Sam Mitchell just said the Jazz white unis have to just be summer league jerseys. :roll:
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Sam Mitchell just said the Jazz white unis have to just be summer league jerseys. :roll:
NBA executives and scouts that attended Las Vegas Summer League agreed that young players would be lucky to strike a deal with the Utah Jazz right now. [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23267833/johnny-juzang-has-a-chance-to-be-the-utah-jazzs-next-developmental-success-story"]“Guys like (Jared) Butler and Juzang are about to get 30 minutes a night,” one scout said. “That’s not a bad spot to be in.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23267833/johnny-juzang-has-a-chance-to-be-the-utah-jazzs-next-developmental-success-story"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
[URL="https://www.startribune.com/timberwolves-chris-finch-rudy-gobert-karl-anthony-towns/600190582/?refresh=true"]What have your conversations been like with D’Angelo? Chris Finch: Incredibly positive, of course. He’s very excited, as all of our guys are. He knows how important a rolling big is to his game.[/URL] … One thing we might not be able to do as much is kind of play him off the ball [on defense] as much as we had done as a roamer. We don’t need that now. He’s got to be a little more locked in. … That’s going to be a little different for him. His competitiveness on the ball, everyone might have to guard their natural position a little bit more than we had done in the last year. So those are all things that come to mind initially when I think about it. But he’s very excited. We feel like this gives us a chance, gives him a chance to get the best version of him, which is what you want.
– via [URL="https://www.startribune.com/timberwolves-chris-finch-rudy-gobert-karl-anthony-towns/600190582/?refresh=true"]Chris Hine @ Minneapolis Star-Tribune[/URL]
[URL="https://www.startribune.com/timberwolves-chris-finch-rudy-gobert-karl-anthony-towns/600190582/?refresh=true"]What’s the big priority in the offseason with Ant? Chris Finch: The big priority for him is to continue to really get better at the things he’s good at. Attacking and finishing. I think his finishing can certainly improve.[/URL] He gets to the rim at a high rate, finishes at a medium rate. Foul drawing. Playmaking. Everybody is working on throwing lob passes right now.
– via [URL="https://www.startribune.com/timberwolves-chris-finch-rudy-gobert-karl-anthony-towns/600190582/?refresh=true"]Chris Hine @ Minneapolis Star-Tribune[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23267833/johnny-juzang-has-a-chance-to-be-the-utah-jazzs-next-developmental-success-story[/url]
[QUOTE][h=2]The Jazz signed Juzang to a two-way contract and for a team that looks like it could be heading toward a major rebuild, that means more opportunity.[/h][/QUOTE]
more opportunity for some. Jazz will be full of young guys. Only so many get to play
[QUOTE]“Guys like (Jared) Butler and Juzang are about to get 30 minutes a night,” one scout said. “That’s not a bad spot to be in.”
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Doubt either of them plays that much. Juzang is a two way so should be playing mostly for the Stars
[QUOTE]Juzang is a natural scorer who coaches describe as having an innate feel for the game. At 6-foot-6, weighing 208 pounds and with a 6-foot-11 wingspan, he has the frame and the ability to become a classic 3-and-D player.
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6'11 is ok on the wing or guard
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23265859/future-utah-jazz-forward-simone-fontecchios-idol-is-none-other-than-joe-ingles-nba-free-agency[/url]
[QUOTE]Ingles, a longtime forward for the Jazz who is now a member of the Milwaukee Bucks, is one of Fontecchio’s basketball idols.
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and a couple Rudy wannabe's a center!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/17/23264585/utah-jazz-reportedly-signing-italian-forward-simone-fontecchio-saski-baskonia-euroleague[/url]
[QUOTE]Per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the deal is two years for $6.25 million. ESPN’s Jonathan Givony rates Fontecchio as the best available international prospect at small forward.[/QUOTE]
I penciled him in at the 3 after looking at his rebound numbers. Much like Ingles! At 6'8 you'd love if he could play the 4
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/7/17/23266159/utah-jazz-have-signed-simone-fontecchio-of-baskonia-two-year-deal-nba-free-agency-donovan-mitchell[/url]
[QUOTE]This is also another signal that the Utah Jazz are doing what’s best for the team, not just the wishes of current Jazz player Donovan Mitchell. In a way, it’s a freeing feeling. Utah can go after the best players available without having to get a signoff from a player that doesn't seem interested in being on the team long-term. Who knew that would be such a healthy development for the Jazz?![/QUOTE]
Ainge. Never a good idea to kowtow to your players especially when it's not even your best player
[QUOTE]The Jazz have a lot more moves to make, including [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/7/14/23215922/donovan-mitchell-trade-knicks-new-york-jazz-quickley-toppin-grimes"]a massive potential trade of Donovan Mitchell[/URL], but it feels like the Jazz are content right now making all the other moves they need to while they wait on the Knicks to give the go-ahead on their current trade request. A crazy summer for the Jazz continues!
