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[QUOTE=donald_trump]if youd train to become more explosive your bench press should have stayed the same if not gone up...[/QUOTE]
No but I was more just lifting heavy weights around before with no real purpose. I'm training smarter now. I've dropped body mass to help move around faster. I can bench a lot greater weight explosively now, that doesn't mean my 1 rep max is going to be greater.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]you can't dunk with a 35" vertical?
that vertical is probably wrong[/QUOTE]
It might be a couple inches less i have to make myself look good but ive had the same vertical since sophmore year. I have small hands and have to cradle the ball. I can dunk a volleyball easily b/c i can palm it and i can catch alleyoops but not dunk solo
[QUOTE=CardiacKemba]No but I was more just lifting heavy weights around before with no real purpose. I'm training smarter now. I've dropped body mass to help move around faster. I can bench a lot greater weight explosively now, that doesn't mean my 1 rep max is going to be greater.[/QUOTE]
if you train explosively, you are dropping the weight and reps, and increase the force of which you push the weight up with.
you are teaching your muscles to push quicker, so when you do get back to heavier weights, you have the ability to push up a heavier weight quicker so you exert the force on the weight for a shorter period of time, allowing you to not tire as quickly and hence get it up.
this is a typical instruction guide for how to get your bench up after you've peaked or even for those 6 months in looking to move up quickly once they have the basics.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]4 inches is what you need above the rim to dunk. So he should be able too is what I'm saying. 35" means he got hops.[/QUOTE]
you need to be a good 7 inches over the rim to dunk... and thats just a full stretch 1 handed no power nothing dunk. if u have huge hands and can palm the ball easily u could get aeay with 6 inches over only... but you have to be able to get your whole hand over it without the ball basicqlly n order to dunk. i was about 4 inches over the rim at my max and could mot dunk so i know this from experience as well.
[QUOTE=donald_trump]if you train explosively, you are dropping the weight and reps, and increase the force of which you push the weight up with.
you are teaching your muscles to push quicker, so when you do get back to heavier weights, you have the ability to push up a heavier weight quicker so you exert the force on the weight for a shorter period of time, allowing you to not tire as quickly and hence get it up.
this is a typical instruction guide for how to get your bench up after you've peaked or even for those 6 months in looking to move up quickly once they have the basics.[/QUOTE]
Yeah true, I just haven't gone back up to trying that much heavy weights yet (in honesty that number I said was a rough estimate, assuming my max would have dropped, but your logic makes sense so it may be higher).
[B]height:[/B] 6'
[B]weight:[/B] 175 pounds
[B]vertical: [/B]no clue. I can barely dunk a tennis ball, if that tells you anything.
[B]max bench: [/B]something pathetic. too embarrassed to try.
but I go f****** hard in the paint
[B]Height:[/B] 6'
[B]Weight:[/B] 165 lb
[B]Body fat:[/B] 10%
[B]
Max bench:[/B] I don't do 1 rep max. I don't like snapping all my shit up (hodgetwins shoutout)...butttttt....[B]last time I did it I did 285 lbs[/B]. I could do more now. I'm into bodybuilding. I think 1 rep max is fukking dumb though, even for bodybuilders.
[B]
Vertical:[/B] I've never measured it but I can just dunk. Maybe 29"?
[B]Wingspan:[/B] 6'2"
[B]Standing reach:[/B] Dunno I think 7'10"
[B]40-yard dash:[/B] No clue, but I'm way too slow for my liking. :mad:
Age: 29
Height: 5'10
Weight: 215 lb
Max bench: 335
Vertical: Was 33" when I started high school, but I gained 75lbs. over the 4 years bulking for football...now probably more like 26-28"
Wingspan: 5'11"
Standing reach: Who knows. 7 1/2 feet maybe
40-yard dash: Played Fullback/Linebacker in high school and ran 4.85...bet I can't crack 5 seconds now
Forget the super leapers in here. The amount of guys who weigh less than 175, but are benching over 250 is ludicrous. You can go to the gym and watch 20 guys in a row bench and only 4-5 of them will be strong enough to throw on 2 plates. On ISH that 16/20 can throw on two plates for reps...
:oldlol:
All these people that are at the peak of human athletic ability, all on one forum. Who would've thought!
