv0[/url]
just imagine with Dwight this time.
[QUOTE=MichaelCheazley]IF the Lakers give up bynum and get cp3 but not howard. Thats fine.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8BY80BxPA&feature=player_detailpage#t=30s[/url][/QUOTE]
Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.
[QUOTE=YAWN]Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.[/QUOTE]
Exactly why as a Heat fan. I could care less if u get cp3.
1. His knees are shot
2. Makes your front court much softer
3. Takes ball away from kobe
And if cp3 were to break down who can you guys trade? Pau kobe odom will be old. So yea. Dwight on the other hand me no gusta. Please go elsewhere.
[QUOTE=YAWN]Id rather have the length advantage with Dwight & Pau. All we need from a PG is someone that is quick enough to chase around and defend all these all-star point guards.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd say Dwight gives them more value especially if they lose Bynum and Odom. Honestly, [I]any [/I]PG upgrade from Fisher would be useful for a Laker team with Dwight, Gasol and Kobe.
I'm also looking to add CP3 and Dwight Howard to my team. My trade assets are a bag of skittles, $4 in loose change and a $20 coupon to the Sizzler. I think that's enough to outbid the Knicks, but I might have to look under the couch for some more spare change if I want to outbid the Lakers.
[quote]Where will Dwight Howard be playing a year from now?
J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: [B]With the Lakers[/B], taking his place in the franchise's storied succession of big men. The Lakers can send two quality big men to Orlando, and they can afford to take back Hedo Turkoglu's contract.
Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: [B]1111 S. Figueroa Street[/B].
Dave McMenamin, ESPNLosAngeles.com: With the Nets. As long as Mikhail Prokhorov can keep Deron Williams in the fold, it's the perfect place for Phase 2 of Howard's career. He would have a top-15 teammate to contend with the concentrated talent pools in Miami, Oklahoma City, Chicago and Los Angeles. He would have the New York media in his lap, feeding his love of the spotlight. He would have an owner who has made it clear that he'll do whatever it takes to win. And, did I mention, he'll have the New York media lapping up the Amare/Melo versus Dwight/Deron in a bid for city basketball dominance storyline? Plus he won't have the whole "Shaq copycat" monkey on his back, and he'll be able to make a boatload of endorsement cash playing in a major market to offset the $25 million or so in salary he will be leaving on the table by departing from Orlando. It's a perfect fit.
Brian Windhorst, ESPN.com: The odds-on favorite is [B]the Lakers[/B]. They have enough to make a deal with Orlando and can afford to wait until the process unfolds. Eventually, Howard might just try to force his way there anyway.
Royce Young, Daily Thunder: Los Angeles. It seems like a foregone conclusion that Howard will join Kobe at Staples playing in the forum blue and gold. It all seems like we're just sort of wasting time and effort before that happens. The Nets will make a run, for sure, but the [B]Lakers[/B] are about to have to turn over the franchise with a new batch of players, and you know they aren't going to be empty-handed. They'll get someone, and Howard will be the prize. [/quote]
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Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.
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Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?
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Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Almost sounds like the Lakers best offer was Odom and MWP for him.
[QUOTE=talkingconch]Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?[/QUOTE]
i guess, but they would still need to clear cap space to sign him right ? amnesty gasol ?
[QUOTE=talkingconch]Doesn't this make it better for the Lakers then?[/QUOTE]
Nope the lakers don't have the cap room to sign Howard unless howard is willing to take a massive pay cut
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Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
That's one ballsy GM.
[QUOTE=El Kabong]Almost sounds like the Lakers best offer was Odom and MWP for him.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.
Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.
C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul
It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.
Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.
C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul
It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.[/QUOTE]
Are you stupid or just acting stupid?
CP3 & DHO aren't going to sign an extension with the Jazz or some other shit team.
The only teams who have a shot @ these two are the Lakers & the Knicks.
And I can see Boston&Prokhorov gambling but that's it. And the Clippers are just delusional.
Im assuming Bynum was offered to the Magic for Howard. How is Bynum plus some old trash worse than letting him walk for nothing?
Look at the Cavs now. Im sure they would have rather taken a good young player than let LeBron leave for nothing.
LOL NBA GMs also said Grizzlies wouldnt trade Pau for a scrub like Kwame Brown and another scrub named Javaris Shitterton, but Kupchak backhanded the league and made it happen, looks like he's going to do it again
[QUOTE=Lebron23]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Even the Utah Jazz have lots of trade assets compared to the LA Lakers. They actually have enough young talents that might get the attention of the Magic and Hornets front offices.
Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap for Dwight Howard
Devin Harris, Draft rights of Enes Kanter (3rd overall pick), Mehmet Okur's expiring contract for CP3.
C- Dwight Howard
F- Derrick Favors
SF- Gordon Hayward/Jeremy Evans
SG- CJ Miles (FA)/Alec Burks/Raja Bell
PG- Chris Paul
It sucks that both of these players wants to play on a big market team. Dwight Howard and CP3 + a younger supporting casts>>> Boozer and Deron.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it sucks. I'm sure if you had the choice of NY, LA and Utah you'd run to Utah. Why wouldn't they both want to go live in Salt Lake City?
Can someone explain why the Hornets are even entertaining Bynum or Gasol? THEY NEED TO SUCK, get the first pick, have a new star by opening day next year. They need their other big contracts off the books. They do not need a bunch of marginal pieces to make themselves decent. NO ONE WANTS TO BE DECENT. You want to win a title or suck.
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Been telling my LA buddies this for the longest. Dwight will not be traded to the Lakers anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
The Lakers could offer Bynum (young center with loads of upside) on an expiring contract. They could also throw in Odom on an expiring contract and somebody like Blake (reasonable contract for 12 million over the next 3 years)....and they would take back Howard and Hedo.
I don't see how that is a bad deal at all for the Magic. They get at least something back for Howard and get to shed Hedo's bad contract. They also get two quality players back with only 1 year left on their deals. Lets be clear....If this version of Andrew Bynum was in the upcoming draft...he'd probably be the the first pick. At worst he'd be a top 3 pick. The Magic could rent him for a year and see what he's actually capable of. If they don't like him, just let him go.
I just don't see how that is bad. Bynum is about as good as you are going to do as a player to replace Howard...and the Lakers obviously would be willing to take back Hedo's contract.
The real idiot is the GM that thinks letting Howard walk and not shedding Hedo's contract in a trade is the smart business decision. That is honestly all that matters. Howard is clearly gone....the Magic have to use that to their advantage and at least get rid of Arenas or Hedo in the process. I'm assuming nobody would take Arenas, so Hedo is the guy.
Bynum, Odom, and Blake for Howard and Hedo is a fine deal. Especially since there are so few teams Howard is likely to agree to stay with.
[QUOTE=niko]Can someone explain why the Hornets are even entertaining Bynum or Gasol? THEY NEED TO SUCK, get the first pick, have a new star by opening day next year. They need their other big contracts off the books. They do not need a bunch of marginal pieces to make themselves decent. NO ONE WANTS TO BE DECENT. You want to win a title or suck.[/QUOTE]
Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.
I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.
The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.
Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.
I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.
The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.
Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.[/QUOTE]
I get Bynum more for Orlando who doesn't seem to have the patience to do a true reover. But for NO, it makes more sense to get the first pick in the draft, and start with him. as opposed to Bynum, who is an iffy injury risk. Orlando can afford the risk, NO cannot. For NO, rebuilding with a young star (draft pick) and clearling out as many contracts as possible is tye play. NO needs to SUCK. This is a great draft. getting enough pieices to ensure you are not a top 1-3 type pick makes no sense at all.
NO needs to stop trying to win the trade and instead make a trade that sets them up going forward the best.
[QUOTE=niko]I get Bynum more for Orlando who doesn't seem to have the patience to do a true reover. But for NO, it makes more sense to get the first pick in the draft, and start with him. as opposed to Bynum, who is an iffy injury risk. Orlando can afford the risk, NO cannot. For NO, rebuilding with a young star (draft pick) and clearling out as many contracts as possible is tye play. NO needs to SUCK. This is a great draft. getting enough pieices to ensure you are not a top 1-3 type pick makes no sense at all.
NO needs to stop trying to win the trade and instead make a trade that sets them up going forward the best.[/QUOTE]
But Paul won't go to a team for the first pick....that is the problem. No team is going to just trade the first pick for a player they aren't sure they can keep.
Paul/Howard want to go to contenders. They have all the power now because they are free agents after this year. Its the Melo situation all over again.