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I'd guess we'll start hearing of some movement by Miami and others to make a competing offer so Ainge can get his 7 1sts somehow. Definitely some other teams that could add picks and talent to the trade. Probably end up being NY in the end after Ainge makes them sweat a bit. James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE]Hansen, if Danny does not get what he asks for, is it possible we tank with Donovan? DM can play 30+ mins per game to maintain good stats, but we can have our 2nd unit finish the games to guarantee we tank. We also trade Boggie, Conley, Clarkson, Beverly for any young/ pick we can get by Fall. DM can lead and all the young players gain experience. Next year, we have 3 picks, ours which can be lottery, then 2 more at least assuming we dont get more 2023 picks for the vets we have (which we can use to trade up too). And we can use picks we get from our older vets or some of the MIN ones to get another good player next year (and we will still have picks left). In 2-3 years, we will be very good and we have Donovan's Bird rights. He is not going to leave us for max somewhere where he can get supermax. Why settle for less now to trade DM ?[/QUOTE]
they were tanking the moment they traded Rudy rather they knew it or not. How hard they tank is the only question now. Mitchell is not a max guy who can lead a team anywhere. Ainge realizes this
[URL]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/17/23268052/utah-jazz-finish-las-vegas-summer-league-with-a-win-over-the-denver-nuggets[/URL]
[QUOTE]This game was a perfect example of Butler’s summer league. Butler ran the offense well by reading the defense and setting up his teammates with impressive passes. In this game, Butler had 6 assists and was a +14. Like he has all summer league, Butler struggled with his shot shooting 20% from three and 35% from the field. Butler shows flashes of a really nice offensive game, but for whatever reason, he hasn’t been able to polish his game into well-rounded efficiency. For example, multiple times this game Butler would get by his man with a nice first step but couldn’t finish at the rim. Other times Butler would miss three-point shots, and would look timid the next time he’d have a potential shot. The next step for Butler on offense will be his ability to find his efficiency within Will Hardy’s offense. It makes this a vital season for Butler because if he can’t find that ability to score, the league may pass him by.
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He's listed at 6'3 but seems small. He's still young and has a lot of talent. He'll be fine
[QUOTE]After a long summer league, these three players have a chance to really grow and impact this season for the Jazz, it’s up to them to improve their respective games. It’ll be fun this season to see if they’re able to. If they don’t, we’ll have more players coming into the league next year. It’s a cold reality of the NBA, get better or get replaced.
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There's another two way(though I'm not sure he keeps it?) and 4 exhibit 10's. Might be some others in the mix for camp and the Stars too
[QUOTE]Danny, Seriously you want to trade DM for NYC scrubs and late FRPs ? Its going to be hard to even find someone half as good. [/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if they didn't end up with someone better than Mitchell by tanking maybe more than 1. Gobert maybe not
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/17/23266506/utah-jazz-take-on-denver-nuggets-in-final-game-of-summer-league-game-showtime-channel[/url]
[QUOTE]Having signed Johnny Juzang recently, and now Simone Fontechio, the Jazz are closing in on a final roster. But more signings probably depends on what happens with Donovan Mitchell, Bojan Bogdanovic and Mike Conley. A game like this today is a final chance for players looking to make the Jazz roster can make an impression on the team.
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I hope they aren't close to a final roster. A lot of work to be done. Too many vets
[QUOTE]Great pass by Butler for a Cockburn dunk. Not sure why others don't see the potential in him. Still think Quin made a big mistake not finding 10 to 15 consistent minutes for him every game. Especially after Joe went down.
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the Stars are there for a reason
[QUOTE]One point of view. We had Trent Forrest out there. Not tanking but was pretty obvious we didn't care that much about regular season wins. Just think his development would have been sped up if we did. We drafted the guy. Had high praise for him. Played him when we needed a body
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Forrest was better. A lot of ways to develop. Don't think having him on the floor when he wasn't ready helps anyone
[QUOTE]why is Butler on the team and Forrest not ? Danny should have waived Butler and signed Forrest. No ? Wait ... you know more.
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Forrest can't shoot. Butler can...we hope!
[QUOTE]They don't like Butler because they think that will somehow reflect poorly on Quin's decision making. While they were perfectly fine playing Trent Forrest who would never be able to learn to shoot.
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I don't think that is necessarily true. His shot looked better last year. The bigger problem is getting him to let it fly. If he could get even respectable on open shots he's have spot in the league for a long time
[QUOTE]agree, that needs to be developed and it improves by him getting mins that Quin didn't give. He already has shown progress by tonight just by playing the past couple of weeks. [/QUOTE]
he develops that with the Stars and in practice. This idea that guys have to suck at the NBA level to develop is ridiculous!