[QUOTE=Solid Snake]All these people that are at the peak of human athletic ability, all on one forum. Who would've thought![/QUOTE]
LOL Olympic caliber athletes sitting behind a keyboard all day posting thousands of times in a month. Wasting all this elite talent...
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=donald_trump]your stats seem pretty spot on, unlike the others.
there were a few. 6 foot tall, 6'6 wingspan and only 175lbs or something and still pushing 250lbs plus.
at a bigger height, longer arms and lower weight, its only going to be harder to get something like that up.[/QUOTE]
I'm 6'1 tall, 6'7 wingspan
BUT I have always been solidly built..I listed my max bench at 120kg/265lb (one rep), which was when I was working out really hard and I weighed around 95kg/210lb at the time.
for someone to be pushing 250lb and only weigh 175lb is a tad dramatic I think, especially with long arms like me.
[QUOTE=Solid Snake]All these people that are at the peak of human athletic ability, all on one forum. Who would've thought![/QUOTE]
Well, it's not like you have tons of guys claiming to be 6'10.
Myself, I know I'm personally in the top 3 or 4% of humans in height, wingspan, etc... But that's sounds a lot more impressive than it really is. By NBA standards I'm only a SG or a big PG. On an average day, I'm bigger than the majority of people I see, but I'll see maybe 2 or 3 guys my size or bigger. If you really pay attention, you'll see a 6'8 or 6'9 guy here and there. They're not all NBA players.
[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]Forget the super leapers in here. The amount of guys who weigh less than 175, but are benching over 250 is ludicrous. You can go to the gym and watch 20 guys in a row bench and only 4-5 of them will be strong enough to throw on 2 plates. On ISH that 16/20 can throw on two plates for reps...
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I haven't read other people's stats, but I've been weight training for 10 years. I'm not claiming I'm a superhuman.
The only things I'm relatively good at in life are cooking, lifting, basketball, women, and video games. :D
[QUOTE=Pushxx]I haven't read other people's stats, but I've been weight training for 10 years. I'm not claiming I'm a superhuman.
The only things I'm relatively good at in life are cooking, lifting, basketball, women, and video games. :D[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying you couldn't be that strong, but I am saying that I've never seen a lineup of short skinny guys come into the gym and throw on 2 plates for reps...the chances all of these guys are telling the truth is small. Especially since the majority of them are basketball players. Most guys who are 5'8" 180lbs. and are trying to push their bench max past 250lbs are Defensive Backs. The average 180lb. guy isn't even thinking about lifting 2 plates and a quarter on bench
[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]I'm not saying you couldn't be that strong, but I am saying that I've never seen a lineup of short skinny guys come into the gym and throw on 2 plates for reps...the chances all of these guys are telling the truth is small. Especially since the majority of them are basketball players. Most guys who are 5'8" 180lbs. and are trying to push their bench max past 250lbs are Defensive Backs. The average 180lb. guy isn't even thinking about lifting 2 plates and a quarter on bench[/QUOTE]
Of all the statistics people have listed, I've struggled to believe the bench max the most. 40 people claimed to weigh more than 170 lbs. here. Of those 40, 17 claimed they could max more than 225 lbs. Knowing virtually nothing about bench lifting, I'm not sure how crazy that is or not, but it seems like a high number of people.
Just like the vertical measurement, where most people probably provided their all-time highest running max vertical, I'm guessing most folks took their all-time highest bench for this one (unless their post was noted with something like "I used to be able to do ____ but now I can only do _____.")
Also, when I came out to a InsideHoops average of 218 lbs. for bench, that number was taken from the lowest number of respondents for any of the categories. A ton of folks left a "Don't know, don't lift" message for that one. I'd guess if they provided their real lifting numbers alongside the heights, weights, and verts they mentioned, the average bench number would come [i]way[/i] down.
[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]I'm not saying you couldn't be that strong, but I am saying that I've never seen a lineup of short skinny guys come into the gym and throw on 2 plates for reps...the chances all of these guys are telling the truth is small. Especially since the majority of them are basketball players. Most guys who are 5'8" 180lbs. and are trying to push their bench max past 250lbs are Defensive Backs. The average 180lb. guy isn't even thinking about lifting 2 plates and a quarter on bench[/QUOTE]
Most basketball players are the opposite of strong lifters absolutely. They have to be or they'll be too slow.
