TRADE: Cavs trade Andrew Bynum, picks to Bulls for Luol Deng

This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.

[QUOTE=sixer6ad]This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.[/QUOTE]


I agree.

This team as it stands should start to turn things around. I'd be very surprised if they don't start winning alot.

[QUOTE=sixer6ad]This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.[/QUOTE]

i agree with this post. At some point its on the players on the floor to produce. Too many cavs fans look BS reasons to blame the losses on. Last night against philly cavs set a season high in assists. Did Mike Brown magically come up with a new offensive strategy overnight? Or did our players pull their heads out of their asses and played intelligently with some passion?

I've been saying it all season long and i'll say it again. This team's biggest problem is the decision making of our guards. Until they learn to consistently move the ball rather than just drive to the hoop and hope for the best, this team is going to struggle. Any team would.

Deng isn't going to be the answer to all this team's problems but he fills a GIGANTIC hole that this team hasn't filled since Lebron left. I think on top of his game, his addition is going to boost the confidence and trust Kyrie and Dion have in some of the other teammates.

[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]i agree with this post. At some point its on the players on the floor to produce. Too many cavs fans look BS reasons to blame the losses on. Last night against philly cavs set a season high in assists. Did Mike Brown magically come up with a new offensive strategy overnight? Or did our players pull their heads out of their asses and played intelligently with some passion?

I've been saying it all season long and i'll say it again. This team's biggest problem is the decision making of our guards. Until they learn to consistently move the ball rather than just drive to the hoop and hope for the best, this team is going to struggle. Any team would.
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yeah, the execution was on point last night, running plays properly, and the guards were moving the ball unselfishly. AC did a great job pointing out kyrie and dion's hockey assists.

i think the true test of dion and kyrie's unselfishness will be when their teammates shots arent falling. will they regress back to overdribbling, or will they trust them enough to keep feeding them the ball, till they get out of a cold spell. thats a real sign of trust.

[QUOTE=sixer6ad]This absolutely ends all of the excuses at some point this year. After this group plays together for a spell, all of us CLE fans HAVE to stop saying "lack of talent".

Kyrie
Waiters
Deng
Thompson
Varela

is a lineup that many cities would take. Miles hits 10 3's last night and might not finish games! Jarrett Jack's leadership with this group? Could be great.

Grant puts up with a lot of crap, but at what point do we look at a lineup and say that it's good enough to win consistently? This lineup above could win 6 or 7 out of every 10 games.

Stop talking about Chris grant and mike brown. Let's start putting the heat on this lineup to get it done. It's good enough to win.

5 game trip out west begins Friday, but the test will actually begin after the trip. That's when this group should start to play.[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's any doubt the talent is there. Hell, I thought that even before this trade. The amount of young guys being relied upon for huge roles and adapting to a new system is the reason we have struggled so far this season, imo.

And, despite the recent losing streak, the team was actually playing better. A very narrow loss to the Pacers without Kyrie? A buzzer-beater against the Blazers? Another very close loss to the Heat?

I agree that all excuses are now out the window. Even the youth thing... Deng should help immensely with that.

One thing is for sure... this team isn't playing for the lottery. And, I don't think they should at this point in the rebuild. At some point you have to start winning games just to be reassured things are on the right track.

As much as I love this team direction I'm still hoping we can package Varejao and Jack for something. I just want to get rid of Jack and Andy is a good piece but I'd like to see what we could get for him.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]As much as I love this team direction I'm still hoping we can package Varejao and Jack for something. I just want to get rid of Jack and Andy is a good piece but I'd like to see what we could get for him.[/QUOTE]
We'd have to get a big back, although I must admit... I've liked what Zeller has done since he came back from injury. When he gets in the game, the tempo kicks up immediately. He's really good at running the floor and his all-around game has improved quite a bit since his rookie season.

Still, he's not a starting center on a good team. More like a rotational big.

We could go all-in on the "win now" model and take a stab at Zach Randolph. I'm not a big fan of a move like that, personally, but it's something to think about.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]We'd have to get a big back, although I must admit... I've liked what Zeller has done since he came back from injury. When he gets in the game, the tempo kicks up immediately. He's really good at running the floor and his all-around game has improved quite a bit since his rookie season.

Still, he's not a starting center on a good team. More like a rotational big.

We could go all-in on the "win now" model and take a stab at Zach Randolph. I'm not a big fan of a move like that, personally, but it's something to think about.[/QUOTE]
I love Zbo but he wouldn't fit next to Thompson and I would prefer to keep him. I can't think of a trade that makes sense so it's more likely we keep Varejao which I don't really have a problem with.

Get it done Cavs.

New York gets: Jack and Varejao (Jack can take J.R. Smith's spot_
Cavaliers get: Tyson Chandler

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andy fits so well on this team, the ball movement would be much much worse without him. not to mention his rebounding and defense.

id want a big talent upgrade if we are giving up andy.

i have no problem moving jarret jack along. so far this season, delly has been just as good, if not better than jack. plus, with the deng trade, i assume that marks the end of the 3 guard lineups, so one of them is going to be getting a few less minutes, from this point onwards.

[QUOTE=chips93]andy fits so well on this team, the ball movement would be much much worse without him. not to mention his rebounding and defense.

id want a big talent upgrade if we are giving up andy.

i have no problem moving jarret jack along. so far this season, delly has been just as good, if not better than jack. plus, with the deng trade, i assume that marks the end of the 3 guard lineups, so one of them is going to be getting a few less minutes, from this point onwards.[/QUOTE]
I know, up until pretty recently, Delly had the same PER as Oladipo. I think Victor has edged ahead of him recently, but they're still pretty close.

Delly has been a really great pickup. Truth is, with how bad this draft class has been, he has probably been one of the best rookies in the league so far this season. And, what he brings to a team is often hard to quantify using statistics. He reminds me of a guard version of Andy.

As disappointing as Bennett has been and even Karasev to a lesser extent, Delly's play has helped make up for them.

He makes Jack completely expendable, imo. I was initially excited about the Jack signing, but now it seems pretty obvious that he's a redundant with Dion/Kyrie. Delly is a much better change of pace guy, actually.

I agree with you about Andy, btw. He's a glue guy and I suspect he'll be even more vital now that we have Deng rounding out the starting five. The only way I trade him is if we have a chance to get younger at the position.

Bump.

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