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But he is surely better than Forrest (whom is not on the Jazz anymore)
But i think he should be given a fair shot before a decision is made[/QUOTE]
he's not. Forrest dominated the summer league last year even with his lack of a shot. Butler has more upside because of his age
[QUOTE]Yes, he shows flashes of very interesting things, but i really don't know why he played so few in all that summer league...... sometimes i just don't understand the goal of the summer league when you take players and don't play them
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17 players. They all got time
[QUOTE]but you ever worry about his release? seems like he brings it up from his waist and has a low release spot
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that's what I saw when they drafted him. Figured they'd work on a higher release like they did with Ingles
[QUOTE]have you seen how he dresses?
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exactly! I thought he looked like a douche when he first started sitting on the sidelines with his big hats! :lol
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/17/where-will-utah-jazz-be-without-mitchell/[/url]
[QUOTE]So where are the Utah Jazz without Mitchell? Well, with [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/utah-jazz-debate-series-three-ways-utah-won-the-gobert-trade/"]seemingly infinite draft picks[/URL], they will have a brighter future than any of the true cellar dwellers, but their record next season might be one of the worst in the conference.
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OKC?
[QUOTE]The Spurs are destined for an all-out tank in 2023, but all the other younger teams want to try and win now. The Thunder and Rockets have some young players, and the Blazers seem to think Damian Lillard can get them to the postseason. The Kings have Fox and Sabonis, so there’s no reason for them to throw games. It could be a race to the bottom, but with all the draft capital from a hypothetical Mitchell trade, the Jazz will be back in force soon.
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Only Blazers and Kings trying to win
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/18/nets-ideal-trade-partner-utah-jazz/[/url]
Danny doesn't want anything to do with Simmons. Doubt many if any do. If you can get another team to take him sure!
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks[/url]
[QUOTE]"New York is motivated. They're motivated to get Donovan Mitchell, but I think they're also motivated to not just give up everything to get him. They've got four of their own unprotected first round picks. Now, people talk about seven or eight picks. I think a lot of those picks are conditional protected picks that are coming from places like Detroit and Washington. I don't think the Jazz value those the way they do New York's unprotected picks."
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James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE] Keith Smith: The Boston [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Celtics $17.1M Traded Player Exception from the Evan Fournier sign-and-trade expires today[/URL]. Last chance saloon time for Boston to use the NBA’s current largest TPE.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA"]Twitter KeithSmithNBA[/URL]
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TPE and a 1st for Clarkson or Beverley or Gay?
[URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]“I think the Knicks and the Jazz will reengage here at some point. Maybe it’s this week. Maybe it’s next week. Maybe it’s in two or three weeks.[/URL] The Jazz are not necessarily going to move quickly. The Rudy Gobert talks… that was over a period of time this summer and once Minnesota stepped up with the package they did, that was an easy deal for the Jazz to do.
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]RealGM[/URL]
“New York is motivated. [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]They’re motivated to get Donovan Mitchell, but I think they’re also motivated to not just give up everything to get him. They’ve got four of their own unprotected first round picks.[/URL] Now, people talk about seven or eight picks. I think a lot of those picks are conditional protected picks that are coming from places like Detroit and Washington. I don’t think the Jazz value those the way they do New York’s unprotected picks.”
– via [URL="https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267979/Jazz-Exploring-Broader-Market-For-Donovan-Mitchell-Trade-After-Discussing-Options-With-Knicks"]RealGM[/URL]
[URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/kd-stuck-in-brooklyn-now-why-is-that?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjkxNTY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2NDYzNjI3MywiaWF0IjoxNjU4MTcwODY0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzkyMjA1Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9._2KtkeHl3G12VajsNe6b13YllAsTGLYWiabyK6sLK0E&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email"]The perpetually title-or-bust Heat, not surprisingly, are all-in on scouring the league to try to manufacture extra first-round picks to boost their chances of completing a trade for Kevin Durant or Utah’s Donovan Mitchell.[/URL] But more teams than not are asking themselves this question: If we trade for Durant, how long before he wants to go somewhere else?
– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/kd-stuck-in-brooklyn-now-why-is-that?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNjkxNTY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2NDYzNjI3MywiaWF0IjoxNjU4MTcwODY0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzkyMjA1Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9._2KtkeHl3G12VajsNe6b13YllAsTGLYWiabyK6sLK0E&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]
Then, Monday morning on Get Up, Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Lakers aren’t just focusing on Irving, that talks between Brooklyn and L.A. are “not dead yet,” and that there’s a “good chance” Irving will be back with the Nets “to start the season if Kevin Durant is back in Brooklyn.” [URL="https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/7/18/23268325/reality-dawns-on-kyrie-irving-front-he-may-not-be-going-anywhere-soon-or-at-all"]“I think the Lakers will make a deal, maybe more than one deal,” said Woj. “It may not be for Kyrie Irving, it may not be for an All-NBA player, an All-Star… players like Eric Gordon in Houston, Buddy Hield in Indiana, players like Patrick Beverly who came to the Jazz in a trade from Minnesota who are role players on winning teams.[/URL] What is the price for those kinds of moves? They’re going to continue to be active on those things.