I would be a much better basketball player if my upper body was much lighter. Being built is a big reason why I'm so slow for my size.
I imagine only professional athletes can 1RM bench press 1.5x their weight and still have a 35"+ vert. Probably ISH is just e-stating it up. I've always been more dedicated to bodybuilding than playing basketball. Obviously I'm obsessed with the NBA more than anything though.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Most basketball players are the opposite of strong lifters absolutely. They have to be or they'll be too slow.
I would be a much better basketball player if my upper body was much lighter. Being built is a big reason why I'm so slow for my size.
I imagine only professional athletes can 1RM bench press 1.5x their weight and still have a 35"+ vert. Probably ISH is just e-stating it up. I've always been more dedicated to bodybuilding than playing basketball. Obviously I'm obsessed with the NBA though.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how many folks have made the 1.5x body weight claim. 1.5 of 170 would be 255 lbs. Altogether, nine members claimed a max above 250 lbs. There's also nine members who claimed they weight 230 lbs. or more (16 members 220 lbs. or more).
So theoretically, even if the truth is only 5 of the 9 250+ benches are reality, nearly all of them could have come from the 12+ 220 lbs. guys here.
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 245
Wingspan: 6'6"
Bench: 415
Vertical: not sure, maybe 22 inches
Standing reach: not sure, likely 8'6" or so
40 yard: last time I ran it was 6.1. I'm pretty slow
body fat %: Last time I was tested it was 16%, but i've lost 10 pounds so I don't know.
Edit: I suck at basketball, it's hard to move me in the paint, but i'm too short to play down there. I would trade my strength for being even slightly better at ball.
[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Edit: I suck at basketball, it's hard to move me in the paint, but i'm too short to play down there. I would trade my strength for being even slightly better at ball.[/QUOTE]
Practice man. Use your strength as an advantage.
Mix that in with good footwork, a good jumpshot, and good hustle, and you'll be a way better basketball player.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Practice man. Use your strength as an advantage.
Mix that in with good footwork, a good jumpshot, and good hustle, and you'll be a way better basketball player.[/QUOTE]
I do practice basketball, I love it as i'm sure everyone on here does. It is pretty hard in Canada during the winter though, especially when the nearest public indoor court is about a 40 minute drive away.
My footwork is mediocre at best, I can't seem to get the coordination down. It's like my freaking mind just can't comprehend what to tell my feet to do. I can visualize exactly what I want to do, but when I try to do it I always screw up.
My jumpshot as i'm sure you can guess is very bad. It's like rookie LeBron bad. I can get hot, but I don't think I have the muscle memory that professional athletes have. Not to toot my own horn, but I think the reason is that I am just to strong to have a good shot, but I use my strength more because of my profession (Pen guard).
I handle some of the worst inmates in Canada on a daily basis, and when a situation breaks out I have to be able to outmuscle multiple inmates at a time while I wait for backup. Thankfully nothing serious has ever happened to me, but it's been close and without my strength and training i'm not sure I would even be here at this momment.
Edit: And as for hustle, I may not be the best player on the court, but i'll be damned if I am not trying the hardest out there. I block every shot possible, I draw fouls, and I take charges. I am basically an Anderson Varejao type of player at this point, my post game is slightly better as I actually have a hook shot.
My summer league stats last year (21 and under) were 14pts, 11rbs, 1apg, 3blk, .3stl. I also shot 60% from the feild as I am pretty much strictly a post up player, and I draw a lot of fouls.
FYI I have videos to prove all my claims/stats :banana:
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Most basketball players are the opposite of strong lifters absolutely. They have to be or they'll be too slow.
I would be a much better basketball player if my upper body was much lighter. Being built is a big reason why I'm so slow for my size.
I imagine only professional athletes can 1RM bench press 1.5x their weight and still have a 35"+ vert. Probably ISH is just e-stating it up. I've always been more dedicated to bodybuilding than playing basketball. Obviously I'm obsessed with the NBA more than anything though.[/QUOTE]
I'm not doubting you man. As a whole though ? LOL
E-stating is right. ISH...home of E-stating
[QUOTE=Rake2204]Of all the statistics people have listed, I've struggled to believe the bench max the most. 40 people claimed to weigh more than 170 lbs. here. Of those 40, 17 claimed they could max more than 225 lbs. Knowing virtually nothing about bench lifting, I'm not sure how crazy that is or not, but it seems like a high number of people.