You keep saying NO needs to suck...I totally agree. Keeping Paul does not help them suck. They need to do 2 things:
1. Trade Paul as quickly as possible
2. Make sure they get rid of Okafor in that same deal
That is really all that matters. Trust me, if they get rid of both of those guys...they will suck.
Me personally, I would just rather take a chance on Bynum this year. I'm high on him....especially in the last year of his contract....and especially because other teams will be willing to go after him at the deadline if the Hornets want to move him.
Paul/Howard are not going to stay with crap teams. They want to play in a big market with a chance to compete for a title. That limits the Hornets options greatly for trades.
Like you said...they need to suck. Getting rid of Paul helps them do that. They won't get equal value back....hell, they shouldn't want it.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Gasol doesn't make sense. But Bynum does. I will say it again. The current version of Bynum would go in the top 3 of the upcoming draft at worst. He'd probably be the first pick. Why not rent him for a year and see what he's got? Its not like he alone is going to make a team great anyway. He's on an expiring deal as well.
I don't think the Hornets or Magic can do much better than Bynum on an expiring contract for their superstars. Best case scenario Bynum flourishes and starts tapping into some of that potential and they keep him. Worst case scenario is that they don't want to keep him and either move him at the deadline or let him walk in the summer. Either way its better than letting your star player just walk in the summer.
The main goal of the Hornets and Magic should be to use trading Paul and Howard as a means to get rid of Okafor and Hedo. That is really the main thing. Howard and Paul are gone....it sucks, but its reality. The worst thing they can do is let them ruin their teams for a year and make the playoffs and piss off fans and not get something back or at least rid of garbage contracts.
Keeping them makes almost no sense at all unless one of the teams has the ability to drastically improve the roster this year. And I just don't think thats possible.[/QUOTE]
The Orlando GM don't want to let LA acquire another dominant Center. They are probably planning to tank in the 2012 NBA Season, and draft a guy that's younger, more skilled, and less injury prone than Andrew Bynum.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134235&page=2[/url]
[QUOTE=Lebron23]The Orlando GM don't want to let LA acquire another dominant Center. They are probably planning to tank in the 2012 NBA Season, and draft a guy that's younger, more skilled, and less injury prone than Andrew Bynum.
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SO they are going to tank the season by keeping Howard and not being in lottery? Or in order to screw the Lakers who play in the WC?
Neither of that makes any sense.
[QUOTE=niko]SO they are going to tank the season by keeping Howard and not being in lottery? Or in order to screw the Lakers who play in the WC?
Neither of that makes any sense.[/QUOTE]
The Lakers already screwed them in the mid 1990's when they signed Free Agent Shaq in the 1996 NBA Season. Otis Smith probably thinks that tanking in the 2012-2013 NBA Season is much better than acquiring an injury prone Center, and a 32 yrs.old PF.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]The Lakers already screwed them in the mid 1990's when they signed Free Agent Shaq in the 1996 NBA Season. In the mind of Otis Smith he probably thinks that tanking in the 2012-2013 NBA Season is much better than acquiring an injury prone Center, and a 32 yrs.old PF.[/QUOTE]
You make no sense at all. You are suggesting Orlando tank by keeping all their assets, or that they should make decisions based on ****ing over the Lakers. Neither of those things make sense. I HATE the Lakers but i don't want my Knicks making decisions based on what harms them. That's asinine.
[QUOTE=niko]You make no sense at all. You are suggesting Orlando tank by keeping all their assets, or that they should make decisions based on ****ing over the Lakers. Neither of those things make sense. I HATE the Lakers but i don't want my Knicks making decisions based on what harms them. That's asinine.[/QUOTE]
This is what I am trying to say.
Otis Smith don't want that garbage players on their team. . By letting Dwight become a free agent next year it leaves more room (salary cap) for them to sign some quality players in the off season. Magic don't have anything left to lose
[QUOTE=Lebron23]This is what I am trying to say.
Otis Smith don't want that garbage players on their team. . By letting Dwight become a free agent next year [B]it leaves more room (salary cap) for them to sign some quality players in the off season[/B]. Magic don't have anything left to lose[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't:facepalm
If you trade away Dwight with one of your horrible contracts. Get Bynum in return (who has 1 year left in his contract), see how he pans out. If good keep him if not get rid of him and start tanking for a #1 pick.
If you just let Dwight walk, you're left with some horrible contracts (Arenas & Turk in particular) and no one to build around.
Is that so hard to comprehend?