– via [URL="https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/7/18/23268325/reality-dawns-on-kyrie-irving-front-he-may-not-be-going-anywhere-soon-or-at-all"]Net Income @ NetsDaily[/URL]
[QUOTE] Emiliano Carchia: Former Perth Wildcats coach and Boston Celtics assistant coach [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Scott Morrison, is expected to join Will Hardy’s staff in Utah as the Salt Lake City Stars G-League head coach,[/URL] I am told
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Carchia"]Twitter Carchia[/URL]
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He might have the better team this year. While the Jazz suck the Stars should be good once again after getting robbed of their potential title chance in 2020
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50442006/patrick-kinahan-collateral-damage-accompanies-jazz-rebuild[/url]
not sure Rudy and Royce are fan faves
[QUOTE]Give Ainge and owner Ryan Smith credit for willing to take a gigantic risk rather than staying the course. Instead of keeping a likely playoff roster mostly intact, the management group is gutting the nucleus.
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barely made the playoffs last year so there were no guarantees. Mostly rather Rudy is healthy and carrying the team as usual
[QUOTE]"What he got for Gobert, which everybody in the league is (complaining) about like, 'Can you believe it? How could they possibly do that?' I mean, I've talked to 10 different people who have (complained) to me about that trade."
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and yet the Twolves probably win the trade with the best player
[QUOTE]Not that he is even close to being finished. More trades are expected before training camp opens in two months and could extend into the season until the February trade deadline.
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let's hope he's got it all done before camp
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/18/23269303/when-might-a-donovan-mitchell-trade-get-done-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-woj-espn-get-up[/url]
[QUOTE]Calling it “a sliding scale,” Wojnarowski noted that certain frameworks might have fewer players and more future draft picks, while other frameworks might have the opposite.
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Danny obviously wants the picks mostly so they might need to get more teams involved
[QUOTE]“I don’t think the Jazz value those,” he said of protected picks. “They certainly don’t value those the way they do New York’s unprotected picks. Those have value.”
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it's what Danny lives for!
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/18/23268462/narratives-dominate-donovan-mitchell-to-new-york-trade-talks[/url]
[QUOTE][INDENT] If the Knicks accomplish this off-season:
- Signing Jalen Brunson
- Resign Mitch Rob
- Acquire Donovan Mitchell
- Move on from Julius Randle
- Extend RJ Barrett
IT WILL EASILY BE THE GREATEST OFF SEASON IN NEW YORK BASKETBALL HISTORY!
— Jay Knicky TKW (@JayKnicky) [URL="https://twitter.com/JayKnicky/status/1547431866080399361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 14, 2022[/URL] [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
:roll:
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[INDENT] Good thread, but also feels a little optimistic on the price they'll have to pay. Not super far off tho
He also makes the point we've all been making. The Knicks have been pursuing this for a long while. The idea they are just gonna walk (if the price is too high) is laughable [URL]https://t.co/9kk6NxOnCa[/URL]
— Dunzo (@Dunzod) [URL="https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1548475340984438786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 17, 2022[/URL] [/INDENT][/QUOTE]
James ****in' Dolan!
[QUOTE]While a deal could be announced any minute, reading the landscape tells us it’s more likely that news will break in a few days to a couple weeks. Great ready to strap in. The Utah Jazz and the New York Knicks are set to dominate the NBA headlines for the rest of the offseason.
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It will probably take a while with all the moving parts picks, protections, swaps, etc. That's why the Jazz have so many front office people though!
[QUOTE]The Knicks believe Utah wants to begin the season with a tank-ready roster at all costs. They don’t believe the Jazz are interested in either cobbling together a decent roster by first tip or keeping Donovan in limbo until a deal is done.
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Ideally I'm sure but Ainge will hold out until he at least gets the minimum of what he wants and he'll probably get a lot more
[QUOTE]Danny Ainge has walked away from many deals in the past, like trying to acquire Anthony Davis and being unwilling to include Jayson Tatum. He’s also fast tracked deals when the return is satisfactory, like in the Rudy Gobert deal.
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might have a title in the bubble but otherwise Tatum all day every day over the crutch
[QUOTE]Ultimately, Danny Ainge’s reputation wins out here. It’s too early to say what kind of a GM Leon Rose is but there are undisputed facts. New York has signaled desperation and intention. Utah has signaled availability. It’s ultimately about getting close enough to the asking price to cross the threshold.
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Ainge and James ****in' Dolan. The Perfect Storm! Almost feel sorry for Knicks fans...almost!
[QUOTE]As hard as it may be as fans, let’s take a page out of Ainge’s playbook and exhibit patience. By all accounts, a deal will get done. The longer Danny holds out, the better deal Jazz fans can reasonably expect.