Also, when I came out to a InsideHoops average of 218 lbs. for bench[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess and be generous...I'd guess that the average man can max about 185lbs on bench. 218 is way too high
[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]If I had to guess and be generous...I'd guess that the average man can max about 185lbs on bench. 218 is way too high[/QUOTE]
220lb is 100kg (measurement we use in Aus). To be honest it isn't THAT out of the ordinary for someone that would get to the gym a few times a week, and actually put in a decent effort when they're in there.
[QUOTE=CardiacKemba]220lb is 100kg (measurement we use in Aus). To be honest it isn't THAT out of the ordinary for someone that would get to the gym a few times a week, and actually put in a decent effort when they're in there.[/QUOTE]
It's not out of the ordinary for people who get in there a few times a week and do work...truth is the average person doesn't
[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]It's not out of the ordinary for people who get in there a few times a week and do work...truth is the average person doesn't[/QUOTE]
Yeah true. I guess in that case a few people on here may have stretched the truth on that then :lol ....I would trade my bench press strength (I have a naturally large upper body and wide shoulders) for better hops anyday. So I don't know why people would lie about their bench on here, for most positions in basketball it shouldn't be that important, especially at the heights that are listed!
[QUOTE=CardiacKemba]220lb is 100kg (measurement we use in Aus). To be honest it isn't THAT out of the ordinary for someone that would get to the gym a few times a week, and actually put in a decent effort when they're in there.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no way most people on here can bench 100kg :oldlol: I can do 80 on 1 rep max, although I guess Im not that serious with my lifting (been training for a 10k recently).
if you way 170lb you should def be able to bench over 200 easily. i'm 160 5'9 and maxed at 230 when I was lifting at least 4x a week.
5'8" and 185 pounds
bench press? probably around 120 lbs. IDK, it's been awhile since I've been to the gym. LOL
Standing reach...IDK.
Wingspan like Kevin Love. I can barely jump.
ht: 6-3 (190cm)
weight:164 lb
vertical leap: low 30s
max bench: ?
standing reach ?
wingspan 6-10
40 yard dash: ?
[QUOTE=Sakkreth]ht: 6-3 (190cm)
weight:164 lb
vertical leap: low 30s
max bench: ?
standing reach ?
wingspan 6-10
40 yard dash: ?[/QUOTE]
Sick wingspan, those are bball player numbers, you play?
[QUOTE=CeltsGarlic]Sick wingspan, those are bball player numbers, you play?[/QUOTE]
Played, Sabas bball school.
height 6-2 (187cm)
weight 80kg(172lbs)
wingspan idk but i do have long arms
vert i can touch the rim (so not very high)
40 yard dash idk but i was always around 7.5sec for 60m before i gained weight
Height: 6'4
Weight: 165
Wingspan:?? I have long arms though. I'm fitted for 35 sleeves so I'd guess it's at my height or a little more.
Standing Reach: I can touch the net without lifting my feet off the ground.
Vert: Not sure. I can dunk off 1 foot with a running start. Really need to get this up though.
Bench: 135.
40: I ran track in HS. Had a 540 mile and high 50 second 400. IDK 40 tho.
I'm pretty quick for my height and length so I can easily get around a big guy if they put one on me. And it's very easy to find slashers/the open man or shoot if they put a smaller guy on me. Defense is probably my favorite part of the game.
ht: 5'10'ish
weight:210
vertical leap: 21" standing , haven't measured my running vertical
max bench: 160'ish
standing reach ?
wingspan: same as my height
40 yard dash: 5.5
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I notice everytime these topics come up about 90% of ISH seems to be at the peak of human potential athletic ability wise.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
How do you guys know your vert and your 40 yard time?
[QUOTE=KobesFinger]How do you guys know your vert and your 40 yard time?[/QUOTE]They were all measured at the NFL draft combine. Duh.
[QUOTE=KobesFinger]How do you guys know your vert and your 40 yard time?[/QUOTE]
a guy timed my 40 yard dash , and I have one of these at my gym to test my vertical
[IMG]http://www.verticaldunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/vertec-e1297448596250.jpg[/IMG]