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and it's got the chance to change this franchise forever
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/18/nets-ideal-trade-partner-utah-jazz/[/url]
no one wants Ben
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/18/utah-jazz-what-did-johnny-juzang-summer-league-mean/[/url]
[QUOTE]The most glaring part of his game was his defense. Juzang is not a freak athlete, and he just looked slow. The worst part is, that NBA players are quicker and faster than Summer League players, so Juzang has a lot of work to do on that side of the ball.
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looks like more of a 4
[QUOTE]The framework is there, but Juzang has a long road ahead of him. Per his contract, he can play 50 games for Utah this season but expect him to make minimal appearances and develop more in the G-League.
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ya think? :facepalm
[url]https://fansided.com/2022/07/19/nba-mega-deals-climate-chaos/[/url]
[QUOTE]They’ll also have added a dozen first-round picks and swaps and about a half-dozen intriguing youngsters. There’s a very real chance the Jazz will enter this season with their biggest contributing holdover being Rudy Gay. They may not have traded their entire team, but going from a respected contender led by two All-Stars to Rudy Gay’s band of merry gentlemen is about as big a turnaround as any franchise can swing from one year to the next.
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need to get rid of him too even if it costs
[QUOTE]In the NBA money rules everything, everything is commodified. Especially hope. See how good Memphis is? New Orleans could take a Grizzlies-level leap this year. Indiana is exciting and new when they looked to be running out of steam. New York could go from a backcourt of Alec Burks and Evan Fournier to Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brunson. Brooklyn went from meh to the favorites in a single day three years ago. All these deals and the lives they uproot — players who don’t want to be traded, their families, support staff who work for them — are justified by fans wanting a reason to hope for better days.
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from a big backcourt to a tiny one. Have fun with that. At least Conley played D
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267984/Cam-Thomas-Quentin-Grimes-Headline-All-Summer-League-Teams[/url]
[QUOTE] RJ Barrett and Tyler Herro are the two extension-eligible 2019 first-rounders whose futures seem tied to the outcomes of the Durant and Mitchell trade sweepstakes. The Miami Heat remain focused on acquiring one of those aforementioned All-Stars, and [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10042535-sources-predict-nba-rookie-extension-paydays-for-poole-barrett-herro-and-others"]multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told B/R that Miami has prioritized pursuing Durant over Mitchell[/URL].
– via [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10042535-sources-predict-nba-rookie-extension-paydays-for-poole-barrett-herro-and-others"]Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report[/URL]
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hard to imagine Riley wanting Mitchell
[QUOTE] Keith Smith: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]There are currently 11 teams over the NBA’s luxury tax line (listed by amount over the tax line): LAC: $41.7M GSW: $36.5M[/URL] BKN: $31.2M MIL: $23.6M BOS: $20.1M PHX: $16.2M LAL: $16.1M DAL: $14.6M DEN: $10.5M POR: $1.5M ATL: $1.2M
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA"]Twitter KeithSmithNBA[/URL]
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Ainge is having now?
[URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10042535-sources-predict-nba-rookie-extension-paydays-for-poole-barrett-herro-and-others"]Knicks personnel have projected confidence, sources said, that they will ultimately be able to land Mitchell without sacrificing Barrett.[/URL] Likewise, league sources have indicated that Utah isn’t enamored by becoming the franchise that coughs up a sizable extension to Barrett.
– via [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10042535-sources-predict-nba-rookie-extension-paydays-for-poole-barrett-herro-and-others"]Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report[/URL]
[QUOTE] Talkin’ NBA: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“The Donovan Mitchell situation is really headed towards a stalemate… Donovan Mitchell is not pushing it so I hope everybody enjoys their summer.”[/URL] — Brian Windhorst
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA"]Twitter _Talkin_NBA[/URL]
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I hope Danny starts having some fun anyway!
Tony Jones: [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/nba-trade-talk-for-everyone"]I know that the Jazz have talked to teams about Mike Conley.[/URL] I don’t know how much of a market there is remaining for Mike Conley.
– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/nba-trade-talk-for-everyone"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]
NBA on ESPN: . @wojespn with the latest on Donovan Mitchell: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“I do think any potential Donovan Mitchell deal is going to take some time.”[/URL]
[HR][/HR] [INDENT] .[URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@wojespn[/URL] with the latest on Donovan Mitchell:
"I do think any potential Donovan Mitchell deal is going to take some time." [URL="https://t.co/MyARcKEYWx"]pic.twitter.com/MyARcKEYWx[/URL]
— NBA on ESPN (@ESPNNBA) [URL="https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1549477655099019264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 19, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA"]Twitter ESPNNBA[/URL]
Marc Stein on Donovan Mitchell: My intel has been that [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/nba-trade-talk-for-everyone"]the Knicks are trying to do this only surrendering four or five firsts.[/URL] But someone I trust told me today that they think that Danny (Ainge) was going for seven of the eight firsts.
– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/nba-trade-talk-for-everyone"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/19/23269194/5-takeaways-from-watching-the-utah-jazz-play-summer-league[/url]
[QUOTE]The Clippers probably aren’t going to be the team that gives Brantley a shot — the roster doesn’t really have room for him — but there’s still a chance the 26-year-old could land a two-way spot or an end-of-bench contract with another team.[/QUOTE]
another two way? He's better than that
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/devils-in-the-details-quick-cap-refresher-on-relevant-offseason-issues/[/url]
[QUOTE]The salary cap this year is $123.7 million and the tax threshold is set at just over $150 million. That means it’s pretty likely that the Jazz will operate as an “exceptions” team this year: staying well over the salary cap but under the tax. It’s important to know that as we ponder how other transactions might be set up. For example…
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you really have no idea since the roster is going to change a lot still
[QUOTE]Similarly, they could use Malik Beasley and Bojan Bogdanovic to acquire an almost endless combination of players. They could get two $20M players; or a $18M guy and two $10M guys, or two $15M guys, a $8M guy and a $3M guy. What they can’t do is combine their salaries and bring back a single $40M salary. That may not be the Jazz’s goal anyway from a competitive standpoint, but even if they’re just looking at ways to take on short-term salary for assets… they CAN trade the new guys in the same deal as their current vets, they just CAN’T combine their salaries to step up into a larger money tier.
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I'd keep Beasley if they think he can be a good influence on the kids
[QUOTE]That’s a long way of saying that if someone went to camp and played their way in front of Johnny Juzang or Xavier Sneed, the Jazz would still have the option of rewarding that player with the promotion to a two-way spot. They’d have to waive one of Juzang/Sneed to make it happen, but the move would be cap neutral. Juzang/Sneed would walk away with whatever portion of their salary had been guaranteed up front (or earned by the time they were cut), but that dollar figure would only matter in the Jazz’s checkbook, not on their cap sheet.
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I'm guessing Sneed will be replaced at some point
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/19/predicting-top-5-leading-scorers-jazz-2023/[/url]
[QUOTE]Assuming the Jazz don’t make any moves–which is a big ask–then [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907822/malik-beasley"]Malik Beasley[/URL] and Jordan Clarkson should both be big-time bench scorers. Beasley has not had a magnificent career, but he is a deadeye shooter with high volume and has shown he can average 15 points for a long stretch.
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why not just wait to do this article? I realize you seem to only care about the amount of content not the quality
[QUOTE]Last season, [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/conlemi01.html"]Mike Conley[/URL] averaged 13.7 points per game. With Gobert gone, that number should go up, closer to 15 a night. That being said, I highly doubt both Conley and [URL="https://www.nba.com/player/201976/patrick-beverley"]Patrick Beverly[/URL] will start the season on the roster, so whichever of them earns the starting point guard role should take this spot.
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I can't imagine either of them will be around
[QUOTE]Last season, [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3593/bojan-bogdanovic"]Bojan Bogdanovic[/URL] was the second-highest scorer on the Jazz, but this season I suspect that he might take a step back. With a more backcourt-oriented team, Bojan might be lost in the noise a bit. At age 32, he is still producing at a high level and is still in his prime, but I suspect Will Hardy will emphasize a younger core, so Bojan will be the odd man out.
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than why is he still on the team?
[QUOTE]With Gobert gone, [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkjo01.html"]Jordan Clarkson[/URL] is clearly the second-best player on the team. One of the best bench pieces in basketball, he can explode for big numbers off the bench and is a must-have down the stretch. In two and a half seasons with the Jazz, he is a 17-points-a-night kind of guy, and if Conley or Beverly needs an early breather, Clarkson can slot himself into the starting lineup.
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clearly? I'd say he's the worst player the franchise has ever had. He's certainly not btter than Bojan, Conley, Beverley, Beasley or even Gay as far as I'm concerned. One of the best bench pieces who can't shoot, is always shooting and doesn't defend. Must have! :lol
I expect them to lose most of their games but I'd like to at least enjoy the play. Clarkson isn't fun to watch
[QUOTE]In terms of bench guards, he is third in shots from the paint, third in shots made, and fourth in paint touches. Practically no one in his position does what he does, and he can do it at an elite level. He could average 20 this season if the Jazz decide he is a centerpiece.
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no one else is allowed to do what he does and I doubt he ever is again either unless him and COTM hook up again
[QUOTE]Assuming he remains on the team, the ninth-best scorer in the league should easily lead the Jazz in points for the sixth straight season. [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html"]Donovan Mitchell[/URL] is one of the most lethal scorers in the game, and it should be no shock that he comes in first on this list.
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he's gone
[QUOTE]The Heat, Knicks, and Sixers are the [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/knicks-reject-latest-utah-jazz-trade-idea-donovan-mitchell/"]primary teams listed[/URL] as possible landing spots, and if I had to make lists for those teams as well, Mitchell would come in first for all of them. He is clearly a better scorer than Jimmy Butler, RJ Barrett, and Julius Randle, and the Sixers would retool their system around Mitchell so Embiid might take a step back, even though he’s a dominant paint player.
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clearly? We'll see how his inefficient gunning goes without Gobert on the floor with him
[QUOTE]I would love to see Mitchell stay in a Jazz jersey because it means that the front office thinks the window to contend is still open. It could be, there’s no reason to shut it too fast. With Gobert gone, Mitchell can become the undisputed franchise guy and the Jazz can build around him, or they can start from scratch. Either way, Donovan Mitchell will remain an elite player and scorer and will help whoever he plays to win games.
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Gobert is gone. It's over. Mitchell just isn't that good
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/19/utah-jazz-consider-tanking-season/[/url]
[QUOTE]This is despite having players like Pat Beverly, Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdanovic, and Jordan Clarkson. All they’d do is keep the team from bottoming out so maybe the Jazz should consider pressing and holding the reset button on the roster. However, that could lead to the Jazz tanking next season, but should they?
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Clarkson might assure that you bottom out. He's that bad!
[QUOTE]Then again, with all the young additions to the roster, that might be hard to do. In that case, the Jazz might be better off leaning into a rebuild by looking to move their veterans for even more picks. Moreover, the asking price for Beverly, Bogdanovic, Conley, and Clarkson should be a first-round pick for each. They may not get that for all of them, but they could package two of those players together in a trade to take back a bad contract. That would net the Jazz more assets while helping make their own pick even worse.
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prefer the bad contract at the deadline so you can just buy them out
[QUOTE]So the higher their own pick, the better position they’ll be in, in a historic draft. Overall, while tanking might go against the Jazz culture, the team is already trending in the direction of a rebuild. Therefore, the Jazz should continue to stockpile assets by trading their remaining veterans, which should also improve their spot in next year’s loaded draft. So the Jazz should look to tank, in hopes of finding their next star.
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Gobert is gone. They are tanking. How hard we shall see
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/19/utah-jazz-need-know-jazz-signing-simone-fontecchio/[/url]
[QUOTE]It remains to be seen what his role will be for the Utah Jazz this upcoming season. At 6 foot 8 with his scoring ability and in particular his three point threat he could prove to be a valuable rotation piece on a team friendly deal. If Danny Ainge and company do decide to trade Donovan Mitchell and completely rebuild the team then fans could expect that to see Fontecchio in action throughout the season as he proves whether or not he has the skills to remain in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
his role will be as one of the young vets on a tanking team even though he's a rookie too!
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268011/Jazz-Have-Talked-Mike-Conley-Trades[/url]
[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz have engaged teams in trade talks involving Mike Conley, Tony Jones of the Athletic reported while on Spotify Live with Marc Stein. Utah doesn't seem to be finding a lot of market for the veteran point guard, however.
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not much market for anyone at the moment
[QUOTE]Conley is also coming off a bit of a down season. He's improved his shooting, but Conley's defense and playmaking have fallen off some as he's aged.
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his playmaking was fine when he wasn't spotting up while Mitchell and Clarkson played 1 on 5. Just too small defensively
[QUOTE] Keith Smith: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Naz Reid’s contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves becomes fully guaranteed for $1.9M if he’s not waived today[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA"]Twitter KeithSmithNBA[/URL]
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Have to keep him at that amount even with Gobert and Towns
[URL="https://*********.com/lists/nuggets-rumors-nikola-jokic-jamal-murray-michael-porter-jr-kentavious-caldwell-pope/"]Can we talk about how there was no drama? He signed up for five more years, ostensibly in a place where free agents don’t want to come, and he didn’t even bat an eyelash. There’s no Kevin Durant trade request. There’s no chatter about moving a guy like Donovan Mitchell on the Utah Jazz[/URL]. People around the Nuggets were pinching themselves that they were fortunate not to have to deal with some of the BS that other teams have to deal with. It’s a testament to who Joker is and the relationship they’ve built since he came over in 2015.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nuggets-rumors-nikola-jokic-jamal-murray-michael-porter-jr-kentavious-caldwell-pope/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/20/23271680/is-donovan-mitchell-really-what-the-new-york-knicks-need-utah-jazz-nba-trade-speculation[/url]
[QUOTE][h=1]Would Donovan Mitchell really be a good fit for the New York Knicks?[/h][/QUOTE]
No especially after signing Brunson but that is the beauty of James ****in' Dolan!:cheers:
[QUOTE]“In essence, he provides just about everything the Knicks hoped they might get from Kemba Walker last summer, only a hell of a lot more of it with seven fewer years of wear and tear on his body,” Devine wrote.
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he's never been as good as Kemba was carrying a bad team in Charlotte. He is younger. Have fun NY!
[QUOTE]“The ability to shoulder a massive offensive load — only (Luka) Doncic, (Trae) Young, Joel Embiid, and Giannis Antetokounmpo posted a [URL="https://stathead.com/tiny/BUUTv"]higher usage rate last season[/URL] — makes Mitchell one of the most valuable weapons in the game,” Devine wrote.
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Clarkson has a high usage too. Mitchell could average 35 a game but it's hard to imagine him carrying a team
[QUOTE]During this year’s playoffs, Mitchell rated 91st in points allowed per chance among 98 players who defended at least 30 drives, according to Second Spectrum. He was also 85th out of 92 players who guarded at least 25 off-ball screens.
“It’s [I]awfully[/I] tough to win it all if your best player is a defensive liability,” Devine wrote.
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at least they'll have Mitchell Robinson and Thibs to throw under the bus in NY when Mitchell does what he does(or doesn't)
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/20/23220774/does-tanking-actually-work-in-the-nba[/url]
[QUOTE] [h=1]Does tanking actually work in the modern NBA?[/h]
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Depends on your objective I guess. Are the Jazz likely to get another statue that has only shown up in Utah about every 10 years(Stockton and Malone back to back)? No. Are they likely to have flexibility and have a chance at something grander? Sure. The thing that is different this time is Ainge. He's certainly better than anyone they've ever had by far. He gives you hope that he's going to nail a lot of draft picks which we've never seen in Utah
[QUOTE]Yes. It probably does. Danny Ainge is intentionally clearing Utah’s roster of talented players that fit a team trying to win now and replacing them with young players and draft picks. Losing many games this season will likely be the targeted outcome, as it would raise the chances of getting a top pick in the upcoming draft. The 2023 [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba-draft"]NBA Draft[/URL] is regarded as one of the best in many years, and Utah already has three first-round selections to make in it. They could get even more, depending on future trades.
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I'd expect many more. Next draft is certainly what Danny is aiming for to accelerate the rebuild. Knicks have 3 or something next year right? Still should get some picks out of the other vets. Danny has to start having some fun at some point!
[QUOTE]When the “Grit’n’Grind” era of the Memphis Grizzlies was winding down, the Grizzlies put on Marc Gasol and Mike Conley on the trading block. While they only received a couple of first-round picks in the Conley trade and none in the Gasol trade, they also got movable assets and flexibility. They embraced a quick tank, dropped into the lottery, and wound up with the number two overall pick. With that, they selected Ja Morant. Over this time frame, they also drafted Jaren Jackson Jr, Desmond Bane, and other key players. They grew together and organically created a playoff team. Last season, Memphis finished 2nd in the Western Conference. The Grizzlies are still very young and have higher heights they can reach, but it is clear that they’re building in the right direction.
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they got bad which is the key to tanking and why they weren't able to do it for long last time when Gobert emerged unexpectedly. The Jazz picks for being bad will be the key not the picks from other teams. Jackson and Morant made you relevant especially Morant. Those players are still hard to come by no matter how much you tank. Just look at the Kings
[QUOTE]In 2018, LeBron James left the Cleveland Cavaliers for the second time. They went from the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba-finals"]NBA finals[/URL] to a 19-63 record in just one season. They had no choice but to rebuild from the ground up. Being on the bottom meant they got some top picks in the drafts. They selected Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, and others with those picks. They also packaged veteran players to acquire Jarrett Allen, another solid piece for their young core. Now they’re in their upward growth, building towards playoff contention. Mobley looks like a serious centerpiece, while Garland and Allen are arguably all-star caliber players right now. Cleveland is in the middle stages of the rebuild, going from the lottery to the playoffs. This coming season could show us a hint of just how successful the rebuild has been.
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been very successful. Jazz would be doing great to get a Mobley type player. You forgot Sexton who is comparable to Mitchell just without Gobert carrying his ass!
[QUOTE]The New Orleans Pelicans are another team who recently found themselves in the position of a star player demanding a trade. In 2019, New Orleans traded Anthony Davis to the [URL="https://www.silverscreenandroll.com"]Lakers[/URL] in exchange for a massive trade package highlighted by Brandon Ingram. Also included in the package were three first-round picks, multiple pick swaps, and other young players. In the following years, New Orleans began to rebuild and struck gold when they won the first overall pick in the lottery. With that pick, they selected Zion Williamson. Although Williamson has had trouble staying healthy, he’s looked like every bit of what was advertised when he plays. Despite his injuries, the Pelicans have grown and developed to the point of making the most recent playoffs. If they continue to grow while getting healthier, they could cause trouble in the West.
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Jazz could be in a similar position if they get the French kid who history tells us is unlikely to have a long healthy career because of his size
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/19/utah-jazz-consider-tanking-season/[/url]
they are tanking. They can try to win with Mitchell but they will lose a lot regardless. Ainge sees this and is going to fully embrace the tank. Just waiting on James ****in' Dolan!